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RISEorFall
Preflop: Bomb Droppin BadAss is UTG with [9c], [9d].
Bomb Droppin BadAss calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Bomb Droppin BadAss calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (11.40 SB) [9s], [9h], [7c] (5 players)
BB bets, BB folds, Bomb Droppin BadAss calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (10.20 BB) [Jd] (3 players)
Bomb Droppin BadAss checks, MP1 checks, CO bets, Bomb Droppin BadAss calls, CO calls.

River: (22.20 BB) [Qc] (2 players)
Bomb Droppin BadAss checks, CO checks, Button bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 34.20 BB

Ok so well I got all the $$ in i could, but i actually did have a question or two about this hand. Should I have raised PF? I wasn't really sure if 99 was strong enough UTG, and I hadn't been doing so hot the past couple hours, so I limped in.

Should I have started to wake up on the turn to make sure CO doesnt just call and I get more $$ in? She went ahead and raised anyway but I was worried he wouldnt and i was pretty sure Button was in for a cap.

Or is this stuff too trivial to even matter?
idiotbocs
yeah, raise preflop.

post flop is perfect. Everyone didn't even have to raise until the river.
Rocketwadster
My personal preference is to not raise UTG with nines, but to limp with them, at a full table. Any less than 8 players, its a raise for me. Tens yes, nines no. That's just me though. :wink:
JaysonWeber
QUOTE (Rocketwadster)
My personal preference is to not raise UTG with nines, but to limp with them, at a full table. Any less than 8 players, its a raise for me. Tens yes, nines no. That's just me though. :wink:


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Why is this? Just Curious is all.
Rocketwadster
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Why is this? Just Curious is all.


With a full table, nines just dont have the mustard in my experience to be raising UTG. I'll gladly limp in with them and then call a raise if said raise occurs after me. With the number of possible overcards ratio'd to the number of undercards, they are my personal cut-off. If they don't improve or are subjected to at least 2 overcards after the flop, i'm usually done with them. This is Limit though in case that makes a different in some peoples eyes (I don't play NL very much).
:wink:
JaysonWeber
I never used to raise w/ 9's UTG but the only reason I did is it's profitable in the long run, or so I hear wink.gif

But it also adds another hand you can raise profitably with so for the players that are paying attention, it gives them a little wider range they have too put you on.

I believe raising 99 UTG is correct in almost any scenario in LHE... But that's an extremely extremely blanket statement.
Smasharoo

I believe raising 99 UTG is correct in almost any scenario in LHE... But that's an extremely extremely blanket statement.


Eh...not so great in games where limp-reraising is real common.
Rocketwadster
QUOTE (JaysonWeber)
I never used to raise w/ 9's UTG but the only reason I did is it's profitable in the long run, or so I hear wink.gif

But it also adds another hand you can raise profitably with so for the players that are paying attention, it gives them a little wider range they have too put you on.

I believe raising 99 UTG is correct in almost any scenario in LHE... But that's an extremely extremely blanket statement.


THe problem I see though is that I play at limits much lower than you, so in theory there are far less players "paying attention" and all that jazz. I agree that many of the theorists advise that 9's UTG is a raise, I just can't bring myself to do it. :wink:
Smasharoo

I agree that many of the theorists advise that 9's UTG is a raise, I just can't bring myself to do it


Don't feel bad. I don't raise TT in really lose games full of cold callers.
Rocketwadster
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I agree that many of the theorists advise that 9's UTG is a raise, I just can't bring myself to do it

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Don't feel bad.  I don't raise TT in really lose games full of cold callers.


Glad to hear that I am not the only one that doesn't always follow the masterminds. The low-dollar Limit Hold-em games have plenty of exactly those types of players. :wink:
JaysonWeber
I think 99 and TT in any real low games is kinda whatever you feel like doing because donkeys draw and that's just a fact.

I look for too many places too raise though, so RAISE.
idiotbocs
99 and TT with alot of donks has a large equity edge. Not raising would be goofy.
Smasharoo
I didn't say I was right.

It's just easier.

I like easy. Poker is easy now. I try not to make it hard unless there's a good reason.

Like someone might fold or something.

Do you have an equity edge with 99 in a game where 4 people call two cold? Almost certainly. Does the raise have value? Yes.

I still don't raise it.

In a worse (tougher) game it's an easy raise.

I raise it in 5/10 UTG. But I raise 77 in 5/10 UTG too.
idiotbocs
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JaysonWeber
QUOTE (idiotbocs)
99 and TT with alot of donks has a large equity edge. Not raising would be goofy.


Funniest part is, I knew this and still never raised it until like 3 months ago... No idea why sad.gif Oh well, it's more fun now.
Smasharoo

99 and TT with alot of donks has a large equity edge. Not raising would be goofy.


Eh.

So does K4s.

I'm not raising that either.
idiotbocs
K4s has a whopping 2% equity edge. This, smash, is where you pass up on a small edge now(preflop) to expliot a larger edge later(post-flop). But im sure you already knew that. Im serious.
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