DROBERTS and I have decided we want a thread to help organize and motivate us micro grinders. We want a place to talk strat, post graphs, hands, questions, etc. And of course to bitch about beats and variance

We encourage all micro/small-stakes guys to get involved as we grind and move up the stakes.

We're planning to move up when we have 25 buy-ins for the next limit, and dropping down if you lose 5-10 buy-ins.

Please convert hands, it's just way better that way! http://www.feralcowpoker.com/converter.php

Other than that, let's just grind, get better and move on up!


GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hope this motivates all the micro grinders out there to compete and move up with us (hopefully)...

If u have any questions or such that u dont feel like posting here, feel free to send me a message and i will try my best to help ya.

Also try and post monthly graphs to show how things are goin.

as of Feb 1st i will post my January graph, and btw its not pretty but its a start.

gl guys!!!!

Firstly, Dustin (I'm not gonna write droberts every time I refer to you) and I are currently playing 10nl

Then... here's my first spot. Is this a good spot to keep betting? Balugawhale and other DC coaching are always saying at the micros to just value bet until they give you a reason to believe you're beat.

v1.10Feral Cow Poker Hand Converter
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players

UTG colcali77: $10.03
UTG+1 hammer8484: $9.77
CO danman225: $5.48
Button warthog21: $4.09
SB Hero: $10.00
BB pamanciomec00: $10.85

Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with : : (6 players)
colcali77 calls $0.10, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, pamanciomec00 folds, colcali77 calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.90) : : : (2 players)
Hero bets $0.65, colcali77 calls $0.65

Turn: ($2.20) : (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, colcali77 raises to $4.90,

EDIT: this was early in the sess without much info, but dude ended up being 48/38/.88 over 40 hands

So yeah, I folded, but I dunno what he raises here except for a slow-played set or A5... As I look back the low AF def makes this a fold, but I'm curious about firing a 2nd barrel

Villain is 38/13/2.0 over 52 hands...

I obv don't know how to play 99 from oop

v1.10Cows play poker with cow chips
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players

UTG Hero: $11.04
UTG+1 Da Watcher07: $10.00
CO DoctorFeelgood1: $5.47
Button gr8grns: $8.53
SB tediscus: $12.01
BB xropagnol: $14.27

Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with : : (6 players)
Hero raises to $0.40, Da Watcher07 folds, DoctorFeelgood1 calls $0.40, gr8grns calls $0.40, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.35) : : : (3 players)
Hero bets $0.80, DoctorFeelgood1 folds, gr8grns calls $0.80

Turn: ($2.95) : (2 players)
Hero checks, gr8grns bets $3.05, Hero??

Hi! Super excited to be here. And I think this should totally be in Gen Poker for maximum views.

First hand is fine James, 2nd I think calling or folding are both fine, I probably call. If you called what would your plan be for different rivers?

This is an awesome idea. I really hope this gains popularity.

James, first hand fold is fine. Second hand I prefer bet/folding the turn, and c/c'ing all blank rivers. There's a ton of draws and 65 type hands that we'll get value from on the turn but not the river.

I'd c/f spades, and some cards that hit straight draws and stuff

I can't see a "good river" that I'd c/c,like if an off suit 2 comes and he bets again I still don't think I'm good, but we'd look at the pot odds and such...

yes, I thought about bet/folding the turn and then the other hand had just happened, lol I know it's silly but I was ehhhh...


JK3A time


Also, does my new member title look like a fish?
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It does indeed

I'll try to post here while I can to support the other micro grinder, although I've been rocking sng's and limit holdem cash lately, not so much nl cash.

I support this getting moved to Gen. Poker

i agree that your member title does look like a fish.. and it very well represents u sir!

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 509656
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

UTG: $12.73
CO: $27.10
BTN: $7.91
Hero (SB): $11.54
BB: $8.45

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with Q Q
UTG raises to $0.30, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.40, 1 fold, UTG requests TIME, UTG calls $1.10, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.20) 6 9 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $2, UTG calls $2

Turn: ($7.20) 7 (2 players)



thoughts and line check please.

gotta love this one... i always run above expectation, LDO!!


Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 509657
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

MP: $12.08
CO: $10.00
BTN: $15.47
SB: $8.14
Hero (BB): $11.21
UTG: $10.20

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 9 J
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) J 4 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.40, Hero raises to $1.60, BTN calls $1.20

Turn: ($3.85) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.75, BTN raises to $13.57 all in, Hero calls $5.56 all in

River: ($22.47) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $22.47
BTN shows K 4 (a flush, King high)
Hero shows 9 J (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
BTN wins $20.98
(Rake: $1.49)

Bet/call-it off

So much of his range is PPs and whiffed overs and you only lose to 77 and 99, but you crush TT JJ etc. If you think he floats overs you can c/r or c/c but I think his range is heavily weight toward 88-JJ and we're crushing that range;)

Sizing: $4 would be my first thought.

Shove the turn. Villain is unlikely to have a 6x hand, AA and KK usually 4 bet preflop. Players at 10NL will call with TT, JJ, A9, and maybe 87 depending on how loose they open UTG and call a 3 bet.

We have $8 left and the pot is $7. I don't think villain's calling range is going to change no matter how much we bet, so we might as well bet the max.

This is probably a pretty noob question, but what kind of bankroll is considered micro limits? Anything under $1000? $500?

I wish I could be a cash-game grinder. But I run so bad in cash games, it's sickening. Over 10,000 hands and I've yet to make Kings profitable...

But for the sake of this thread, maybe I'll give it another go. GL!

I think the micros encompass like 25nl and below and small-stakes nl is 50nl to 200nl with mid-stakes starting at 400nl




Weeeeeee, gl

Last day of the month!

Please to be making hands! gogogogogogo

thoughts?

v1.10Dont have a cow, heres your converted hand
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players

UTG Hero: $10.71
UTG+1 goofy0077: $3.50
CO anonymous4770: $15.77
Button laukaxx: $13.41
SB Casperskii_2010: $10.05
BB balila87: $4.40

Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with : : (6 players)
Hero raises to $0.40, 4 folds, balila87 calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.85) : : : (2 players)
balila87 checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.85) : (2 players)
balila87 bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

River: ($1.65) : (2 players)
balila87 bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90

def start grinding again man, post any question u have and u can also post some of ur KK hands, we can look at them and maybe help u out some.

looks like he is vbetting half pot on both streets... i might cbet .40-.50 on flop, check back turn, and prolly fold river unimproved. also what are his stats?

new to table... first hand actually. ended up being 50/25/- over 4 hands... obv had Ax and left before the blind came around

Like the river is an obv fold... so I need to pull the trigger yo

def the big raise trigger and not the fold trigger

cbetting IP with KK on A82r is a very very bad play, DUCY?

agreed

you're down with calling the turn and folding the river?

I usually call river too, tbh. Lots of people think they can turn their PP into a bluff here because they are so sure we don't have an Ace. (Which is also why checking this flop with AK is good for balance)

Edit: Or they have total air and are firing for the same reason. Villain was BB, his range is almost ATC here.

i understand checking back flop and calling turn and river... but do we also need to cbet to balance out the times we do have AK and get villain to call down with a worse ace?..

if we check back flop with AK and villain leads turn and we raise... isnt he mostly folding his AxXx hands?

Well if you're playing under the "20 buyins for a level" rule which is a fair one to follow, then normally micros are 50nl and below, and small stakes is 100nl and 200nl.



IPITS, the river is a fold sometimes but calling is fine too.



Why would we want to balance our cbetting range with a hand that has such good showdown value? Cbet like JT here or hands that have no other real value, or like pocket 5's. KK has far too much value as the 2nd nut one pair hand in this spot.
And if we checked back AK why would we want to raise the turn? I mean it's easy to say "lol I has AK I raise". But really we're getting value maybe from AJ or a retard with an ace, while we lose a ton of money to AQ, sets, other two pairs, etc. definitely not a spot to raise AK on the turn this dry

10K hands isn't nearly a large enough sample size to determine anything. I'm not even sure if 30K is enough.

My 10k hands this month have been the ghey

So yeah... one last sess today and I'm gonna def play more in Feb

How do we not get stacks in on flop?

v1.10Feral Cow Poker
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players

UTG wyken: $10.15
UTG+1 Robbert_E: $7.79
CO Hero: $10.00
Button Melford: $9.04
SB Word126: $19.51
BB no3xcus3: $13.12

Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with : : (6 players)
wyken folds, Robbert_E calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, no3xcus3 calls $0.30, Robbert_E folds

Flop: ($0.95) : : : (2 players)
no3xcus3 checks, Hero bets $0.70, no3xcus3 calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.35) : (2 players)
no3xcus3 checks, Hero checks

River: ($2.35) : (2 players)
no3xcus3 checks, Hero checks

Hero showed : :, and won ($2.20) with three of a kind, Tens
no3xcus3 mucked : :
Hero won $2.20
(Rake: $0.15)

Silly double postaments

*insert strategic advice*

Not much you can do when bottom set decides to check/call you on a 2 flush/3straight board

Are you posting the hand twice to increase the villain's opportunity to raise the flop?

