This guy had my number all day. Calling with crap (queen 8, queen 7, etc) and baeting my quality hands EVERY TIME. How do you compensate for playing against someone who plays any two cards, regardless of the pre-flop action?

Sorry - Absolut enot working with converter for some reason. I have cleaned up a bit:


Hand 1:
Stage #143573970: Holdem Normal $0.50/$1
ROCKETWAD - Pocket [Qc,As] (MP+1)
ROCKETWAD - Raises $0.50 to $1
3DRAGONS_FL - Calls $1 (CO)
BIG BEAST69 - Calls $0.50 (BB)

FLOP [2s,3d,7d]

BIG BEAST69 - Checks
ROCKETWAD - Bets $0.50
3DRAGONS_FL - Calls $0.50
BIG BEAST69 - Folds

TURN [2s,3d,7d,8s]

ROCKETWAD - Checks
3DRAGONS_FL - Checks

RIVER [2s,3d,7d,8s,Jc]

ROCKETWAD - Checks3
DRAGONS_FL - Checks

SHOW DOWN ROCKETWAD - Show cards [Qc,As] 3DRAGONS_FL - Show cards [Kc,8h]
RESULT Total Pot($4.25) Rake ($0.20)Board [2s,3d,7d,8s,Jc]

Hand 2:
Stage #143577330: Holdem Normal $0.50/$1
ROCKETWAD - Pocket [Jh,Ah] (CO)
3DRAGONS_FL - Calls $0.50 (MP)
ROCKETWAD - Raises $0.50 to $1
_GARGOUILLE_ - Raises $0.75 to $1.50
DRAGONS_FL - Calls $1
ROCKETWAD - Calls $0.50

FLOP [6c,5c,3s]
_GARGOUILLE_ - Bets $0.50
3DRAGONS_FL - Calls $0.50
ROCKETWAD - Folds

Got out while I still could.

TURN [6c,5c,3s,4c]
_GARGOUILLE_ - Bets $1
3DRAGONS_FL - Calls $1

RIVER [6c,5c,3s,4c,8s]
_GARGOUILLE_ - Checks3
DRAGONS_FL - Checks

SHOW DOWN
_GARGOUILLE_ - Show cards [Ad,Ac] 3DRAGONS_FL - Show cards [2d,Jc]
RESULT Total Pot($ 8) Rake ($0.40)Board [6c,5c,3s,4c,8s]

Help please. I have put results in so you can see what this guy is capable of.

buddy list him

thought this was NL for a sec.

lemme think about these.

This clown took me (and Gargouille) for about $20 or $25 (each) then ran. It was amazing how he hit every time he played, with crap.

Simply adding him to a list doesnt help us in the heat of the moment though. Need to know what adjustments we should be making knowing that if he is in a hand, he could have anything... :wink:

You should know that I can't play NL ring games...lol...i barely get by with limit :wink:

Rocket:

I was in a very similar situation in my home game last night. Had pocket Aces cracked by trip 10s (river river 10's BTW). Villain was playing 10-8 offsuit heads up w/ me in a pot I had raised 4x the BB. Freakin hilarious. I didn't lose much on the hand though. My buddy turned to me and gave me this look like WTF. I just smiled to the noob who cracked me and said, NH, you got me.

You played this hand fine. You know as well as anybody that in the end if you play 1000 hands with this guy you will end up ahead because you'll be betting your hands for value, and he'll just be calling because he likes the action.

Play ABC poker and strong starting hands against calling stations and you will be just fine. I think that you're biggest advantage when playing against a calling station is the knowledge that he will not raise you, and will not fold a worse hand. You know not to bluff, not to check raise (because he won't bet into you), and to make all the value bets you can on the river.

Any bit of loss you get from an occasional suck out is far compensated by the knowledge you have by knowing how a calling station will play.

Very easily. He's a fish (loose passive passive).

He isn't punishing you by betting or raising for value. He isn't folding when he's got the worst of it.

So: value bet a wide range of hands.
Do not: Bluff or semibluff.

Is he calling on the flop no matter what he has? Is he calling on the flop w/o a pair? How about the turn? River? If he is, you can bet ace-hi for value. If not, you can't

Easy peasey. Kick his ass

Ice

Easy to say on paper. He played (almost) every hand he was dealt. As you can see by the betting lines of these two examples alone, I believe the both gargouille and I played them correctly, to no avail. like I said in a previous post, he took us LARGE!!! :cry:

This guy had my number all day. Calling with crap (queen 8, queen 7, etc) and baeting my quality hands EVERY TIME. How do you compensate for playing against someone who plays any two cards, regardless of the pre-flop action?


Can't be done.

