Most of you know I am a new player playing mostly online for about the last 10 months.

My question is this, What exactly constitutes a tight player?

It seems to me that the only way to know this is to know what the percentage of hands someone plays over the course of maybe 1,000 hands. So for example if I played 200 hands out of 1,000 (20%) would that be condsidered tight?

If someone was not loose or tight but normal what would their percentage of hands played be?

How about loose players? Do they play like 50% of the hands they are dealt or what?

I hear these terms thrown around often and the few people I have asked have given basically no answer of any substance which indicates to me that they might not really know themselves.

All feedback would be greatly appreciated.

I'd say that around 25% or less of flops seen would constitute someone as a tight "pre-flop" player, but an all-around tight player, or a rock, is someone who only likes to play after the flop if he has the nuts or is very strong. You can play tight before the flop and then get married to your good "starting" hands and still not be a profittable player. On the other hand, if you only play the nuts then you will find people catching on to this and you will win small pots for the most part(at least in NL) or will get bullied out of a lot of hands where you were the winner.

BTW, do you play at any clubs or home games in Dallas. If you need some places let me know.

1000 hands is too small a sample size. 10,000 hands is preferable

Tight is a general and over used term basically saying a players preflop %. How many times they enter a pot preflop meaning they have a large number of starting hands.

It is difficult to define tight to a percentage % as you would have to watch a considerable amt of hands to be sure. Check out twoplustwo.com and their forum for lots of math information.

(but be precise when posting or you'll be flamed)

I for one can say my average fluctuates from 20%-35% easily daily but I dont think of myself as a loose or tight player.

By the way I dont think any player (unless you are an extremely skilled player against weak ones) could over 10,000 play half of them and be profitable. (but i've tried :wink: just kidding)

just in case you thought i was being sarcastic

twoplustwo.com is a website run by Mason Mulmuth and David Sklansky with considerable depth of knowledgeable poker players

Playing tight isn't just about starting hands. It's about post-flop play, too. If you don't have anything you fold, that's playing tight. AK, you have something before the flop, but if you miss, and there is action, it's time to fold.

Folding when you miss, is playing tight.

Hey wrto,

Do you play like a Jew when picking your starting hands also? I believe that we tend to favor big cards and try to steer clear of suited connectors.

lol....yes we do

I actually like suited connectors, especiall in No-Limit. I play tight post-flop. And only play suited connectors if the pot odds and implied odds are there. They can win some big pots. But big cards are truely where the money is.

You obviously didn't get my joke. You must be Polish.

Tight/Loose pertains to the types of hands you will see a flop with.

Passive/Agressive pertains to your betting.

Tight Passive = Rock
Loose Passive = Live One or Fish
Loose Aggressive = Maniac
Tight Aggressive = A good poker player

So to answer your questions...

You are tight if you wait for good cards and good pot odds to participate in a hand.

Thats it...

Obviously I didn't. = /

lol

Thats not tight... thats passive.

If I raise before the flop, I will contue the lead. If I think my and is good, I will raise. If I miss the flop completely, why would I stay in?

I'm not sure what your trying to ask me...

The point i was trying to make was that "tight" is ONLY about starting hands.

betting, calling, folding, raising, re-raising, has nothing to do with "tight" or "loose."

The terms passive and aggressive are defined by those actions.

You make a point, but if I had AK and followed it to the river, no matter what, wouldn't I be considered loose?

Well yeah you would... but that is still hand selection.

Maybe you are tight pre-flop so you wait for the AK.
But if you are going to go all the way to the river without hitting... then you are loose post flop.

So yeah I get your point now... loose/tight does pertain to postflop play, BUT it still only relates to Hand Selection.

You're contradicting yourself. :-)

Semi-loose, maybe. Meaning tight pre-flop, but loose post-flop.

He's referring to your post over here
http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...opic.php?t=1747
where you say you are a jew when it comes to money. you offended a number of people by your prejudiced remark.

it's ironic that daniel just wrote an ariticle showing respect to the asian poker community, meanwhile one of his forum moderators is making sweeping generalizations of a nationality.

Ain't it Ironic?

By the way I forgot to mention that most of my play is 18 player or more tournaments. I am sure that in cash games I would play more hands.

My problem is I am trying to define the player that I am as well as the player that I would like to be.

I am not sure what I am because I have been called many different things.

Most of the time I enter a pot I raise and try to avoid limping. I will limp with small pairs hoping to hit my set but in most cases with other hands outside of small/mid pairs I opt to raise.

My hands that are mostly my starting hands from all positions are...

From any position-

AA AK AQ AJ
KK
QQ
JJ
TT
99
88
77
66
55
44
33
22

From the button to middle position I will play typically-

All suited connectors from 6 7 up as well as all one gap suited connectors from 6 8 up. In addition to this I will play most paint combinations, connectors from 6 7 and up from mid to late position.

