Hey FCP
1/2 nl live at mohegan sun last weekend
I just moved to this table 15 hands ago. A new player sits, he is a regular, solid tight old player.

old player raises to $15 in early position (300$ stack)
two callers
I call in late position with Jc9c (300$ stack)
One bad player call behind me

flop 7d 8c 2c

old guy picks up a stack and bets it. he didnt count it just picked it up and placed it.
Dealer counts $70
two folds to me
I ?????????


The bad player who called behind me only have about $40 left

this is a spot im not comfortable in and would like to work on. Im trying to play a more small approach, i.e. keeping pots small when im only slightly ahead.
The old solid player clearly overbets the pot to eliminate pot odds. I have a strong drawing hand with 12 outs if he has an overpair, or 18 outs if he is making a play with AK or AQ.

suggestions please.....

If there is a spossibilty he has A/K, A/Q, i move in. Unless i'm positive he has an overpair here, i'm moving in.

Flipping vs an over pair

Vs a range of AA KK QQ AKs AQs AKo 9Ts 88 77 22 we're like 50/50

Also, villain didn't over-bet, 5 people saw a flop for $15 = $75 > $70

Variance is fun, shove

If you've decided to go with your hand in this spot, does anyone make a non-shoving raise instead to make it look stronger, like raising to $170.

Just look confused and get it in.

yah ship it!

give a speech about how you are scared he has a big hand... tank... then ship

no one cares to keep the pot smaller with a call?

No, because 1) you don't have a hand yet 2) you can make a better hand fold a good portion of the time 3) if the opponent does have a made hand, he is much less likely to pay you off if your draw completes. This way you get max value.

Ship it in.

Worst case scenario, the villain has the higher FD, but even then, you have 9 clean outs.

No, there's too much dead money in the pot.

I like what was suggested earlier how a raise to 170 might be better than just shoving.

Fold preflop all day. Shove flop all night.

Don't be calling 7.5x preflop raises from UTG old guys who probably have pairs bigger than yours when you're not even that deep. It's just lighting money on fire.