They're impossible to beat. Not because one will beat you everytime, of course that won't happen. But they school together so that 8 are in every hand, and one of them is bound to have some junk hand that lucks out.

This is why no one should play micro-limits.

It'd be impossible for someone to take like $50 and turn into $1000 playing microlimits. People should wise up and start at 5/10 where your bets are respected and you win pots you should win.

That's Party 5/10. Six max.

On Party.

Not sure what happened to the smash that actually posted good thought processes and strategies...I miss that guy :cry:

Not sure what happened to the smash that actually posted good thought processes and strategies...I miss that guy


You're asking the dumbest question possible, what are you looking for?

You're asking the equivilent of:

I play this game with my freinds where I get to win $100 if I have a dice roll of six. Here's the thing, I have to bet $5 to win the $100. I lose most of the time. I'm getting screwed, this is a bad bet, right?

same thing happened to me on Absolute last night Rocket....had AK run down by J2, AQ run down by 4-8, and KQs beat by 3-6, and then about 6 other A-big hands that I cant remember beat by 2-5 and the like. It happens, I still ended up with a decent profit at the table. You just have to keep trying to play solid and don't let it get to you.

No, I am sure that there are many dumber questions (ie. it's the first hand of the main event at the world series of poker, you have pocket aces, yadda yadda yadda). I thought it was an actual good question that I am sure many people have problems with (what changes do you make with the way you play when you are against at least one opponent who will go in with any two cards...). Normally, you try to put a guy on a hand with the way he played pre-flop, post-flop, on the turn, etc., but when he will play any two cards, you MUST change things, mustn't you? :wink:

Nope...start value betting about any pair and start raising and reraising him to try and isolate. they'll take the occasional big pot off of you, but if they're in with any 2 cards pairs and A high are usually decently big hands against them. try to isolate and get it heads up with them, then punish them for playing any 2 cards. the guy with J2 last night took a big pot off of me, but he's also where most of my winning from that table came from.

Normally, you try to put a guy on a hand with the way he played pre-flop, post-flop, on the turn, etc., but when he will play any two cards, you MUST change things, mustn't you?

No.

Play 100000 hands with them and see how they do.

YSAPKY

YSAPKY

Sorry, but I am not familiar with that acronym. :?

Rocket, it's just negative variance. This same fool will be paying you off when your high overs pair up. I love these players, because they often loosen the rest of the table up, as people start gunning for him (or worse, emulating him!) with crap hands. It doesn't take many 15 BB pots to make up for a few preflop raises you had to muck on the flop.

I'm guessing...

You suck at poker. Kill yourself

SBCDC

[quote=Canada][quote=Rocketwadster]YSAPKY

Sorry, but I am not familiar with that acronym. :?[/quote]


I'm guessing...

You suck at poker. Kill yourself

SBCDC[/quote][/quote]

Now that is just plain rude. :cry: Pardon me for looking for some assistance. :roll:

[quote=Rocketwadster][quote=Canada][quote=Rocketwadster]YSAPKY

Sorry, but I am not familiar with that acronym. :?[/quote]


I'm guessing...

You suck at poker. Kill yourself

SBCDC[/quote][/quote]

Now that is just plain rude. :cry: Pardon me for looking for some assistance. :roll:[/quote]

Don't get too upset. It may also be...

You sure are pretty. KY-jelly?

Sorry, but I don't go for your back-door shenanigans... :wink:

I wonder if its any coincidence that your '20k lube and service' is being offered to you by All-In

Smash are you saying this about limit or no limit? If you mean limit, then I totally agree. For nl on the other hand....

I'm just taking a stab at that one.....

So Blame Canada. Douche Clown.

LOL! wow.

i take it from your response that you disagree. oh well, maybe i'll lose it all, but after 3 weeks i'm half way to doing exatctly what smash says you can't do. i'm playing .10/.25 nl on stars. when(if) i get there (1000), i'll move up a table. the point is, i'm learning, i'm not loosing my meager roll, i'm building one, and i'm learning to play a wide variety of players. what better place to learn than the microlimits if you dont have a real roll to start with? laugh at me if you want, i expect you do. some of us don't have a real alternative but do honestly want to play, learn, win, and do it the "right" way.

Stop it. You're embarrassing yourself. I was gonna let you keep going, but I'm cringing too badly, here.

Ice

Smash are you saying this about limit or no limit? If you mean limit, then I totally agree. For nl on the other hand....


I was joking.

I did it, and posted almost every hand on this board and posted about how sickenly easy it was for weeks.

thanks smash. obviously these other guys think its a joke, but that gives me a little more hope. i suppose ice thinks im just supposed to jump in with no roll and loose my ass on the first day.

