Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: siraggrosexy is BB with 9:spade:, 7:spade:. CO posts a blind of $3.
5 folds, SB calls, siraggrosexy calls, CO calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 6:spade:, T:club:, K:spade: (5 players)
SB checks, siraggrosexy checks, CO bets, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) 5:spade: (4 players)
siraggrosexy bets, CO calls, Button calls.

River: (13.50 BB) 7:diamond: (4 players)
siraggrosexy bets, CO folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB


what do y'all think about me play on dis hand here[/u]

I probably wouldn't have capped. The rest of it looks good.

No good cap, Nice hand... My Favorite Hand 7-9 s0000000ted.

what are my reasons for capping, what are my reasons for calling.

I haven't had that many interesting hands lately, so this is the best I have.

plz shut up

I play it the same. Even though the 3-bettor probably has decent redraws, you probably have 35% equity or better since you've got a gutshot with your flush draw.

what about calling the 3bet on the flop and check/raising the turn?

I'd cap that flop with the inside draw and the flush draw.

I think you have to put the money in when you have an equity edge, which you do on the flop.

The alternative would be to check/raise turn if you hit, and check/call if you don't.

And if you miss the turn and hit the river, you can check/raise there.

The EV of capping the flop is about 2/3 of a SB. If you check/raise succesfully, it's worth about 2 BB. So the C/R attempt needs to be sucessful about 1/6th of the time for it to be better than capping the flop. Is this math right?

If so, maybe going for the C/R isn't a bad idea.

12 outs on the flop = 45% to hit. Plenty of equity to cap the flop. If you wait and try to get fancy after hitting the turn or river, one or both opponents might check-fold, in which case you'd regret not having capped the flop.

The only reason I can think of not to cap would be if there was a strong possibility that you were up against a better flush draw (say, if you could not put button on much of anything other than a high flush draw after his PF raise and flop calls). But that would require a pretty strong read.

I seriously doubt with all that action on the flop that both of them are check/folding the turn.

Ok so cap the flop, why not check/raise the turn?

This way if you hit the turn you get an extra big bet out of the button.

Yes I believe the math is correct.

Bingo. That's why I'm not capping the flop. Call the 3-bet and check/raise the turn. If you cap and then check, there's a good chance he's checking behind you.

I don't like check-raising the flop. This is why:

You're out of position against an aggressive player who seems to have a good holding. You're not going to get a free river if you need/want one.

You can create odds to draw without putting in 4 small bets on the flop on a draw (albeit a good one). You've got 13 outs twice.

I'd play it like this:

Preflop: same as you did. 4BB in at that point.

Bet the flop. You'll get raised by CO. Button will probably call 2 cold and SB will probably fold. You call the second bet. Now you're at 7BB in the pot. More than enough to call the turn if you don't hit it.

Check the turn. If it were live, you could check dark, because you're not betting out either way. Here you hit, so, you check, CO bets, Button calls, you raise. If they both call, that's 6 more BB in the pot. CO might 3 bet. 50/50 then that Button will drop. If he does you cap and get 8 more BB in on the turn instead of 6. So you either have 13 or 15 BB in the pot going to the river.

Bet out the river unless something super-scary comes out AND you have a great read on CO's hand and think it beats your flush. I think he's on AK or QQ or JJ. I'm not sure what Button is on, maybe a pair and the A of spades, but I think that's a little generous. Maybe more like QJ.

Assuming Button folds on the river, you're at 15 or 17 BB. If he shows down, great.

This way, you're dragging a bigger pot when you hit and saving 2 BB when you don't.

You're missing the point of the raise, methinks. Try reading this:
http://jaysonweber.com/articles/lamell-gambling2.php

IMO, capping is great if it would convince him to check behind on the turn, although I'm not sure that it will. Then you may get a free card when you miss the turn. CO could be betting a drawing hand like QJ, in which case he would check behind on the turn regardless. Even if he's not, the flush card may scare him into a check, or scare the button into a fold.

I'm not sure whether or not it's better to just bet the turn when you hit, or go for a c/r, but I'm pretty sure capping the flop is the right play.

Or..... You check the turn and it's checked around, since CO was just on a straight draw with AQ anyway (and now he's scared of a flush). He is thinking to himself "sweet, the free card play worked, what a donk). Then you bet on the river to try and recoup some of your FPS losses and they fold anyway, and you take a 7 BB pot instead of 14.

Also, your math is a little wrong, and what on earth makes you think CO is going to 3bet your c/r on the turn? He didn't raise the turn in this example. He obviously isn't feeling great about his hand. Anyway, let's do some math.

You put in 2 sb preflop. (4 BB pot going to flop)
You put in 2 sb on the flop. (7 BB pot after flop)
You put in 2 bb on the turn (let's assume both called). (13 BB pot)
You put in nothing on the river as they folded to your bet.

First, the way he played it:
13.5 BB pot - 4BB put in = 9.5 BB profit

The way you play it:
13 BB pot - 4BB put in = 9 BB profit


Gee, your method not only is riskier as it could just get checked behind you on the turn, but it makes less money even when it goes perfectly.

I think you're not taking into account that I'm not C/Ring the flop and getting it capped. That is what slowed CO down, IMO. A bet and call of his flop raise gives him reason to bet it again to guard against a hand like a pair with a high spade. If he's real aggressive or flopped a set of Kings, or has Aces, he might 3 bet. If you just call the raise on your flop bet, there's less information out there for him to be scared of, maybe he thinks you were betting a weak K or a big T hoping to take it on the flop. If you bet and call a raise on the flop, he's betting the turn and then you get your checkraise in. You risk giving a free card, yes, but that's assuming he has a hand that would want a free card, which you don't know if you're playing it my way. And when you checkraise, you always risk giving a free card.

You're right, the flop play did slow him down, but a c/r when the 3rd spade hit is going to slow him down too. Hell, that might make him or button fold. Face it, he isn't going to 3bet the turn in this situation, if he even bets it at all (more likely that he bets). You lose anywhere between .5 and 6.5 BB by playing it this way, probably either .5 or 1.5.

Also, I think there was some confusion earlier. We don't c/r and cap the flop to try to get a free card (though that is a side effect many times), we do it because of our massive equity. If we miss and have to pay 1 BB on the turn, oh well. We got 12 SB into the pot on the flop (put in 4) and on average, 5.4 of it is coming back to us.