Read on MP3 calls down a lot with medicore hands, hadn't sen him raise yet..

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with [Ah], [Kc]. MP2 posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) [As], [3s], [6s] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) [5d] (2 players)
Hero bets, Hero calls.

River: (10.25 BB) [Kd] (2 players)

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

Converter missed..River Kd..i bet and call r/r..i'm all in...(bought in for $6)


Next Hand..same BB as last hand's Mp3 guy (these are not in order btw)
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Preflop: Hero is Button with [Kc], [8c].
2 folds, BB calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) [2d], [4h], [Kh] (4 players)
BB bets, MP1 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5 BB) [9s] (3 players)
BB Bets, Hero Rasies, BB calls (all in)

River: (5 BB) [Jd] (3 players)

Final Pot: 5 BB



This is 1st hand I sat in, posted from CO

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Preflop: Hero is CO with [Ah], [9d]. Hero posts a blind of $0.5.
4 folds, Hero (poster) checks, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) [9h], [Js], [Qs] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) [4h] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (3.50 BB) [5c] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button folds, BB calls.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB


UTG+1 playing most hands to river..won one bog pot...otherwise bust

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Preflop: Hero is CO with [Qd], [Kc].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds, Hero calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) [Jd], [3c], [Td] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG folds.

Turn: (4.50 BB) [9h] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (7.50 BB) [Kh] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB



one more..thanks if you've read this far!

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with [As], [Qc]. CO posts a blind of $0.5.
4 folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) [Jc], [3h], [4h] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) [Kd] (2 players)
Hero bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6.75 BB


As I said earlier, this is practically the 1st time I've sat at a LHE table. I left after taking $6 to $10.74 (twice :-) ) I must say, I enjoyed it, but have much to learn..so be crtical! I'm looking forward to Smash putting me over his knee..or telling me to buy a sledgehammer..or something...anything to get better and make more $$$

I could offer self-critism but that might expose more ignorance.

thanks.

post hands individually as you will get better responses and don't have less than 12bb's at the table

makes sense. can cap all streets.
I just feared I would suck too much...nah..i know what you're saying.

I posted all hands together so as to not open 5 topics, and hopefully some folks will pick one or two out to critique. If I knew more, I'd post the one/two that are most educational; however, to me, I could learn from any of them.

thank you for the advice though..next time, I may sit with 12bb....

On the first hand 3 bet the flop. Of course sit with at least 12 bb at the table. Post them individually so its easier to read. I didnt read the other hands.

1st hand: Be more aggressive.

2nd hand: Your kicker sucks. What do you put BB on? Might've raised the flop.

3rd hand: Might've raised pre-flop. Played okay after that. Did you feel your opponents would fold jacks on the river or call with a worse hand?

4th hand: Feel like you've got to 3-bet this river.

5th hand: Standard.

Please do separate these next time...but...



Ok, overall not too bad for a first timer, but you have to bring 25-30 dollars to one of these tables! No excuses, don't buyin with a short-stack! Deposit more money if you have to, just do it. I think you have most of the basics down, but you're way too passive of a player. Agression, agression, agression. Read Small Stakes Holdem by Sklansky, Malmuth, and Miller. I think you'll be glad that you did

justblaze, on the hand where you said check/fold the river on the QJ9 flop, your reasoning was that a worse hand won't call you.

You're probably right about no worse hand calling you most of the time. But if you bet, you might get a weak to mediocre J to fold, which you'd like to do, really.

the problem is the pot just isnt big enough (because he didnt raise PF). Once you limp into this pot you've lost it. I would checking it down, and probably folding to any bet. You just dont want to put chips into this pot. Its easy to be dominated.

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Next Hand..same BB as last hand's Mp3 guy  (these are not in order btw)
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Preflop: Hero is Button with [Kc], [8c].    
2 folds, BB calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

This is OK, I guess.  I'd have folded but this is $.50/1.

what? this is the worst of his three options.

I meant that initially I wouldn't have put any money in the pot at all with K8s.  Once you're in there and you get raised, call.  But the moral of the story is don't put money in preflop here at all.

Flop: (8 SB) [2d], [4h], [Kh] (4 players)
BB bets, MP1 folds, Hero calls.

Raise or fold.  Your kicker sucks so you need to know where you are.

Turn: (5 BB) [9s] (3 players)
BB Bets,  Hero Rasies, BB calls (all in)

If you folded on the flop, this isn't an issue.  If you raised, you know more.  If the BB just called your flop raise, you bet here.