A challenge thread.

Lets do it.

I think you have to bet/fold on of those streets James, probably turn, most of his straight draws will have a nine in the hole anyways

Hold?

v1.10once a cow has a taste for violence, it reverts. it becomes feral.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 5 players

UTG Hero: $11.57
CO CoreGem: $10.87
Button wishtoker: $3.62
SB prawemit: $9.90
BB Paick_CZ: $4.51

Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with : : (5 players)
Hero raises to $0.40, CoreGem folds, wishtoker calls $0.40, prawemit folds, Paick_CZ calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.25) : : : (3 players)
Paick_CZ bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.50, wishtoker raises to $3.22, and is all in, Paick_CZ raises to $4.11, and is all in, Hero calls $2.61

Turn: ($12.69) : (3 players)

River: ($12.69) : (3 players)

Hero showed : :, and lost with a flush, Jack high
wishtoker showed : :, and lost with a flush, Ten high
Paick_CZ showed : :, and won ($11.85) with a flush, Queen high
Paick_CZ won $11.85
(Rake: $0.84)

And sigh...

v1.10Milked from the teat of a feral cow
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players

UTG DanielTeja: $10.34
UTG+1 Ch3ckMat3in3: $10.15
CO seabas85: $9.70
Button Hero: $13.92
SB aitor88: $13.53
BB Word126: $18.04

Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is Button with : : (6 players)
2 folds, seabas85 raises to $0.35, Hero calls $0.35, aitor88 calls $0.30, Word126 folds

Flop: ($1.15) : : : (3 players)
aitor88 bets $1.15, seabas85 raises to $4.60, Hero raises to $13.57, and is all in, aitor88 folds, seabas85 calls $4.75, and is all in

Turn: ($21.00) : (2 players)

River: ($21.00) : (2 players)

seabas85 showed : :, and won ($19.60) with three of a kind, Queens
Hero showed : :, and lost with three of a kind, Twos
seabas85 won $19.60
(Rake: $1.40)

January:

Not enough volume. Bad!
Lots of videos, HH reviews, talking poker etc. Good!

Graph: http://grab.by/27xJ.

10.7k hands at 10nl for -$26 -2.4bb/100


So online: ($26)
Rakeback: $39
Total $13

LOLive poker: $136

TOTAL: $149


February goals:

Keep focusing, studying and learning as much about poker as possible.
15k hands (20k ideally)
Get PT3 for mac and get rid of co-pilot

GL guys!

February tho!

+1

Also as you may well learn in this thread. I teach with tough love, the best way to learn is to learn it straight up imo. We all have to leave our egos at the door.

January was not a great month. I did profit, it just wasn't as good as December, but that's how it goes sometimes.

Feb. Goals:

Play more hands.
Play less tournaments (maybe one or two on the weekends).
Get ready to move up to 10NL
Watch more videos on DC (any recommendations would be appreciated).
Try to post my own hands here more often.
PROFIT, PROFIT, PROFIT!!


January's Graph:

Villain is a fairly bad reg, 27/16/2.7 over 300 hands with the following notes

raised UTG and called 56/28's UTG+1 3bet, got it all in with 5-7 on 997x board
4betshoves AK over small 3bet
flats QQ IP to 3bet squeeze, shoves over cbet on TT3 flop

Dont have a cow, heres your converted hand
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.50/$1 - 5 players

UTG: $100.00
CO: $128.00 (Hero)
Button: $74.25
SB: $100.00
BB: $61.05

Preflop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with (5 players)
UTG raises to $4, Hero calls $4, 3 folds

Flop: ($9.50) (2 players)
UTG bets $7, Hero raises to $20, UTG calls $13

Turn: ($49.50) (2 players)
UTG bets $76, and is all in

Hi! Playing live and posting from phone!

I think it's a fold babs, like in your notes he likes to get it in light but generally one pair or something like a made hand

If all your outs are clean you have 15 outs for like 30% and getting 1.67-1 you need 37%