CO is new to the table, Button is good.

5/10 (4 handed)

Preflop: I get delt Q ,7 in the BB.
CO calls, Button raises, SB folds, I?

easy call, it'd be an easy three bet if teh CO wasn't involved

Even though the button isnt going to be raising as light with a limper already in?

button is probably isolating the limper. YOur hand isn't that bad. I'm definetly calling as the button's raising range would be very broad here

Cool.

I can also C/r the button on a good flop to get it heads up.


OK, how about another one?


CO is new to table, SB is loose, BB is good.

5/10 (4 handed)

Preflop: I get delt K ,T on the button.
Co raises, I?

If I call, SB is likely to come along for 1.5 more bets and the BB could call with any two suited profitably (and he knows this). Im not sure if a multi-way pot would be bad. I could float on the button with a marginal hand or I could 3-bet.

If I 3-bet the SB and BB are likely to fold, but is my hand good enough?

or I could just fold, but I like to play.

I personally prefer calling here. Your hand does play multiway well and the extra money from the SB and BB helps cushion the pot when the CO does have you dominated.

However, with it being 4 handed your hand may be best here as the raising standards 4 handed for a decent player are pretty loose.

Without a read on the CO I'm gonna go with calling. If you thought you could move him off AX when you both miss I would lean towards 3-betting and trying to get it HU.

Zara

P.S. Lol, I just got called passive by mrdannyg in this thread after calling him a fish for him overplaying his hands
http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...4293&highlight=

I was talking this over with a buddy and we came to the conclusion that coldcalling is our worst option. We dont want to let the loose small blind and the SOLID BB in the hand.

3-betting may be correct, but we dont have a read on the CO.

So,

folding > raising > calling

I can see how an argument can be made for this, but can you please explain why you came to this conclusion?

Zara

Well, KTs may be the best hand, but if I call, the SB is going to call with alot of things as is the BB because he is getting priced in with just about any two cards (he plays goot postflop). Also, the last thing I want is to let a solid player in. With those players in, I have no control over the pot with a marginal hand. I didn't raise preflop and I am going to pay 2 bets to fold on a bunch of flops.

3-betting is OK, but I dont know the COs raising standards.

I agree you lose control if you only call but I still think you have a good enough hand to warrant it. Against two random hands and one decent hand I think you easily have more than a 25% equity in the pot which is how much money you're putting in. While the BB is worrisome, it is unlikely he'll be able to move you off a winning hand unless your K high is good or both a K and an A hit so I'm not as worried about being outplayed.

Finally, you also have position on everyone. if you get a mediocre flop (one heart and two overs) it will probably be checked to the CO who will bet and you can raise to shut out the blinds. If the flop is better than that for you, than it's pretty easy to bet/raise the flop IMO.

Zara

though KTs isnt great CO could be raising with anything, but you dont wanna price in the blinds, those KTs, KJs, QJs......type hands are kinda like small PP to me, you dont want MANY players in the hand

so

Raise better than Fold better than Call

I dont know what CO is raising. KJ, KQ, AK, AT, and AA-TT would be horrible for me.