okay people, you really need to check this hand out. the 2+2 poster who played this hand is someone I really respect, and this is an amazing hand and read by the poster. I think this hand might give some insight into knowing your opponent when defending a blind, enjoy:


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthre...=&view=&sb=5&o=

lol, I like. Ballsy defense.

He couldn't have asked for a nicer board / turn nicely played though, he maximized his profits.

I've played agaisnt him several times too, it isn't much fun. John Nickle is a great player and a goofy dude. He is also known for doing some crazy shit, but it always has logic to it. I really would like some discussion though. What are the parts that you all like, do you disagree with any of his play, he is a very unorthodox player, so there will be people that will disagree with what he does

regardless of Result, I like this play against the player he described someone with 12/7/2 can be beaten out of this pot. Against players like this there are times where I don't mind going first, they are predictable...


I honestly would have played it the same pre-flop, knowing that even w/out that flop, there are many instances where I can beat this guy w/ a check-raise on 4th. If he called that I give up on the pot, unless ofcourse you hit 2 pair like this.

He obviously does not make the same play against a LAG, he know's he can outplay this person regardless of the flop, and it's a hand he can get away from quick enough if he needs to.

he defended agaisnt a possible steal and hit a great board, not sure whats so amazing about the hand

86 is a hand that wont clash with many others on the flop so he has a pretty easy time deciding what to do on the flop

Not what he is asking, ignore the results, he is playing the player not the board when making this call preflop.

I really don't see the magic in this hand either.

He made a blind defense with 86 in a 3 handed game and flopped two pair.

I don't see how you fold the BB in any 3 handed game to a button raise, unless you cards are 72 or 23.

KDawg, You would have gotten better responses had you not shown the flop Better luck next time.

It's not even about the results.

I wouldn't fold the BB 3 handed to a button raise unless my cards ABSOLUTELY sucked. If this was a full table or 6 handed I can understand the nice hand but 3 handed come on. Might as well just hand him your BB every hand seeing as how you won't defend it unless you have a PP, suited connectores, or PaintX.

This hand came up two hands after this post.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 4 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with [5c], [7d].
1 fold, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) [8s], [9c], [6d] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, Button calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) [2d] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (9.50 BB) [4s] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

Can I get accolades as well?

Good post, Kdawg, I like the way he played, especially waiting for the turn to get going. Given the villain's b/f on the end, I think Hero managed to get tons of value from what I assume was opponent's trash hand (T9 or something).

I'm not sure if I like the river c/r attempt (although obviously it worked here) - I would like it better if the scare card hadn't hit. I think betting out might be the better play. Seems like the flush card makes it less likely for villain to value bet if he actually does have the A, while I think he still would value bet two pair or better. Plus, the scare card may inspire villain to bluff-raise with total trash, in the hopes that Hero is bluffing at the flush card with potentially better trash and will fold to a raise.

(Plus, of course, it's always possible that villain just sucked out and made a flush or straight, in which case bet-calling saves a bet compared to check-raising.)

You should have just called his flop 3-bet. I think you could have squeezed more bets out of this one.

I'm still not really clear on the topic of blind defense.

I recently read SSHE, and I gathered that I should be at least limping from the SB with any two suited cards (for the most part). I used to fold most of what I'd consider to be garbage suited connector hands (35s) from the small blind.

That said...I'm still not clear on what I should be calling in the big blind to a raise. I'm more apt to call if there are a lot of players in the pot, but I feel like I'll be throwing away money if I call with crap when the button obviously has something (even if it's marginal).

You would think that by just looking at the hand but it is the wrong move calling that 3 bet and here's why.

It's a blind steal. Most blind steals consist of the following. Ax Kx where x is 7 or higher, suited high connectors i.e. QJ, J10, 98. Every so often although it's no really a steal the button will have a small pp.

2nd reason I cap, I already check raised this hand. It ain't going to work again on the turn. The only card that can come out on the turn to get him to re-raise my turn bet is going to be his 2nd pair card, him having a PP and hitting trips on the flop, or if the board comes down 4 to the straight and he picked up an OESD.

Third by capping the flop, him with TPTK almost has to make the crying calls now. If I leave it at a three bet I think the hand plays the same and I lose a SB.

I know one SB seems like alittle but this hand has higher thinking poker all over it.

That's a bit of a contradiction...

It's not about results, it's a 3 handed defend of a blind steal simple as that. If he misses the flop he folds as would I. If he hits the flop like he and I both did the hand plays itself out. End of story.

The play wasn't some amazing read it's a simple blind defense.