Button is loose and overplays his hands. Seen him Check/raise weak hands and turn/raise semi-bluff.

5/10 (6 handed)

Preflop: I get delt T ,8 in the BB.
Everyone folds to the button who raises, SB folds, I call.

Im pretty sure he has a hand. He normally limps garbage preflop.

Flop: (4.5sb) T ,8 ,7
I check, Button bets, I call.

Turn: (3.25BB) K
I bet, Button raises, I 3-bet, Button caps, I call.

River: (11.25BB) A

Again, I don't understand one of your plays.
Check-raise that flop all day
FPS! FPS!

Oh, and you can't bet on the river if the turn was capped. There's a lot of hands that beat you, just call it down

I don't mind not check raising the flop. He thinks the guy has a hand there. Your playing shorthanded. Why not wait till the turn to hit it?

If I had to guess, I'd say he had a set.

wrto's read though that he overplays hands? I bet the river.

I guess I'd be worried about the flush draw. Lots of good hands have one...why not charge a bigger price?

I didn't even see the flush draw. Shows how much I pay attention........

Im no expert, but wouldnt check calling the flop and check raising the turn be better?

btw, wrto, you're the one that told me that you should almost always bet the river...why wouldnt you bet here?

Because im a pussy and in the midst of a 130BB downswing.

Someone did a great post about check/raising the turn. I don't do it much anymore, as an example, see how many bets I got it on the turn, here, where I may have gotten 0-2 instead of 1-3 by check/raising.

It's an aggressive player. Aggressive players raise the donk bet.

As for everyone talking about the flush draw...come on...he has 2 hearts 10% of the time. It's a pretty small pot, I want a big one.

EDIT: Betting the flop may be something to consider.

So Im not the only one who has those?

would you c/r a passive player that has a hand?

I didn't tell you about my 250BB downswing about a month ago. It's a brutal game.

Anyway, I think this river is a clear value bet. I ran some stuff through pokerstove and with AA-99, KQ, KJ, KT, and AT I have a 60% equity on the river. All I need is 50% heads up to make a bet correct.

However, does anyone like a b/c-b/r/r-b/c line instead of c/c-b/r/r-b/c?

If I think he will bet the turn, yes.

how are you getting 30% equity pre-flop?

anyway, as for the post flop play

i would bet call the flop
bet raise the turn.
bet call the river.

wrong on both accounts

check raising this flop sucks.
i like bet/call
then check/call
then check/raise

in that order

and bet/call the river is pretty standard

--------------equity---------win--------tie------------
Hand 1: 29.4228% [00.29 00.01] {T8o}
Hand 2: 70.5772% [00.70 00.01] {AA-99, AKs-ATs, KQs-KTs, QJs-QTs, JTs, AKo-ATo, KQo-KTo, QJo-QTo, JTo}

That's how. :-)



As for the river bet, im doing some more simulations and its closer than i thought because of the turn cap. JJ and QQ are kinda iffy.

what is pokerstove ?



I definately like the second one better, although im still not convinced about it not being c/c-c/r/rr-b

My logic is this:

I think if u check raise he might still three bet with a lot of hands, he is agressive afterall right? then you can cap and bet the river and he will almost certainly only call. if he caps, he takes the advantage from you and betting the river becomes a bit scary, specially when that A falls.

I still think there isnt a huge difference between my play and your second option though, the important part I think is the river bet.

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It's more likely that he raises a bet than a check/raise.

Also, betting the flop gets me an extra SB in when he has QQ or AA or KK and raises...the times the turn or river isnt an ace or king or 7.

I like b/c-b/r/r-b/c better, I think - after check-calling the flop, any turn card higher than a 5, or any heart, might scare him if he has just one pair and you suddenly wake up. Leading the flop puts money in while still hiding your true strength, I think.

I'm not sure about value-betting the river here - unless he's hyper-aggressive, I doubt he caps the turn after your stop-n-go without at least a pair of kings, which means you can only beat KQ, KJ, or K9 (or maybe something like A9h). Also, you left 77 off your list of his possible holdings - would he not have raised preflop with it?

First off bet that flop. He raised on the button, you called from the SB. You betting there isn't going to scare him off one bit if he has a hand.

The turn..I just don't know. I've read the hand over atleast 20 times now and I just don't know what to make of it. He raised the button but it was to all folds so this very well could be a blind steal with a hand like K9 K8 K7, A7 A8 A9. I would definately raise the blind with any of those holdings. I really don't think you are up against a PP.

You know I was going to say Check/Call the river but I just don't believe you are beat. Everything in the hand would be telling me to check/call and that would probably have been the action that I would have taken. I then would have laughed as he turned over his hand thinking damn I should have bet that river.

So bet the flop.
Turn is good.
River bet, if re-raised then call and hope to god he didn't hit Kx or Ax garbage to beat you.

I am going to throw out he had one of the following hands.

KQ hearts
A9 hearts
K9

MrNiceGuy...I ran this for the river.

---------------equity------win------tie------------
Hand 1: 65.6250% [00.66 00.00] {Ts8c}
Hand 2: 34.3750% [00.34 00.00] {AA-KK, TT-99, AKs, KQs-K9s, AK0, KQo-K9o}

Looks like a bet is pretty standard.

