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dna4ever
Check out these 3 hands that all happened within 20 minutes of each other last night. There were 3 different hands where I had JJ and flopped trips. All 3 times someone else had pocket Aces and hit A) Trip Aces over my trip jacks, cool.gif Aces full over my Jacks full), and C) 4 aces over my Jacks full! Talk about sickening, these 3 hands cost me $130. Critiques?

http://www.pokerhand.org/index.php?page=vi...view&hand=71896

http://www.pokerhand.org/index.php?page=vi...view&hand=71897

http://www.pokerhand.org/index.php?page=vi...view&hand=71898
econ_tim
I haven't looked at the hand histories, but you're just gonna have to pay people off when stuff like that happens. Sucks to lose them all in such a short timespan.

Edit: now I've looked at the hand histories. I think you should 3 bet JJ preflop. I know this wouldn't help you on these hands, but it should make money on average.
vaglvr
Wow at what point do you just shoot yourself?
angler
Jacks are Satan's little helper. :evil:
vaglvr
Edit: now I've looked at the hand histories. I think you should 3 bet JJ preflop. I know this wouldn't help you on these hands, but it should make money on average.

True, hand one it wouldn't have mattered but hands two and a three bet could have potentially knocked some players out. Also there aren't two many too many hands people cap with so its sometimes good to get that info when its cheaper.
vaglvr
Hand 1: the final raise is overkill on the river.

Hand 2: the hand was played fine, MadRedBull's play is so confusing...

Hand 3: I can understand if your gunshy at this point, but how come no reraise on turn. I'm not really sure of all the finer points of limit, still learning and the bonuses make it worth it. I noticed here you decided to just call the flop. Were you changing your strategy or just pissed off? Both are understandable. That was as ugly of three hands as it gets good thing it didn't wreck you and you still turned a profit. GL
dna4ever
QUOTE (vaglvr)
Hand 3:    I can understand if your gunshy at this point, but how come no reraise on turn.   I'm not really sure of all the finer points of limit, still learning and the bonuses make it worth it. I noticed here you decided to just call the flop.  Were you changing your strategy or just censored off?   Both are understandable.   That was as ugly of three hands as it gets good thing it didn't wreck you and you still turned a  profit.  GL


Just played this one horrible. I first laughed when I had JJ then laughed again when I flopped the set. My plan was to slow play and then the guy in the middle raised the turn for me. I was planning on calling then reraising the river, but the river brought 4 to the straight so just called it down. I agree I played that terrible. Was just awesome to see that Ace on the river [sw]
Vade
Just call the three-bets on the river on both the first two hands You don't have anything close to the nuts

Hand three, well, you know you played that badly, you should have lost a lot more though tongue.gif
mrdannyg
Hand One:

three-bet pre-flop, i think thats easy. it would've cost you more money, especially since AA had to consider you to have QK since you didn't reraise, so you saved yourself several bets, but i think its still the better play. the last raise on the river is overkill since there are now several hands the other player could legimitately have that are beating you and its unlikely he has played the hand the way he did without one of them.

Hand Two:

much too cautiously again. you should 3-bet pre-flop. i hate CRing the flop, but that might be the right play here. i would suggest betting out, since the player is likely to raise you, and you can then CR the turn. if you called the flop with the intention of Check-Raising the turn, then thats fine, and you were smart not to go overboard with a check-re-raise (although ironically that would've won you the pot in this situation). everything else is fine.

Hand three:

Fold pre-flop. jacks are killing you. seriously though:
again, 3-bet pre-flop. everything else is fine.

overall:

you got extremely unlucky. having JJ to AA three times is bad enough. having them in situations where you think you are good is even worse. losing to set under set three times in less than a week is extremely terrible luck. i hope you were playing within your limits and survived this variance, and can only wish you better luck in the future.

cheers,
daniel
dna4ever
QUOTE (mrdannyg)
Hand One:

three-bet pre-flop, i think thats easy.  it would've cost you more money, especially since AA had to consider you to have QK since you didn't reraise, so you saved yourself several bets, but i think its still the better play.  the last raise on the river is overkill since there are now several hands the other player could legimitately have that are beating you and its unlikely he has played the hand the way he did without one of them.

Hand Two:

much too cautiously again.  you should 3-bet pre-flop.  i hate CRing the flop, but that might be the right play here.  i would suggest betting out, since the player is likely to raise you, and you can then CR the turn.  if you called the flop with the intention of Check-Raising the turn, then thats fine, and you were smart not to go overboard with a check-re-raise (although ironically that would've won you the pot in this situation).  everything else is fine.

Hand three:

Fold pre-flop.  jacks are killing you.  seriously though:
again, 3-bet pre-flop.  everything else is fine.

overall:

you got extremely unlucky.  having JJ to AA three times is bad enough.  having them in situations where you think you are good is even worse.  losing to set under set three times in less than a week is extremely terrible luck.  i hope you were playing within your limits and survived this variance, and can only wish you better luck in the future.

cheers,
daniel


thanks danny, good stuff. yea i still netted a profit for the session (after the $150 bonus) and was within my BR (playing $3/$6 with $1900 roll), but yea bad run of luck. Very frustrating
flyingmachine
Hand 1: Why is he not reraising you on river until you call?
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