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MaxStPolish
I know reading 7-stud hands horrible in script...
essentially, even though my hand plays totally 1 sided is it right to be capping this pot through 5th street?
My thinking is that I'm very strong right now for the top half of the pot, and there's 3 players who all look like they are chasing low, one who seems to have 3 wheel cards. As such since these others are coming along for the ride, i want to jam the pot out the gate to get half a pot as frothy as possible?

I know the fundamental thought in stud/8 is play to scoop. This hand pretty much cannot scoop. But if you have 5 people that want to playing and you get dealt QQQ out the gate, is it not smart to be in cap mode (obv, this play is bad if the other players all fold off, but being that they show low skills and will stay in for streets worth of drawing i thought it made sense).

PokerStars Game #35438551884: Tournament #212219685, $3.00+$0.30 USD HORSE (7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit) - Level V (60/120) - 2009/11/16 13:33:01 ET
Table '212219685 18' 8-max
Seat 1: tommi1212 (4571 in chips)
Seat 2: Cedobad (2198 in chips)
Seat 3: boudyboude (2804 in chips)
Seat 4: RasJoBo (875 in chips)
Seat 5: Ressehsif (580 in chips)
Seat 6: MaxStPolish (3677 in chips)
Seat 7: paleninja (2132 in chips)
Seat 8: toun29 (3062 in chips)
Ressehsif: posts the ante 12
MaxStPolish: posts the ante 12
paleninja: posts the ante 12
toun29: posts the ante 12
tommi1212: posts the ante 12
Cedobad: posts the ante 12
boudyboude: posts the ante 12
RasJoBo: posts the ante 12
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to tommi1212 [2h]
Dealt to Cedobad [4d]
Dealt to boudyboude [Ah]
Dealt to RasJoBo [As]
Dealt to Ressehsif [6h]
Dealt to MaxStPolish [Qh Qs Qc]
Dealt to paleninja [4s]
Dealt to toun29 [Tc]
tommi1212: brings in for 18
Cedobad: folds
boudyboude: calls 18
RasJoBo: raises 42 to 60
Ressehsif: calls 60
MaxStPolish: raises 60 to 120
paleninja: folds
toun29: calls 120
paleninja is sitting out
tommi1212: calls 102
boudyboude: calls 102
RasJoBo: raises 60 to 180
Ressehsif: calls 120
MaxStPolish: raises 60 to 240
Betting is capped
toun29: folds
tommi1212: calls 120
boudyboude: calls 120
RasJoBo: calls 60
Ressehsif: calls 60
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to tommi1212 [2h] [9s]
Dealt to boudyboude [Ah] [8c]
Dealt to RasJoBo [As] [4c]
Dealt to Ressehsif [6h] [Qd]
Dealt to MaxStPolish [Qh Qs Qc] [7h]
boudyboude: checks
RasJoBo: bets 60
Ressehsif: calls 60
MaxStPolish: raises 60 to 120
tommi1212: calls 120
boudyboude: calls 120
RasJoBo: raises 60 to 180
Ressehsif: calls 120
MaxStPolish: raises 60 to 240
Betting is capped
tommi1212: calls 120
boudyboude: calls 120
RasJoBo: calls 60
Ressehsif: calls 60
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to tommi1212 [2h 9s] [2c]
Dealt to boudyboude [Ah 8c] [Td]
Dealt to RasJoBo [As 4c] [5c]
Dealt to Ressehsif [6h Qd] [Ts]
Dealt to MaxStPolish [Qh Qs Qc 7h] [Jd]
tommi1212: checks
boudyboude: checks
RasJoBo: bets 120
Ressehsif: calls 88 and is all-in
MaxStPolish: raises 120 to 240
tommi1212: raises 120 to 360
boudyboude: calls 360
RasJoBo: raises 23 to 383 and is all-in
Betting is capped
MaxStPolish: calls 143
tommi1212: calls 23
boudyboude: calls 23
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to tommi1212 [2h 9s 2c] [2s]
Dealt to boudyboude [Ah 8c Td] [Ks]
Dealt to RasJoBo [As 4c 5c] [6s]
Dealt to Ressehsif [6h Qd Ts] [8d]
Dealt to MaxStPolish [Qh Qs Qc 7h Jd] [Kc]
tommi1212: bets 120
boudyboude: calls 120
MaxStPolish: calls 120
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to MaxStPolish [Qh Qs Qc 7h Jd Kc] [3h]
paleninja has returned
tommi1212: bets 120
boudyboude: calls 120
MaxStPolish: calls 120
rrumsey
Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 Limit Stud Hi/Lo Tournament - t60/t120 Limit + t12 - 8 players - View hand 371614
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Seat 1: t4571 M = 24.58
Seat 2: t2198 M = 11.82
Seat 3: t2804 M = 15.08
Seat 4: t875 M = 4.70
Seat 5: t580 M = 3.12
Hero (): t3677 M = 19.77
Seat 7: t2132 M = 11.46
Seat 8: t3062 M = 16.46

