I was lucky enough to be invited to one of the softest home games ever a little over a year ago. I consistantly make money and I probably shouldn't complain when I get sucked out on. However, last night one of the decent players in this game made a call that had me scratching my head. We play $1/$2 once a week. The initial buy in is a little light w/only $60. The play is really soft and you can chase down a lot of draws without being pushed off a hand very often.

Last night I was dealt pocket 10s and only led out w/a bet of $7 and got four callers. I figured I would see a flop before I went nuts with it. The flop was good, Ad10s5s. I saw the spades but I decided to see if one of the guys in the hand would take a stab at it. The next to act led out w/a bet of $5, the guy after him reraised to $15. That was enough action for me so I decided to shove when it got back to me. I only had $79 but I figured that would be enough to get both of them to fold whatever it was that they had.

The decent player mulled it over forever and finally decided to call w/As8s. I knew the other guy was going to fold based on his body language at this point. He wasn't exactly hiding the fact that he wanted no part of this.

Of course he rivered the spade. He stated that he had the odds to call assuming the guy that bet $15 was going to call as well. First of all, it seemed painfully obvious that he wasn't going to call. Second, even if he does call I still don't think he has the right odds. Am I crazy?

By my calculations we have a pot of 191 if, and its a very big if, the other guy calls my all in. So if that's the case he is getting pot odds of 2.5 to 1 to call and hope to hit one of his 9 outs. 9 outs twice says 36% to me. Are my calculations wrong? Didn't he need pot odds of at least 3 to 1 to make the call?

Bolded: You can not profitably draw with 30bb. It's like the later stages of a tournament, big cards and pairs are important and cards that need implied odds aren't worth anything. You should suggest the blinds be .5/1 if ppl don't want to buy in for more than $60.

You've left out positions, it looks like you raised TT UTG, but how many players? What are the stack sizes? Also, did you c/r all-in on the flop?

2nd bolded: Why the heck would you want them to fold when you shoved the flop? That would be the worst possible result.

Also, never check that flop. You're playing 40bb and flopped middle set vs 4 villains on an A high board, bet $30. Shove turn. Easy game.

Now, a 200nl game with 40bb effective stacks, that hand is super standard. The preflop call is prob meh, but he flopped top-pair and the NFD, he's not going anywhere.

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Missing two times for every one time he hits is usually referred to as 2:1. Notational issues aside, yes, he should fold if he sees your hand. The pot is offering him only 1.7:1 and he's a 2.5:1 dog to win against your set. Without that information, though, I think everyone calls and is correct to do so at these stack depths. Your range includes some draws, doesn't it?

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i would call everyday with the stacks.. u flop top pair with NFD.. and only 40bbs deep.. thats like a no brainer.

1. You call it the softest home game, yet you're surprised when people call with Top Pair/Nut Flush Draw?

2. If he didn't river the spade, you wouldn't have made this post

He will win the pot 30% of the time on the flop against your set.

He is getting the right odds because he crushes all other combo draws like KsJs,KsQs,QsJs and your TPGK hands. Unless you flip your hand over, he 100% made the right play.

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lol at him wanting them to fold when he flops a set

1) As for the starting stacks, I was invited to this game and because it is so soft I figured I would just play by their rules. I don't want to ruffle any feathers and miss out on all the potential that is there over the long term. I am primarily a tournament player so if I can find a cash game that is easy enough for me to consistantly make money I will do whatever I can to make sure the door is always open for me.

2) I was the sb, and I raised to $7 preflop and check raised all in post flop. There was a bet and a raise before it got back to me and the bb who had checked as well.

3) To be honest, I was a little scared of that flush draw. The pot wasn't huge, but in this little game it was a decent pot and I knew if I got called by both, at least one of them would be on the flush draw that could beat me. You're right though, if they make the call it is an incorrect call and all you can ask for is that your opponents make mistakes. I also had some outs too so I could improve my hand as well.

You're also right about checking the flop. Normally I would bet in that spot. However, because these are known players, they have a feel as to how I typically play so I have to mix it up on occasion.

you're mad you got your money in when you flopped a set... either go to the bad beat forum or do some more ghosting

I take it there were some limps and then you raised from the sb? If so, raise bigger. Like if 3-4 ppl limp the pot is ~$10 with the blinds when it gets to you, so make it $12/$15.

Yeah, I'm never scared on the flop with a set. Like 99 on a 9TJ all one suit board looks scary, but flushes and straights are harder to make than sets, which is why they beat sets

And you're right about having the redraw.

So for the amount of money, and the BBs (more importantly) this is just a meh hand that you played well (raise more pre tho). Reload and back to battle imo