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SwolyswoND
No reads. No idea what someone's range is here.

Feral Cow Poker
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em t30/t60 - 8 players

MP: t1,921
HJ: t3,246
CO: t4,613
Button: t4,002
SB: t3,102
BB: t3,541 (Hero)
UTG: t1,769
UTG+1: t1,806

Preflop: (t90) Hero is BB with (8 players)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t60, 2 folds, CO calls t60, 2 folds, Hero checks

Flop: (t210) (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets t1,746, and is all in, CO folds, Hero ?
rrumsey
vomit but probably snap fold, ugh that sucks but that just screams im a donk with either a st8 (more likely) or a set (less likely) that is terrified to let a turn come off
trystero
can't vomit AND snapfold

I probably fold...I've seen people do this w/hands as strong as JT/KQ here. at best I think we're hoping he's got like KsJs. well, actually at best we're hoping that he's butchered AA beyond belief.
cdipierr
We can fold because we can pretend we're not involved in this hand and we'll have fine shots later if he sucks.

That said, I think Q9 is ahead a lot here.

But chips lost > chips won, etc. etc.
delved
This obviously would be -EV, but a lot, and I mean A LOT of the time they do NOT have it here. They have something like AK/AQ or some retarded flush/straight draw that they're willing to shove it in and take down a measly pot or stand up to their outs.

Lets say you're up against..

QJ/QT = 10 outs
AJs/ATs = 12 outs
AQ/AK = 5-6 outs or runner runner pairs and draws

Or else you're dominated.

Honestly I HATE having to fold in these spots, but most of the time I do it anyways unless I've been at the table with a read. With no read... I'd have to fold.



I guess there's the chance they have something stupid like 33-88 and are basically drawing dead.. but I've seen every donkbet in any SNG $1-$12.. so I can definitely imagine there's at least a donkey or two playing higher stakes as well. Some crazy shove, but then again, with NO read, you can't tell if he knows what he's doing or is just acting like a moron.
TrueAce13
I really don't expect to be beat here....i dunno, i'm a station, i think this is a call
daveharvey
i call here

its a bad spot but i hate to fold these types of hands
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