3rd Street: (1.6 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 2 :heart:____Seat 1 brings in for $18____Seat 1 calls____Seat 1 calls
Seat 2: xx xx 4 :diamond:____Seat 2 folds
Seat 3: xx xx A :heart:____Seat 3 calls____Seat 3 calls____Seat 3 calls
Seat 4: xx xx A :spade:____Seat 4 raises____Seat 4 caps!____Seat 4 calls
Seat 5: xx xx 6 :heart:____Seat 5 calls____Seat 5 calls____Seat 5 calls
Hero: Q icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_spade.gif Q :club:___Hero 3-bets___Hero caps!
Seat 7: xx xx 4 :spade:____Seat 7 folds
Seat 8: xx xx T :club:____Seat 8 calls____Seat 8 folds

4th Street: (23.6 SB) (5 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 2 icon_suit_heart.gif 9 :spade:____Seat 1 calls____Seat 1 calls
Seat 3: xx xx A icon_suit_heart.gif 8 :club:____Seat 3 checks____Seat 3 calls____Seat 3 calls
Seat 4: xx xx A icon_suit_spade.gif 4 :club:____Seat 4 bets____Seat 4 3-bets____Seat 4 calls
Seat 5: xx xx 6 icon_suit_heart.gif Q :diamond:____Seat 5 calls____Seat 5 calls____Seat 5 calls
Hero: Q icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_spade.gif Q icon_suit_club.gif 7 :heart:___Hero raises___Hero caps!

5th Street: (21.8 BB) (5 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 2 icon_suit_heart.gif 9 icon_suit_spade.gif 2 :club:____Seat 1 checks____Seat 1 3-bets____Seat 1 calls
Seat 3: xx xx A icon_suit_heart.gif 8 icon_suit_club.gif T :diamond:____Seat 3 checks____Seat 3 calls____Seat 3 calls
Seat 4: xx xx A icon_suit_spade.gif 4 icon_suit_club.gif 5 :club:____Seat 4 bets____Seat 4 raises all in
Seat 5: xx xx 6 icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_diamond.gif T :spade:____Seat 5 calls all in
Hero: Q icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_spade.gif Q icon_suit_club.gif 7 icon_suit_heart.gif J :diamond:___Hero raises___Hero calls

6th Street: (35.3 BB) (5 players - 2 are all in)
Seat 1: xx xx 2 icon_suit_heart.gif 9 icon_suit_spade.gif 2 icon_suit_club.gif 2 :spade:____Seat 1 bets
Seat 3: xx xx A icon_suit_heart.gif 8 icon_suit_club.gif T icon_suit_diamond.gif K :spade:____Seat 3 calls
Seat 4: xx xx A icon_suit_spade.gif 4 icon_suit_club.gif 5 icon_suit_club.gif 6 icon_suit_spade.gif
Seat 5: xx xx 6 icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_diamond.gif T icon_suit_spade.gif 8 icon_suit_diamond.gif
Hero: Q icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_spade.gif Q icon_suit_club.gif 7 icon_suit_heart.gif J icon_suit_diamond.gif K :club:___Hero calls

7th Street: (38.3 BB) (5 players - 2 are all in)
Seat 1: xx xx 2 icon_suit_heart.gif 9 icon_suit_spade.gif 2 icon_suit_club.gif 2 icon_suit_spade.gif xx____Seat 1 bets
Seat 3: xx xx A icon_suit_heart.gif 8 icon_suit_club.gif T icon_suit_diamond.gif K icon_suit_spade.gif xx____Seat 3 calls
Seat 4: xx xx A icon_suit_spade.gif 4 icon_suit_club.gif 5 icon_suit_club.gif 6 icon_suit_spade.gif xx
Seat 5: xx xx 6 icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_diamond.gif T icon_suit_spade.gif 8 icon_suit_diamond.gif xx
Hero: Q icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_spade.gif Q icon_suit_club.gif 7 icon_suit_heart.gif J icon_suit_diamond.gif K icon_suit_club.gif 3 :heart:___Hero calls


Meh, you never at any point have a low, you have a chance at the high pot (if seat one isn't full) but you never win the low seat 4 is probably getting that, but we face the chance of him scooping outright with a low st8.