River: (5 BB) [Jd] (3 players)

Checking down would be a good idea if your opponent had any money.

Final Pot: 5 BB



This is 1st hand I sat in, posted from CO

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Preflop: Hero is CO with [Ah], [9d].  Hero posts a blind of $0.5.    
4 folds, Hero (poster) checks, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Raise. You're first in from the CO with A9o.

Flop: (4 SB) [9h], [Js], [Qs] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

This is fine.

against 3 random hands its better than 50% that hes behind here.

Well, let's find out.  We know a little more and the field is probably thinner if he'd have raised preflop like he should have.

Turn: (3.50 BB) [4h] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

WTF are you checking for?  There's now not 1, but 2 flush draws, and the straight draw, and you just gave all of them a free card.  Bet and fold to a raise.  You can check down the river if you still aren't sure your 9 is good (which it very well may not be) and you don't improve.

because raising is a chip spew. Forget the flush draws, he has third pair with a possible made straight out there.

We're not raising anybody.  We're betting and folding to a raise.

River: (3.50 BB) [5c] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button folds, BB calls.

This is OK, if you bet the turn like you should have.

not really. He wants to check here, hoping to induce a bluff from a missed flush.

I disagree.  With the action on the hand he's not likely to get a bluff from these players, I think.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB


UTG+1 playing most hands to river..won one bog pot...otherwise bust

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Preflop: Hero is CO with [Qd], [Kc].    
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds, Hero calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

I might raise here against a UTG+1 like you describe.  Check is OK, but the raise might/probably will get you the button and get rid of at least the SB.

check is terrible. MUST RAISE.

Flop: (6 SB) [Jd], [3c], [Td] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG folds.

Raise this all day long.  You a) want to build a pot and might/probably get a free look at the river if you don't hit the turn.

clearly call. You have 3 live players behind you, why on earth would you want to scare them off?

It's the flop and this is $.50/1.  They'll call 2 if they'll call 1.  I don't have a made hand, either, so I want a free card to actually make my hand and drag a pot, rather than worry about building a pot for somebody else.

Turn: (4.50 BB) [9h] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Why the smooth call here?  I'm popping it.

River: (7.50 BB) [Kh] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

This is the action I'd expect to see if you raise the turn.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

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great to see the discussion..

Whoever said utg+1 was holding on to two-pair on the KQ hand that str8'ed...dead on bro.
I smoohth called the turn to keep both in for 2 bets on the river...perhaps you're saying I could get them both rounds...


I clearly see I shoul've 3-bet the flop with AK on an A flop.

On the A9 hand, me in cutoff...
I bet the flop "to see where bottom pair stood"
No raise, but all called.
So I check turn thinking "someone will bet out if the have a Q"
No one di, so I bet River, hoping to fool any one with a J or weak Q maybe.
Q2 from the BB took it down.
Had I raised pf...this may not have happened...he may have folded pf.

Raise that PF and BB should fold. He might or might not, of course, but give him the opportunity.

You might get him to fold on the turn or river thinking you have a bigger Q (hard to imagine with that big deuce kicker, I know) if you bet the flop, turn, and river there, but if he calls the turn, an argument could be made for checking down the river since he's called the whole way anyway.

Hand 1:

Preflop: Fine.

Flop: Not three-betting is very, very bad. If you get capped, then it's time to slow down. But not bloody well until. These are half bets, remember... and the chance to show aggression for cheap is important.

Turn: If you three-bet the flop or it gets capped, I think this is fine.

River: Since you were all-in you didn't much have a choice. I personally think it's annoying when people buy in for less than 25BB, and VERY annoying and counter-intuitive if anyone buys in for less than 12 BB.

I think the line I like best with this hand is:

Preflop: jam it.
Flop: jam it.
Turn: bet/call
River: bet/call.

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Hand 2:

Preflop: I agree that calling is the worst of the 3 options. I think I lean towards folding before raising though, because of the MP limp. And, I'm just not big into getting involved with stupid pots with K-X suited. I hate K-X suited. If I played this though, I definitely would have raised my button, and called a 3 bet if SB 3-bet me.

Flop: Not raising the flop is significantly bad. Not kind of bad... significantly bad. I'm not trying to be mean, but there are close decisions in poker and not close decisions, and this isn't close.

Turn: I can't give good advice from here on since you didn't raise the flop. What the bettor did (or didn't do) when you raise the flop matters that much here.

