Tabulus
Wednesday, June 15th, 2005, 9:56 PM
I know a lot of players have a hard time playing Jacks.
PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (9 handed)
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Preflop: Hero is SB with J:diamond:, J:spade:.
3 folds, BB calls, MP2 calls.
Flop: (6 SB) 7:club:, 7:heart:, K:diamond:
(3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 folds.
Turn: (4 BB) 4:club:
(2 players)
Hero checks,
BB bets, Hero calls.
River: (6 BB) 3:spade:
(2 players)
Hero checks,
BB bets, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 8 BB
I feel like I'm one of them after looking over this. I thought the preflop raise would give me enough fold equity to lead into two players despite the overcard. Then after one called I switched into check call mode. Is this to passive?
DCWildcat
Wednesday, June 15th, 2005, 9:58 PM
No. Check/call is iffy with so few bets in the pot.
But it is .05/.1...
idiotbocs
Wednesday, June 15th, 2005, 9:59 PM
I normally bet/fold the turn. There are still a few things that you beat that will call you. If you get raised let it go.
River I would check/call against aggressive players and check/fold against passive players.
econ_tim
Wednesday, June 15th, 2005, 10:00 PM
I think you should keep betting until someone raises you. This applies when your PP is higher than mid board pair, or when you flop mid pair. If people just call you, they are often drawing.
idiotbocs
Wednesday, June 15th, 2005, 10:02 PM
QUOTE (econ_tim)
I think you should keep betting until someone raises you. This applies when your PP is higher than mid board pair, or when you flop mid pair. If people just call you, they are often drawing.
What draws do you see out there?
Tabulus
Wednesday, June 15th, 2005, 10:03 PM
Was I right to lead the flop?
After leading the flop should I lead the turn? It seems that the turn check screams weakness and that the other player would be right to bet into me with damn near any two cards.
With the pot laying me 8 to 1 on the river is a check/fold still the right play?
econ_tim
Wednesday, June 15th, 2005, 10:04 PM
QUOTE (idiotbocs)
QUOTE (econ_tim)
I think you should keep betting until someone raises you. This applies when your PP is higher than mid board pair, or when you flop mid pair. If people just call you, they are often drawing.
What draws do you see out there?
At low limits, many players would consider Ax of clubs a draw. But I was speaking more generally. Players draw to a lot of crazy things, though.
idiotbocs
Wednesday, June 15th, 2005, 10:04 PM
A read helps on the river line.
Definately bet the turn, though.
River, call against an unknown player.
custom36
Wednesday, June 15th, 2005, 10:05 PM
Was I right to lead the flop?
Yes
After leading the flop should I lead the turn?
Yes
It seems that the turn check screams weakness and that the other player would be right to bet into me with damn near any two cards.
Correct
With the pot laying me 8 to 1 on the river is a check/fold still the right play?
Do you believe you'll have the best hand one time out of eight?
econ_tim
Wednesday, June 15th, 2005, 10:05 PM
QUOTE (Tabulus)
Was I right to lead the flop?
After leading the flop should I lead the turn? It seems that the turn check screams weakness and that the other player would be right to bet into me with damn near any two cards.
With the pot laying me 8 to 1 on the river is a check/fold still the right play?
Yes, lead the flop and the turn. It is hard to fold this river without a read on the BB.
DCWildcat
Wednesday, June 15th, 2005, 10:06 PM
QUOTE (Tabulus)
Was I right to lead the flop?
After leading the flop should I lead the turn? It seems that the turn check screams weakness and that the other player would be right to bet into me with damn near any two cards.
With the pot laying me 8 to 1 on the river is a check/fold still the right play?
Yes to all; those are standard.
It's the 5 to 1 on the turn, which (figuring a river bet), is effectively 3 to 1 (6 to 2) that I fear.
KDawgCometh
Wednesday, June 15th, 2005, 10:06 PM
that turn check/call is so vaginal. bet it out and fold to any aggression[/b]
Smasharoo
Wednesday, June 15th, 2005, 10:14 PM
After leading the flop should I lead the turn?
Yes, allthough there's something to said for inducing bluffs from AQ or whatever.
Not a lot to be said, but something.
Absolute
Wednesday, June 15th, 2005, 10:53 PM
i, for one, think that turn check blows whale cock.
Vade
Wednesday, June 15th, 2005, 10:55 PM
Line is b/b/b if it keeps being just called.
If it's raised on the turn particularly you have to consider folding.
I might or might not call it down...it is a bit of a gray area
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