That being said i think it is pretty nitty to fold out on 6th so we kind of commit ourselves to calling on 7th.

This hand is kind of strong enough to lose a few more bets on the late streets so it is a marginal call i guess without reads on how tight villains are

up until 5 i keep capping like you did you said it yourself you have the 3rd best high hand to start out so yes try and cap and get thin out the crowd
KingJames
QUOTE (MaxStPolish @ Monday, November 16th, 2009, 11:42 AM) *
I know reading 7-stud hands horrible in script...
essentially, even though my hand plays totally 1 sided is it right to be capping this pot through 5th street?
My thinking is that I'm very strong right now for the top half of the pot, and there's 3 players who all look like they are chasing low, one who seems to have 3 wheel cards. As such since these others are coming along for the ride, i want to jam the pot out the gate to get half a pot as frothy as possible?

I know the fundamental thought in stud/8 is play to scoop. This hand pretty much cannot scoop. But if you have 5 people that want to playing and you get dealt QQQ out the gate, is it not smart to be in cap mode (obv, this play is bad if the other players all fold off, but being that they show low skills and will stay in for streets worth of drawing i thought it made sense).


With regard to scooping; yes that is the primary goal. But with hi-only hand like rolled-up queens, you're looking for exactly the situation you have here, multiway with multiple villains going low.

QUOTE (rrumsey @ Monday, November 16th, 2009, 2:52 PM) *
Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 Limit Stud Hi/Lo Tournament - t60/t120 Limit + t12 - 8 players - View hand 371614
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Seat 1: t4571 M = 24.58
Seat 2: t2198 M = 11.82
Seat 3: t2804 M = 15.08
Seat 4: t875 M = 4.70
Seat 5: t580 M = 3.12
Hero (): t3677 M = 19.77
Seat 7: t2132 M = 11.46
Seat 8: t3062 M = 16.46

3rd Street: (1.6 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 2 :heart:____Seat 1 brings in for $18____Seat 1 calls____Seat 1 calls
Seat 2: xx xx 4 :diamond:____Seat 2 folds
Seat 3: xx xx A :heart:____Seat 3 calls____Seat 3 calls____Seat 3 calls
Seat 4: xx xx A :spade:____Seat 4 raises____Seat 4 caps!____Seat 4 calls
Seat 5: xx xx 6 :heart:____Seat 5 calls____Seat 5 calls____Seat 5 calls
Hero: Q icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_spade.gif Q :club:___Hero 3-bets___Hero caps!
Seat 7: xx xx 4 :spade:____Seat 7 folds
Seat 8: xx xx T :club:____Seat 8 calls____Seat 8 folds

4th Street: (23.6 SB) (5 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 2 icon_suit_heart.gif 9 :spade:____Seat 1 calls____Seat 1 calls
Seat 3: xx xx A icon_suit_heart.gif 8 :club:____Seat 3 checks____Seat 3 calls____Seat 3 calls
Seat 4: xx xx A icon_suit_spade.gif 4 :club:____Seat 4 bets____Seat 4 3-bets____Seat 4 calls
Seat 5: xx xx 6 icon_suit_heart.gif Q :diamond:____Seat 5 calls____Seat 5 calls____Seat 5 calls
Hero: Q icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_spade.gif Q icon_suit_club.gif 7 :heart:___Hero raises___Hero caps!

5th Street: (21.8 BB) (5 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 2 icon_suit_heart.gif 9 icon_suit_spade.gif 2 :club:____Seat 1 checks____Seat 1 3-bets____Seat 1 calls
Seat 3: xx xx A icon_suit_heart.gif 8 icon_suit_club.gif T :diamond:____Seat 3 checks____Seat 3 calls____Seat 3 calls
Seat 4: xx xx A icon_suit_spade.gif 4 icon_suit_club.gif 5 :club:____Seat 4 bets____Seat 4 raises all in
Seat 5: xx xx 6 icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_diamond.gif T :spade:____Seat 5 calls all in
Hero: Q icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_spade.gif Q icon_suit_club.gif 7 icon_suit_heart.gif J :diamond:___Hero raises___Hero calls

6th Street: (35.3 BB) (5 players - 2 are all in)
Seat 1: xx xx 2 icon_suit_heart.gif 9 icon_suit_spade.gif 2 icon_suit_club.gif 2 :spade:____Seat 1 bets
Seat 3: xx xx A icon_suit_heart.gif 8 icon_suit_club.gif T icon_suit_diamond.gif K :spade:____Seat 3 calls
Seat 4: xx xx A icon_suit_spade.gif 4 icon_suit_club.gif 5 icon_suit_club.gif 6 icon_suit_spade.gif
Seat 5: xx xx 6 icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_diamond.gif T icon_suit_spade.gif 8 icon_suit_diamond.gif
Hero: Q icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_spade.gif Q icon_suit_club.gif 7 icon_suit_heart.gif J icon_suit_diamond.gif K :club:___Hero calls

