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psujohn
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Preflop: Hero is CO with [9s], [9c]. MP3 posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG calls, UTG+1 raises, UTG calls.

Flop: (15.50 SB) [8d], [Td], [Jc] (7 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, Button calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (16.75 BB) [7c] (6 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

River: (28.75 BB) [3c] (6 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks, Button bets, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 31.75 BB

Probably should have raised or call/raised the turn but I was hoping to keep lots of people in. Didn't bet the River for fear of the flush.

Thoughts?

BTW, BB had KK, UTG+1 88.
XXEddie
Probably should have raised or call/raised the turn but I was hoping to keep lots of people in. Didn't bet the River for fear of the flush.

Really no need to be scared of it, it was runner-runner, and it was capped on the flop, i dont see that many cases of a flush here

And yeah

turn I kinda like just calling, raising almost gives away the str8, let the 2 riases keep firing at eachother

bet river
custom36
3-bet the turn. You're in great position to get a lot more BB's in. Then lead out the river.
KDawgCometh
QUOTE (XXEddie)
Probably should have raised or call/raised the turn but I was hoping to keep lots of people in. Didn't bet the River for fear of the flush.

Really no need to be scared of it, it was runner-runner, and it was capped on the flop, i dont see that many cases of a flush here

And yeah

turn I kinda like just calling, raising almost gives away the str8, let the 2 riases keep firing at eachother


bet river



this is bad advice, do you see why
XXEddie
QUOTE (KDawgCometh)
QUOTE (XXEddie)
Probably should have raised or call/raised the turn but I was hoping to keep lots of people in. Didn't bet the River for fear of the flush.

Really no need to be scared of it, it was runner-runner, and it was capped on the flop, i dont see that many cases of a flush here

And yeah

turn I kinda like just calling, raising almost gives away the str8, let the 2 riases keep firing at eachother


bet river



this is bad advice, do you see why


Id like to see you explain

Im not saying i disagree, everyone has thier own opinions, it just kinda buggs me we people do what you just did

"That advice is bad" then give no reason, im sure you have one, and a good one too, just like to hear it
Smasharoo
Cap the flop, cap the turn, check/call the river.
KDawgCometh
QUOTE (XXEddie)
QUOTE (KDawgCometh)
QUOTE (XXEddie)
Probably should have raised or call/raised the turn but I was hoping to keep lots of people in. Didn't bet the River for fear of the flush.

Really no need to be scared of it, it was runner-runner, and it was capped on the flop, i dont see that many cases of a flush here

And yeah

turn I kinda like just calling, raising almost gives away the str8, let the 2 riases keep firing at eachother


bet river



this is bad advice, do you see why


Id like to see you explain

Im not saying i disagree, everyone has thier own opinions, it just kinda buggs me we people do what you just did

"That advice is bad" then give no reason, im sure you have one, and a good one too, just like to hear it


yes, I do have a reason, and it is good, I just want to hear your line of thinking before I give it. I don't want to give it out before you try to relaize why its wrong first, ya know
XXEddie
I just thought rasing the turn would slow down pretty much everyone w/o a 9, If i was in this hand now re-thinking it, I woulda 3 bet it once the button raised

and again, no need to be scared of back door flush on this hand, bet river
KDawgCometh
QUOTE (XXEddie)
I just thought rasing the turn would slow down pretty much everyone w/o a 9, If i was in this hand now re-thinking it, I woulda 3 bet it once the button raised

and again, no need to be scared of back door flush on this hand, bet river



you're dong a good job of ignoring the diamond draw that people could very well be drawing to. plus, I would be concious of the backdoor draw since people who are gong for it are priced in. YOu need to protect your hand in this massive pot by doing lots of raising, you don't want to keep people in, you want to maximize your chances of winning the pot
XXEddie
QUOTE (KDawgCometh)
QUOTE (XXEddie)
I just thought rasing the turn would slow down pretty much everyone w/o a 9, If i was in this hand now re-thinking it, I woulda 3 bet it once the button raised

and again, no need to be scared of back door flush on this hand, bet river



you're dong a good job of ignoring the diamond draw that people could very well be drawing to. plus, I would be concious of the backdoor draw since people who are gong for it are priced in. YOu need to protect your hand in this massive pot by doing lots of raising, you don't want to keep people in, you want to maximize your chances of winning the pot


good point
idiotbocs
I like the way you played it.

Street by street.
TheIceman05
QUOTE (KDawgCometh)
QUOTE (XXEddie)
I just thought rasing the turn would slow down pretty much everyone w/o a 9, If i was in this hand now re-thinking it, I woulda 3 bet it once the button raised

and again, no need to be scared of back door flush on this hand, bet river



you're dong a good job of ignoring the diamond draw that people could very well be drawing to. plus, I would be concious of the backdoor draw since people who are gong for it are priced in. YOu need to protect your hand in this massive pot by doing lots of raising, you don't want to keep people in, you want to maximize your chances of winning the pot


I don't understand this line of reasoning. Based on the action, how does raising the turn protect your hand? At all?

There are 17 bets in before turn action begins. If UTG magically tossed in 4 bets (and then stole one, while nobody was looking) a diamond draw would STILL be able to cold-call in his sleep here.

And I disagree that our concern here is "maximizing our chances of winning the pot." We're trying to make the pot as big as we can make it w/o hurting our chances of losing the pot. There's a slight difference. I think.

Ice
XXEddie
QUOTE (TheIceman05)
QUOTE (KDawgCometh)
QUOTE (XXEddie)
I just thought rasing the turn would slow down pretty much everyone w/o a 9, If i was in this hand now re-thinking it, I woulda 3 bet it once the button raised

and again, no need to be scared of back door flush on this hand, bet river



you're dong a good job of ignoring the diamond draw that people could very well be drawing to. plus, I would be concious of the backdoor draw since people who are gong for it are priced in. YOu need to protect your hand in this massive pot by doing lots of raising, you don't want to keep people in, you want to maximize your chances of winning the pot


I don't understand this line of reasoning. Based on the action, how does raising the turn protect your hand? At all?

There are 17 bets in before turn action begins. If UTG magically tossed in 4 bets (and then stole one, while nobody was looking) a diamond draw would STILL be able to cold-call in his sleep here.

And I disagree that our concern here is "maximizing our chances of winning the pot." We're trying to make the pot as big as we can make it w/o hurting our chances of losing the pot. There's a slight difference. I think.

Ice


Yeah i dont think many people would fold if OP raised the turn, but If he did, the chaser(s) would of called probably, and the 70%-ish time where the board doesnt pair and diamonds dont come, youre going to win a bigger pot.

....right?
CobaltBlue
The check/call on the turn is reasonable, I guess...but you gotta 3-bet it when it gets back to you.
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