Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: BMF'er is SB with [Ad], [As].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 5 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Button calls.

Hello, beautiful. I prefer my aces to be either both black or both red, or both major suits, but I'll play bad feng shui aces if I have to.

Flop: (9 SB) [Kh], [5d], [4c] (4 players)
BMF'er bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Button folds.

Pretty standard. Good flop for me.

Turn: (6 BB) [Qc] (3 players)
BMF'er bets, UTG+1 folds, BMF'er calls.

UTG wakes up. Hmmm... time to put him on a range of hands. Pot's too big, so folding is clearly not an option. He limped and called a raise, which at party's .50/1 could literally mean anything. Set's possible, two pair is possible. KcXc for a free showdown? Unlikely, he should have raised the flop. KQ is possible, but unlikely, because he should have raised into me preflop. Either way... I figure there's a better-than-significant chance I'm behind right now.

When people play not-textbook with me... obviously I like it because it gets me paid. The only thing I don't like is when it confuses me this much. Since folding is incorrect and raising is suicide, I decide to just call his raise.

River: (10 BB) [4d] (2 players)
BMF'er bets, BMF'er calls.

Very interesting river. All draws miss, no straight or flush is possible. And, now I have 3 pair beat. I still can't beat a boat, obviously, but that had to have been a good card for me.

Final Pot: 18 BB


----------------------------------------------------------


Was I just so brilliant I out-thought myself and chip-spewed? Comments on how I played the aces?

By the way, he had 44. The jopke was definitely on me.

I like the stop and go, but call that river raise.

I agree, yeah, the boat seems unlikely, but it's party...K4, Q4, 54 all hands that party players will limp with. A spew on the river probably

Yeah that's what I was thinking.

...And that's why fish hate playing aces, because they get overplayed. Guess I'm a fish too.

It's just funny that I capped the river thinking he was capping on two pair and spewing because the board paired.

the river is a great card for you, but only call the raise. you're not invincible.

aseem

3bet the turn and if he caps, call and check/call the river.
If he just calls your turn 3bet, lead the river.

easy easy

I realize it's aces... but I couldn't see him raising the turn with anything less than two pair. Granted, it's better than what I ended up doing, but I couldn't see myself getting raised on the turn with something I was ahead of. And I'm drawing thin to improve. Still threebet the turn? Overplayed aces happens all the time on party (and ironically, it's exactly what I ended up doing).

I think there are a few ways to play this hand, but I'm pretty sure yours was a little suboptimal.

A turn 3-bet isn't a bad idea, and a cap lets you know you're hammered. Check/call the river in that spot (even when the board pairs).

If you decide to play it the way you did (calling the turn), then 3-betting the river is pretty poor. The hand play a lot like your opponent had a small pocket pair, and he's probably only going to raise you on the river with a hand that's ahead of you.

Ice

See?
you almost had it, except the part about there being a few ways to play this hand.

of course there are a few ways.
but there is one obvious and most correct way.

so why mention that there are others?
or do you like to "mix it up"?

(sigh)

I suppose I should have explicitly said "I suppose there are a few ways to play this hand, depending on your read" but I figured you were grownup enough to figure that out on your own.

Congratulations, you got me. I didn't specify that against a more passive player, calling the turn and betting the river is appropriate, whereas against a more aggressive opponent makes 3-betting the turn a neccessity.

The point was this: If you're going to give him (reasonable) credit for being ahead of you on the turn, there's a very very good chance he's still ahead of you on the river.

You are like a small child. I wish you would burn in an Arcade Fire. And no, I would absolutely not attend your....


Ice

Easy guys...

We're not in general, after all.

hes just tilting

I Absolute take you Pocket Aces to be my wife...


Unless the UTG is a big LAG raising the turn is daft.

The only player that goes past that flop is either very loose or has hit.

A fish is only raising 2 pair or better and isn't folding.

A tight player is only likely to have pocket pairs or KQ. KQ and PP that haven't made a set raise the flop.

For the OP to be ahead here UTG needs to be on a draw or likes to overplay his TPWK. Only a maniac (LAG) is raising that turn and still behind Aces.

Call the turn raise, bet/call the river

Agree, even check call would be good IMO because he's waited till the turn to raise which usually indicates a set i'm guessing 44 or 55, guess its 55 then with two other 4's on board. It could also be KQ both are hands i've witnessed people at this limit reguarly open limping with UTG.

We bet/call the river because we just passed KQ, K5, and Q5, all likely holdings for our opponent. Bad opponents will open limp these hands, good opponents will open limp 44, 55 UTG at this level. Open limping KQo at this level is marginal.

absolute,

i don't like three-betting that turn.

without a read, at this level, it is fair to assume that our opponent is on the slightly passive side of things.

what hands does even a slightly passive opponent raise on the turn that you're still ahead of?

either:

1. he waited to the turn to raise (he hit the flop hard), which means he was pretty strong. although a fish might do that with something like A-K (thinking his top pair is godly), fish often do that with sets and two pair (slowplay them on any flop and wait for the turn or river to raise).

2. he hit the flop and improved on the turn. what hands do we beat in this case? none, i don't think.

3. he hit the flop and didn't improve on the turn. again, this usually means strength if he intentionally waited for the turn to raise, but let's take in the possibility of something like A-K.

4. he didn't hit the flop, and he hit the turn. granted, he might raise something like A-Q here, but do passive players really raise second pair here often enough to assume this case often enough? i don't think so, IMHO.

5. he's bluffing. always a possibility, but this is more in the territory of aggressive players. he MIGHT be aggressive, so this is a possibility. against a passive player, though, i would discount this case.

if the player is passive, cases 1 and 2 are the most likely, and we are behind to both. case 3 is possible, but i think the frequency of him hitting A-K and not raising the flop is considerably less than the first two cases. cases 4 and 5 aren't very likely with passive players.

ASSUMING THE PLAYER IS PASSIVE, i think three-betting that turn is chip-spewing.

why do you think you should three-bet that turn?

aseem

check-calling the river is too passive. two pair is a hand you were behind to on the turn, but when the bottom card pairs, you're good. we can fairly reasonably assume that the 4 pairing didn't help our opponent unless it gave him a full house (no passive opponent waits for the turn to raise just a pair of 4's). two pair was the most likely hand on the turn that we were up against, so you bet out with the intention of calling one raise.

aseem