You got the best advice you're going to receive in the very first response: buddy list him and play him every chance you get. Right now, you've played one session with him and you have some bad beat stories. Anybody can get lucky in the short run, and he did - such is poker. Online you have the unique opportunity to play him over the long run (unless he never comes back to play again). So do so, and you'll make so much money that one session with a few bad beats will seem like a joke.

You are very dense... I was making fun of you for not getting the joke, idiot.


Calm down and pay attention.

Ice

dude, look at my # of posts and date joined, how was i to know what his story was. sorry for the faux pas :oops:

first off, contrary to popular belief, maniacs can be beaten. just raise with every good hand u see. On the flop, bet if u hit it at all. otherwise try to take free cards. play lots of draw hands like suited connectors and small pairs. with straight or flush draws, u should get tons of free cards to make yur draws. Dont semibluff, cuz u wont win the pot that way. Also when u make a hand like a set u will get paid off vastly. Plus, make sure he's a true maniac. If uve read Negreaneu's articles for Cardplayer, ull know that there r guys who pretend to play almost anything, but are really solid players who use their table image to their advantage. Also, dont get discouraged if u lose 1 or 2 sessions. In the long run ull come out on top.

sam, this guy wasn't a maniac...he was a calling station.

I played a maniac last week who was trying to cap every hand preflop that he could(and I mean every hand...his PF Raise % was 100%). I wasn't paying attention as much as I should have been when I got pocket Q's and the flop came 3-6-8 rainbow. Being the aggressive player I am against a maniac I got into a raising war and lost about $16 when he turned over 36o at the end. It was the first hand someone hadn't folded to this guy since I sat at the table (12 hands had been played before I got QQ). So I decided that if I could isolate this guy preflop with maybe one other player I would open up my hands and play suited connectors and small pairs more aggressively in less favorable position against him and see what came on the flop.

Well, about 6 hands later I have 56s (hearts) on the button. I raise it and sure enough he reraises and I cap (probably should have just called even though it was just the two of us now). Flop comes 3-4-J all hearts. Still steaming from the Queens I decided to take a risk and see how far this guy was willing to bet to represent the nut flush. It's on Caribbean Sun where there are unlimited raises heads up. At $0.50/$1.00 it took a while before I decided to just call for the sake of the others at the table who were getting pissed at the raising war. There's about $20 in the pot now and a 10d comes off on the turn, he bets, I call. The river comes 7h for my straight flush which I begin the raising war again until he finally decided to just call after the pot is now up to $55. Some people made some comments about how long it was taking so I just said "it'll be worth it when we flip our cards over". I turn over my straight flush and he mucks. Unfortunately I have no idea what he was actually playing since he wouldn't say and Caribbean lets you muck a showdown (no looking at the log like UB).

In retrospect, I realize I played the hand wrong on the flop. I should have just called his reraise and then called on the turn if my straight flush didn't hit to see the river since there was a good chance he only had a 4-flush draw and was trying to "bully" me out of the pot. Had I played it right, I truly believe the same result would have happened. Yes, I got lucky...althought I'm pretty sure he held the Ace of hearts with either a backdoor straight draw or a pair...something like A3o or A4o.

Normally I would have folded 56s knowing that I would be facing a possible reraise, especially since the SB was playing back at the maniac with some heavy aggression. I re-raised to get that guy out of the way knowing I'd put myself in a better position to win a big pot if my hand hit.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that you have to do what I did to beat a maniac because frankly straight flushes are not common at all. It takes some very smart post-flop play to beat a guy like that. I took over $100 from that guy in a 3 hour session by opening up my hand selection a bit, playing some hands I wouldn't normally play in middle and early position knowing that there was a chancemany of the tighter players at the table were going to fold unless they had premium hands. Did this guys still catch some amazing hands? yep, but I made sure I put myself in a good position to win whatever he won from someone else.

I look for him anytime I'm on the Cypto Network sites.

Close.

Stop Blaming Canada...

rocket, here's my advice, bend over, spread your ass cheeks wide, and take it up the pooper like a man and say yes sir may I have another repeatedly. Its the only way to solve it

Im up over $700, playing mainly LHE. I've only dabbled at the tables that are higher than 0.25/0.50. Its very possible with a sound grasp of the basic concepts, and time :wink:

I withdrew a significant amount from Pstars on Monday (anticipating a reload bonus somewhere out there this week or next), and have been card dead for the three sessions since. I've been seeing 16% of the flops in those sessions (I'm normally at about 23-24%), and I've trickled away 30 BBs. I've mostly lost to these any-two-cards-can-win players, who will pay me back with interest next week. Yet still, I hate trying to adjust my aggressive line when the flop misses me and these jokers are in on every raised pot.

I need a tinfoil hat.

30bb's? come back when you're having a 200bb downswing or -10 maxbuyin no limit downswing, until then