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T0xic
Couple of hours into a 65 person live tourny, $35 buy-in.

Just got moved to this table and played only about 5 or 6 hands before this hand came up. Everybody seemed to be fairly conservative (2-3 people per flop). I have 10,000 chips from my original 5000.

I am 1 off the big blind and get dealt pocket 10's. I limp for $600. Guy in late position limps, small blind folds and big blind checks.

Flop is 7s 10s 6d.

I check hoping to trap, next guy bets 600, and big blind raises to 6600.

We are all about even in chips at about 10,000.

What do you do here?
cursive34
why didnt you raise pre flop? i would probably go all in here but i dont play many tournaments.
T0xic
There were still about 30 players left and I didn't feel like putting my tourny life on the line with 10's without seeing the flop. There was still lots of time left IMO. Maybe I'm wrong.
cdddc75
I don't hate the limp UTG, but I'd raise it up.

Slowplaying that flop is moronic, doubly so after limping preflop. How many free cards do you want to give away?

You don't really have good odds to burn 2/3 of your stack chasing quads or a boat here. Fold to the big reraise and be happy you were able to get away from this misplay cheaply.
cdddc75
QUOTE (T0xic)
There were still about 30 players left and I didn't feel like putting my tourny life on the line with 10's without seeing the flop. There was still lots of time left IMO. Maybe I'm wrong.


He said raise (3xBB = 1800) preflop, not push. Pushing preflop with TT would be insane.
econ_tim
QUOTE (T0xic)
There were still about 30 players left and I didn't feel like putting my tourny life on the line with 10's without seeing the flop. There was still lots of time left IMO. Maybe I'm wrong.


Raising to 1800 preflop won't put your tourney life on the line.

Don't try to trap people with your set when there are flush and straight draws on the board. You should bet big on the flop.

The BB's bet is huge. Maybe he thought you and the other guy are both weak, but it's hard to know what to do without a read.
Devilkin
First, you have to raise with 10-10. Its a good hand, but very vulnerable to overcards appearing. You want to force hands like K icon_suit_diamond.gif 2 icon_suit_diamond.gif out of the pot before that dreaded K hits the boards.

That said, this is a great flop for you, especially if the board pairs for you and gives you the boat.

Yes, there is a straight draw out there, but this is what tournament play is all about - getting your money in with the best hand and having it hold up. Like I said, even if he hits the straight on the turn, you have outs (another 10, or a board pair). You are more than likely up against eiither two pair or a straight draw (although there may be a made straight there since you didn't raise PF).

Shove it all in the middle on this hand - if it doesn't hold up, you learned a valuable lesson about PF raising with good hands.

Dev
cdddc75
QUOTE (econ_tim)
QUOTE (T0xic)
There were still about 30 players left and I didn't feel like putting my tourny life on the line with 10's without seeing the flop. There was still lots of time left IMO. Maybe I'm wrong.


Raising to 1800 preflop won't put your tourney life on the line.

Don't try to trap people with your set when there are flush and straight draws on the board. You should bet big on the flop.

The BB's bet is huge. Maybe he thought you and the other guy are both weak, but it's hard to know what to do without a read.


It's a fairly easy fold because our hero did nothing to define BB's hand. Our hero likely has the best hand, but donked himself into making a bad fold with the (probable) best hand or a bad call of most of his stack against an unknown hand.

Trying to set a trap with this hand in the middle position postflop was terrible.
T0xic
Yea, his reraise was huge and my thought was that he believed we were both weak and was going to steal the pot. I figured I had the best hand right now and pushed it all in. To my horror it was called by both. :shock:

I had trips
2nd guy had the straight
big blind got is 9 high flush on the turn.

Your right Devilkin, a good lesson learned on the preflop raise. I probably would have taken the blinds.
Rocketwadster
QUOTE (T0xic)
Couple of hours into a 65 person live tourny, $35 buy-in.

Just got moved to this table and played only about 5 or 6 hands before this hand came up. Everybody seemed to be fairly conservative (2-3 people per flop). I have 10,000 chips from my original 5000.

I am 1 off the big blind and get dealt pocket 10's. I limp for $600. Guy in late position limps, small blind folds and big blind checks.

Flop is 7s 10s 6d.

I check hoping to trap, next guy bets 600, and big blind raises to 6600.

We are all about even in chips at about 10,000.

What do you do here?


For the majority of players you will run against, a pre-flop raise should get rid of a holding like 8 9 (suited or not) most of the time from late positions and usualyl even the blinds.

Since you didnt raise pre-flop, you let LOTS of hands in cheap (and free for the BB). Now, you have to bet, and a pretty substantial bet too, to protect your hand from the straight and flush draws. If your set is beat at this time, so be it, but you can't play weak like that. The huge bet by the BB screams of a flush draw OR a made straight that is worried about someone chasing a flush. Now you have few outs (one ten, 3 sixes, 3 sevens) to beat a straight or flush. Looks like a fold to me based on how you played it. :wink:
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