If I took out K9s, K9o, and 99, it says I have a 52.1739% equity. Talk about a thin value bet.

I know...I know...



I'm not certain, but I don't think he's that aggressive preflop. This is a blind theft situation, though...so I kinda wonder.

so you did read that hand that mr nickle posted on a blind defense of his. this line looks familiar, me likey, me likey a lot

Wow - Ok, looks like a value bet is correct then.

Worst case 52% Number looks right -
12 KQ + 12 KJ = 24 ways you win
3 AA + 3 KK + 1 TT + 9 AK + 6 KT = 22 ways you lose

Removed double post.

ive been spending so much time in HUSH. Link me, I dont know what you're talking about.

Another double post - not sure where that came from.

If you bet though he will call with holdings you can beat but raise anything that beats you.

I think calling any raise pushes you back into -EV.

Can you fold to a raise here?

This is usually the case but because, as WRTO said, the other guy seems to overvalue many of his hands so he may be raising here even without the best hand. Just my opinion.

So what was the result of the hand? I think the thread has slowed to a stop.

I check/call the river and Button shows AKo.

Here's my take on the hand. The call preflop is fine. You can extract enough postflop to make up for any deficiencies preflop.

Possible FPS on the flop. Betting or check/raising doesn't do much here that you can't accomplish better on the turn. If they have a draw or a piece of it you make more on the turn and they are unlikely to fold either of these. The only time you lose money is if they have something like KQo and the turn is a 4 or similar. Then, they are unlikely to bet if checked too and won't raise if bet into. Either take is fine IMO, though I prefer getting the money in on the flop when I know they aren't going to go anywhere (check/raise for me)

With the K coming, the gay bet is great. If they have something like KQ, KJ or AK they're almost guaranteed to raise it and it allows you to 3-bet it. The cap is worrisome though. Unless the guy was in the habit of capping with only top pair good kicker like KJ here I'd have to slow down some. The only one pair hands I see capping here are AA, AK, and KQ, KJ, or JQ of hearts, though I think the JQ is highly unlikely. He might also cap with any KQ but I personally doubt it. Any other hand he could cap with has you drawing dead or nearly dead.

The river is a horrible, horrible card for your hand. The only hands I think he could have capped with that you are still ahead of are one KQ and one KJ while there are 22 or so hands that he could have that beat you (3*AA, 3*KK, 9*AK, 6*K10, 1*1010) With this I think you have to check/call and hope he WAY overplayed KJ or KQ.

Only calling the 3-bet on the turn and I lead again on the river unless the K pairs. I would call any raise obviously too.

On the river though, it is close and in the heat of the moment, I may have still bet and then called a raise but I'm not sure with the turn cap. Someone mentioned folding to a raise and that is HORRIBLE. They only have to overplay a hand about 7% of the time for a call to be profitable at that point and think they could do that enough you have to call. I don't think they overplay a hand often enough for you to be a favorite at the river though.

I think the river killed you and he made two pair or trips there. The pot's big enough you have to call a bet and hope for the best.

Just looked at the results, ouch, runner runner to get beat... I think you were right in not betting though.

Zara

You probably don't want to hear this, especially from me, but I think preflop call is kind of loose. The fact that he's a maniac / bluffer type doesn't really change a whole lot as unless he's raising with absolute crap, you're still behind. Yes you have the odds to play, but he has position, and with the exception of a couple boards, you're almost never going to know if you're winning.

However that said, the cards on the board: 7 8 T K A. Usually the type of hands you think he'd raise (AA-99, AKs-ATs, KQs-KTs, QJs-QTs, JTs, AKo-ATo, KQo-KTo, QJo-QTo, JTo), leave you in one of 2 situations (hands in paren's one you left out, but he could easily raise PF imo)

You are losing to: AA, KK, TT, (88, 77), AK, AT, (A8, A7), KT, JQ, or 44 (68) hands.
You are beating: QQ, JJ, 99, AQ, AJ, (A9), KQ, KJ, (K9), QT, JT, or 82 (106) hands.

However, If he has a hand you are losing to he will raise, and without clairavoyance, you are going to call. And of the ones he is losing with, QQ, JJ, 99, KJ, (K9), QT, JT could all easily fold, but based off of your read of him would likely bet the river if you checked. Counting them as 1/2, reduces the winning pile from 82 (106) to 59 (77).

So if you bet, based off your hand set you put him on: 44 hands will raise (-2 BB), 59 will call (+1 BB), which results in -0.28 BB by my math. Based on a slightly increased hand set, 68 will raise (-2 BB), 77 will call (+1 BB), which results in -0.41 BB.

If you just check, he will always bet (except possibly QT, JT, 99). If you raise at that point, it would probably just follow the path from above. If you call, then all 126 (174) hands he could have will bet, but of those, you'll win for 82 (106) of them, resulting in +0.3 (+0.22) BB.

I'm sure you'll call me weak/tight again but IMO betting only increases the pot for when you're losing. He is probably the type to bet any pair on the river, so why not let him, as he certainly won't raise with most medium hands (TQ, AJ, etc), so you are still getting the 1 BB in that situation either way, but when you're losing you lose only 1 BB not 2.

He's defending his BB in a shorthanded game (6-max)

10-8 is an easy call against competent and/or agressive players.