7th Street: (38.3 BB) (5 players - 2 are all in)
Seat 1: xx xx 2 icon_suit_heart.gif 9 icon_suit_spade.gif 2 icon_suit_club.gif 2 icon_suit_spade.gif xx____Seat 1 bets
Seat 3: xx xx A icon_suit_heart.gif 8 icon_suit_club.gif T icon_suit_diamond.gif K icon_suit_spade.gif xx____Seat 3 calls
Seat 4: xx xx A icon_suit_spade.gif 4 icon_suit_club.gif 5 icon_suit_club.gif 6 icon_suit_spade.gif xx
Seat 5: xx xx 6 icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_diamond.gif T icon_suit_spade.gif 8 icon_suit_diamond.gif xx
Hero: Q icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_spade.gif Q icon_suit_club.gif 7 icon_suit_heart.gif J icon_suit_diamond.gif K icon_suit_club.gif 3 :heart:___Hero calls


Meh, you never at any point have a low, you have a chance at the high pot (if seat one isn't full) but you never win the low seat 4 is probably getting that, but we face the chance of him scooping outright with a low st8.

That being said i think it is pretty nitty to fold out on 6th so we kind of commit ourselves to calling on 7th.

This hand is kind of strong enough to lose a few more bets on the late streets so it is a marginal call i guess without reads on how tight villains are

up until 5 i keep capping like you did you said it yourself you have the 3rd best high hand to start out so yes try and cap and get thin out the crowd



Not much you can do, if seat one has a boat or if someone flushed it sucks but you were in a good spot here and bricked.
KingJames
And ffs rrumsey use the damn feralcow converter... feralcowpoker.com
rcgs59
QUOTE (KingJames @ Thursday, November 19th, 2009, 4:56 PM) *
And ffs rrumsey use the damn feralcow converter... feralcowpoker.com


Feral Cow Poker
PokerStars Limit Stud Hi/Lo ($3.00+$0.30) t60/t120 ante t12 - 8 players

Seat 1 tommi1212: t4,571 [X] [X] 2h.gif 9s.gif 2c.gif 2s.gif
Seat 2 Cedobad: t2,198 [X] [X] 4d.gif
Seat 3 boudyboude: t2,804 [X] [X] ah.gif 8c.gif td.gif ks.gif
Seat 4 RasJoBo: t875 [X] [X] as.gif 4c.gif 5c.gif 6s.gif
Seat 5 Ressehsif: t580 [X] [X] 6h.gif qd.gif ts.gif 8d.gif
Seat 6 Hero: t3,677 [qh.gif] [qs.gif] qc.gif 7h.gif jd.gif kc.gif [3h.gif]
Seat 7 paleninja: t2,132 [X] [X] 4s.gif
Seat 8 toun29: t3,062 [X] [X] tc.gif

3rd Street: (t96) (8 players)
tommi1212 brings, Cedobad folds, boudyboude calls t18, RasJoBo raises to t60, Ressehsif calls t60, Hero raises to t120, paleninja folds, toun29 calls t120, tommi1212 calls t102, boudyboude calls t102, RasJoBo raises to t180, Ressehsif calls t120, Hero raises to t240, toun29 folds, tommi1212 calls t120, boudyboude calls t120, RasJoBo calls t60, Ressehsif calls t60

4th Street: (t1,398) (5 players)
boudyboude checks, RasJoBo bets t60, Ressehsif calls t60, Hero raises to t120, tommi1212 calls t120, boudyboude calls t120, RasJoBo raises to t180, Ressehsif calls t120, Hero raises to t240, tommi1212 calls t120, boudyboude calls t120, RasJoBo calls t60, Ressehsif calls t60

5th Street: (t2,598) (5 players)
tommi1212 checks, boudyboude checks, RasJoBo bets t120, Ressehsif calls t88 and is all-in, Hero raises to t240, tommi1212 raises to t360, boudyboude calls t360, RasJoBo raises to t383 and is all-in, Hero calls t143, tommi1212 calls t23, boudyboude calls t23

6th Street: (t4,218) (5 players)
tommi1212 bets t120, boudyboude calls t120, Hero calls t120

much better tool lol, and I agree , totally as played
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