I stay away from A rag King rag, stuff like Q5 etc.

In first and early position I only play premium hands.

I hate to look at it from an I saw the flop stand point because often times I might raise pre-flop and everyone folds so it seems to me that should count since I was willing to see the flop but noone would play with me.

On Stars sometimes my stats say that I am seeing the flop less than 20% of the time. Most of the time it is between 20-25% of the time. However this doesn't factor in the times that I raised and everyone else folded. It only gives me stats on how many times I saw the flop. I really want to be known as a player that will really mix it up and doesn't just sit and wait for a hand but at the same time I know that the chances of me winning on a regular basis playing like Gus Hansen aren't too good.

I think that I am more than likely entering the pot about 25% or a little more of the time weather I see the flop or everyone folds to my raise.

So based on this info do you guys think that am I tight, loose, or somewhere in between?

Thanks for all the past and future info.

I will say that, relative to most players at your typical low limit online table, I am pretty tight.

However, it is a relative term, and how tight you should play depends in part on the texture of the game.

As has been said, tight generally refers to the sort of hands you will play. It refers to post-flop as well, but usually someone is talking about pre-flop hand selection. As a percentage of flops, it depends on the game. In a passive game with few pre-flop raises where you are frequently going to play hands out of the blinds, a tight player might see 30% of the hands. In a more aggressive game with lots of pre-flop raises, that percentage could be under 20%.

While I consider myself a "tight" player, I also don't know where the notion came that you have to play "tight" to win. Is Daniel N. a "tight" player? Gus Hansen? Phil Ivey? For a person just learning, yeah tight is right, but its hardly the only way to play.

why does everyone say jews are cheap? Jews are some of the biggest donors in anything from education to war. God some people are ignorant pigs

Thank you....Anybody heard of Barry Greenstein???

It's just an expression. Don't be a cry baby.

Like, I gamble and drink because i'm native american. pfffff. who cares?
If sterotypes weren't true, they wouldn't exist.

In college, when I forgot to study for an exam in calc., i'de sit next to an asian person. 90% they studied, and I would atleast make a B.

Don't take it personal.

It's like you made one comment that made you sound like an idiot, but you just weren't satisfied until you had shown yourself to be a total buffoon.

Have you even read the Forum Agreement you are supposed to moderate?

You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws.

I'm pretty sure racism falls into a few of those categories.

You are an idiot to believe that crap, and you are more of an idiot to preach it on here.

That's not very nice. :-)

I don't want to get on a race issue, becuase I know I would make alot of people mad. Pardon me if I offended anyone.

wonder who????

not really. In limit games (at least 5/10-8-16) when I am dealt AK I'm gonna raise preflop and continue to bet the hand, and usually bet all the way to the river. The reason why is i always have overcards. There are exceptions of course. If someone makes a good hand they will let me know before showdown (and usually let me know before the flop), and if I hit my Ace i can check like i am scared of the ace because i represent kk and then raise. Usually people call all the way to the end and fold at the river. Bad players are usually trying to catch a second pair or trips, but almost always fold to a river bet. This style is very profitable if you can recognize the exceptions and when to stop semi-bluffing. The key to this type of play is playing tight pre-flop, but taking over after the flop. I usually take a pretty nice pot 3/4 of the time and lose to a slow playing hand or an outdraw 1/4 of the time.

Yes really. It's not smart to chase overcards. You only have 6 outs.

I am not chasing, I am Semi-Bluffing. There is a big difference. I am not simply check-calling or calling when it comes to me. I am opening the bet and raising the bet. This is the advantage of pre-flop tightness and voluntarily putting money in the pot pre-flop less than 20% of the time, not 20%-25%.

So to answer your question again, Not Really! This is the difference between Tight Aggressive and Tight Passive.

passive is callng alot of bets, thats definitley not a rock. a rock would tight/conservative... and just because you are a tight aggressive player does not mean that you are good.

My opinion just based on what you have listed for startng hands is that you are somewhat loose. on a scale from 1-10 (10 being "any 2 will do) I would say you are a 6.5

=-)

A tight player is the one who doesn't understand the chapter on implied odds :eh:

Read Doyle Brunson's Super System as he defines the true meaning of a "tight" player.

you are the one who brought race and ethnicity into the discussion in
the first place.

then you deleted the whole thread???

Is this how a Moderator is supposed to act?


I Am referring to your post over here

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...opic.php?t=1747

But that whole thread has been removed




Please give us a reason for deleting the whole thread?
why didnt you just remove your ignorant comments and be done with it?

Peace
Wwonka

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