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Hand 3:

Preflop: I think limping cost you this pot (if you in fact lost it). If you raise, you have a ton more fold equity working for you betting this flop. It's not unreasonable to assume A9 is ahead for all the folds, and your position might get the button to fold.

Flop: Nice bet... but notice how much more powerful it appears to your opponents if you'd raised preflop and THEN got to make a bet in position.

Turn: In the face of passive play, I'd definitely continue to bet. Fold equity and not giving free cards are the biggest reason. And if you're playing with the fear of monsters under the bed (flopped straight, villains playing way big hands) then just remember they're saving you money by playing their hands incorrectly.

River: This is the bet that should have gone in on the turn. Draws missed, and it reeks of a weak bet. I imagine you got called down by a fish with a jack [if you posted results I didn't see them, promise], but can you really blame him for calling that river here?

If you did get called down by a jack, notice he should have had two very good opportunities to fold to you: for the preflop raise, and for a flop bet checked to you because you raised preflop.

Raise A9 from the cutoff when nobody enters the pot in front of you. I personally would fold it for one limper from the cutoff though.

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Hand 4:

Preflop: Again... this is a significantly bad limp. To paraphrase smash, "Raise KQ if you're the first person to raise it, and fold it if it's 2 cold to you." I've used that with good success... but for your position this is a raise all day.

Flop: This is a very thought provoking street. The advantage to raising is the free card play, but you'd isolate everyone out. I think if you'd raised preflop, you should probably raise this flop... because it's not horrendously bad if you got 3-bet on the way back with all your outs to top pair or the straight. I definitely lean towards raising (because I don't like the flush draw, and if the straight doesn't get there I might rely more heavily on fold equity and overcard outs).

Turn: Nuts good. Ram it and jam it. Not raising here is definitely very bad... especially with the flush draw. 9 cards can absolutely destroy your hand.

River: I think this is an easy cap right here.

I'll explain it like a logic proof... and if you're an actuary, I hope you dig it (: Think of it this way: the nuts are AQ. We have KQ, and any queen is the 2nd nuts. The flush draw missed. Therefore, we're ahead of any two pair or set possibility. To use a math symbol... we're only losing this pot I.F.F. somebody has AQ.

Then think deductively. If somebody HAD AQ, they would have raised preflop. Since nobody raised preflop, it is a logical assumption that most likely, nobody has AQ. If nobody has AQ, then the second nuts become the best possible hand. Therefore, we hold the nuts.

The person raising us either has a Q, or he hit the king in another way. Either way, it's binomial: Villain either does or does not have a Q. I am of the opinion that capping this here is more than profitable enough to catch someone making a mistake to overcome the increased rake for a split.

So jam the river too here.

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As always, these are just my opinions, and I'm capable of being wrong. Feel free to disagree. Just my humble $.02.

Hand 5:

I actually think you played this perfectly. Definitely a good raise preflop, and definitely a good autobet on the flop.

By the turn, I still think it's a good autobet being first in the pot, and a good fold because the pot is small.

So there ya go.

just don't bddy list me yet guys... :-)

I see a big weakness of mine is not appreciating the cheaper streets and the information/aggression that can be gained/utilized here.
Playing only NLHE, certainly has played a huge part in butchering this concept.

Going in with 6BB..of course that's idiotic. I was feeling frisky having just placed 1 or 2 in 4 consecutive SnG's, but didn't want to go to bed on a big down note. I guess there is no "Short Stack for Limit" strategy [sw]

stacks are pretty much irrelevant. And i cant tell you how many times ive 3 bet the flop, and forced a big hand to slow down, and been killed. But as the guy is laughing away at me, he doesnt realize that i saved myself a big bet by 3 betting the flop. Those are the kinds of things that add up and make a break-even player into a winning one.

Word to your mother.

Slash, ever heard of the Rule of Seven? I highly suggest you read about it - its fascinating:

http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.gambling...12299e1b8c73eec

and an interesting discussion on it:

http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.gambling...7a6e9bb259a7bbe

enjoy.

I've not heard of it. Don't have time to check it out now, the afternoon just got super busy at work and I have to catch a flight. Are you being serious or is this some sort of jab?

no, im dead serious. its a theory/proof of the value of early street aggression with marginal hands. Its particularily applicable to headsup play but you can see some parallels in 3 or 4 way pots. The first time you read it you will probably scratch your head, but keep going back to it and eventually it will click.