Party Poker (8 handed) converter

Preflop: flintsword is UTG with Q:diamond:, 2:club:, J:heart:, 3:heart:.
flintsword checks, UTG+1 checks, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: A:heart:, 8:spade:, T:diamond: (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, SB folds.

Turn: 9:heart: (4 players)
BB checks, BB folds.

River: 7:spade: (3 players)

Final Pot: $64.50

Results:

Opponent #1 shows [ T:heart:, 3:diamond:, 3:spade:, T:spade: ]
Three of a kind, tens.

Opponent #2 doesn't show [ Q:club:, K:spade:, 7:diamond:, 6:heart: ]
A straight, six to ten.

flintsword shows [ Q:diamond:, 2:club:, J:heart:, 3:heart: ]
A straight, eight to queen.


Outcome: flintsword wins, ... but was I right?

I just arrived into a $25 PL Omaha Hi game at partypoker so I was forced to put in a BB and play the first hand, so there is NO hand selection here, I played what was given me and since there was no raise preflop, (no choice), I got to see the flop.

On the flop, I bet the pot ($1.25) on the strength of my str8 draw.

Admittedly this is a little risky if any of my opponents have a real hand here, but it was my decision. A K or a 9 give me str8, so I am drawing for 8 outs with 45 cards to come, so I am pushing my luck here.

Opponent #1 has second set here (he is the virulent complainer in the story) and he raises $5 , which is called by two other players. I just call the extra $3.75 since the odds are now "a little better" and there is now $21.25 in the pot before the turn card.

As you can see, the turn card is the 9:heart: making my str8 and freerolling to a J high flush.

I go all in for $19.75, Opponent #1 goes all in for $3.75, and Opponent #2 matches my $19.75. One folder. Total pot is $64.50.

I win, ... but was I right?

After I won Opponent #1 goes crazy :shock: saying how can I call his $5 reraise with an inside str8 draw (he did not realize it was open ended). He went on and on. "It's players like you, blah, blah, blah." He was a real whacko for going ballistic like that but is he right about the play being incorrect?

There was some debate. Some players thought it was ok, but all agreed it should go to the experts on a forum, because it is a cool and common situation.

You have an open ended st8 draw in a rainbow flop. If you are reraised by a set, is it correct to call?

I am keen to hear what the long-time Omaha players have to say. I can take criticism, ... and want to improve my game.

I believe the correct answer is.....








Wait for it........







It depends.
In this instance, you have 8 outs to the nut straight. You also have backdoor outs to the flush, but only 3rd best, so we'll ignore those for now. I wanna say that gives you somewhere around 30% on the flop. So from a pot odds standpoint, you need 3.3-1. You're getting somewhere around 6-1 with the 2 cold callers. So in this instance, yes, it's correct. Those callers actually gave you an overlay. Without the callers, you'd only be getting 2-1, so then it wouldn't be correct from a pot odds atndpoint. The berater needs to get over it, and if he doesn't like being drawn out, he needs to stop playing omaha. He had 10 outs on the river, too. Part of the game.

I say nice hand.

Preflop: Fine only because it was free. Don't post UTG...that's just silly.
Flop: Horrible bet. Betting on a nearly naked straight draw in Omaha is a fantastic way to spew chips. You should be trying to draw as cheaply as possible here. Calling the raise was fine though. You had pot odds to call with your double gutbuster. Ignore your opponent who can't read straight draws to save his life.

Turn: Good jam. You're not freerolling to a flush here though. You really don't want a heart on the river.


Middle set in Omaha is a vulnerable hand. Your opponent should know that it's far from bulletproof.

Middle set in Omaha is worse than vulnerable, it's a trap hand. Especially if you still think Hold 'Em. (like the setter apparently did) And I agree totally here... don't post UTG, just wait a hand, silliness.

But it was a fairly well played hand.

It is correct to call if you are getting pot odds and/or implied odds. You were getting pot odds on your call given that 2 players called behind you with what appears to be bupkiss.

The part of your play I dont really understand is betting the pot from early position into at least 3 players when all you are holding is a straight draw. You are drawing thin to A2.

Actually, this was just Omaha Hi, but even if it was 8/B, he had the nut low draw. There was a A on the board, so A2 would be counterfeited. Still not a great play with just a draw, but it worked out for him.

I didnt mean to imply that there was a low draw- i.e. I knew it was just high. What I meant to say was that even if one of the 3 opponents he bet into had a weak Ace, i.e. A2, he wasn't in great shape.- i.e. he had less than a 35% chance to suck out.

Fair enough. I think we all agree the pot bet there was bad, but after tat it was alright. Calling here is fine, but betting, in this situation, is a bt much.