Hand leaves me kind of puzzled as to what should be the right action PF. The reraiser seemed like a standard TAG doing nothing out of line. Shortie seemed donkish. Do i 4 bet, call or fold ?

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saw flop

UTG ($39.65)
MP1 ($9.25)
MP2 ($50)
CO ($10.50)
Button ($50.45)
Hero (SB) ($50.25)
BB ($10.40)



Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q
1 fold, MP1 bets $2, MP2 raises to $5.50, 2 folds, Hero ??? ,

smooth call and see the flop is what i would do... look for the set or all low cards but still be scared of aces or kings....

i dont really prefer smooth calling OOP ... i prefer a 4 bet and maybe fold to a 5 bet/shove... depending on reads and such

but i have been known to donk off with QQ

cold call the three bet just like you would with AA/KK and proceed with caution

i dont think i have ever called a 3 bet with AA or KK...

i might should learn that play

4-bet to $18

There's no real answer on how to play hands. Each hand is unique and should be played induvidually depending on the situation. Just don't fold it!!

hahahaha thats funny... damm donk with queens lol jk

You definately should if you play 25NL or above

depending on how tight villain is, 4 bet or cold call but both are risky, void of reads I 4 bet

Just the opposite for me. Void of reads I flat... the 3bet came right after the PFR, still from EP/MP, and was not large, meaning he wants the original raiser to stick around. This smacks of AA/KK/AK and nothing wider... so flat and eval the flop - we're getting odds to set mine here.

Just because you have queens doesn't mean it is correct to stack off.

say the original raiser was a fish... u wouldnt 3 bet with JJ or 1010 there in the 3 bet spot....

its hard to say that its AA/KK/AK and nothing wider...

Yeah i agree on this, i thought he could have like TT-JJ and AQ/AK trying to isolate the donk shorstack. So i went ahead and 4 bet to 14. Both players folded

This is why I hate FR cash, but no, I usually don't 3bet JJ/TT EP to an UTG opener. That might be a leak.

Even if it isn't only AA/KK/AK, I'm not sure I see the value in a 4bet. Is villain going to call with JJ-99? Probably not. He's more likely to 5bet bluff us with those hands than he is to flat, and we might have to fold the best hand. So we're folding out the worst hands, and only getting called/raised by hands that crush us, or that are flipping with position. And we're certainly not going to stack a villain who flats our 4bet with AK, aside from some miracle flop like QKK.

Maybe some more dedicated FR regs can help me out with this, but I'm really not seeing much value in anything other than a call here.

Smooth call and value own MP2 a non-A flop because he's the one with $.

smooth calling also allows mp1 to call pretty much any decent holding/suited connectors/midpair....

the flop comes J 10 7.... then were like wtf OOP....another reason i dont like smooth calling


4 bet to $15 and if MP2 shoves prolly fold.... thats my line.


EDIT: if i did have AA or KK i could understand flatting and have MP1 shove then MP2 calls and we reshove.

i kno its not... thats why i laughed cuz he said he does

I would feel fairly confident that the 3 bettor felt like his raise would most likely result in a heads up match up him vs the original raiser who has stack size of 9.25. His raise was to 5.50 so it pretty much forces the original raiser to make a commitment to the hand preflop. That being said I feel like his range could be 99-AA, AK, AQ, and maybe KQs. I feel like we'd fair pretty well versus this range so I'd stick the 4th bet in there. The problem is we are out of position, but I feel as though we have to give the 3 bettor a chance to fold his hand here. Same token, I never play no limit very often so my advice is probably not very good.

I agree with this part, but that what's make me hesitant to 4bet with, well, anything.

Think about how the likely action will go. Sure, we will get outflopped sometimes, but we also do a great job of committing nearly every worse hand on almost every flop. We also draw extra $ in.




As far as the other comment went about set mining, you'll nearly never have the correct odds to set mine by cold calling a three bet. Your hand has to have some large immediate showdown value to play against a 3bet when you have yet to enter the pot. The reason for this is

a) You will not stack the other person every time you hit a set, and getting 10:1, you would have to get them all in on the flop every single time you hit a set
b ) The pot can be re-opened, which shoots a) to hell even if you somehow manage it.


Droberts, I don't recommend starting to just flat 3bets with high pairs in situations where you have entered the pot already... just in situations where you are facing a 3bet cold.

Wrong thread, please ignore or delete.

stfu

show me ONE HH where u dumped QQ preflop.

You don't fold queens on flop to a raise like this, you just don't. Viva, if you've folded queens here that's a leak I'd try to fix asap.

Villain is 6/6 over 110 hands, first 4 bet that I noticed...

v1.08Moooooooooooraaawwwr.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.02/$0.05 - 8 players

UTG+1 blokkak47: $1.00
MP scotto9593: $2.02
HJ gatubelinha: $6.26
CO dumb cow: $2.00
Button Papa1245: $7.78
BB eFrisbee: $2.10
UTG Hero: $5.00

Preflop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG with (8 players)
2 folds, gatubelinha raises to $0.20, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.60, gatubelinha raises to $1.35, Hero folds

gatubelinha won $1.27
(Rake: $0)

Silly converter messing up the positions again... doubt I'm UTG...

Feral Cow Poker Hand Converter
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players

UTG+1: $78.65
CO: $94.60
Button: $50.50 (Hero)
SB: $26.10
BB: $52.75
UTG: $53.40

Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is Button with (6 players)
2 folds, CO raises to $1.75, Hero raises to $6, SB folds, BB calls $5.50, CO raises to $24.25, Hero folds, BB calls $18.25

Flop: ($54.75) (2 players)
BB checks, CO bets $19, BB raises to $28.50, and is all in, CO calls $9.50

Turn: ($111.75) (2 players)

River: ($111.75) (2 players)

CO showed , and won ($108.75) with a full house, Eights full of Aces
BB showed , and lost with a full house, Eights full of Kings
CO won $108.75
(Rake: $3)


I'm such a n00b I woulda floppeded the sailbaot

That's a totally different hand and we're not even heads up. Here we're getting a raise 1,5 times our own, close to a min raise. In TNs hand we raise, get a call and then someone 4-bet us 5 times our raise.

Nice fold though.

ok so i posted in the other thread first, then saw this one..

If i was in this situation. looking at the opening raise from MP1 and leaving himself 7 dollars is kinda what shapes this hand.

MP2 should realize that MP1 isnt going to just call the raise. but rather move all in.

so MP2 is obv preped for that.


Now. MP1 re-raise for 3.50 more all in is at least 50% of the inital raise and therefore re-opens the betting to MP2.

so you could look at a cold call of 5 dollars as a safe way to fold queens if MP2 comes over the top once more.

but you'll be kicking yourself when they both turn over AK/AK

and since i usually win every hand i play i'd rather play this one..


my advice is to re-pop to 18 preflop. have MP1 call off all in with AK.. MP2 folds his AK.. and you win mobneys

and anyone who is about to reply with "wouldnt you want MP2 to cbet?"

No.. i dont. because he wont. if it goes to the flop and he misses. he isnt Cbeting. unless he is a moron. but you havent specified that.

infact. he is more liable to re-pop preflop with AK if u flat call, and MP1 shoves. which would most likely force u off your hand

this is an example thats fun. but yet so far from our actual issue in this hand.

because of your position in this hand, its actually easy.

I know it was a supereasy fold and doesn't relate to the actual hand... but somebody said "I DAREZ JOO TO SHOW ME TO FOLD ZE QUEENS WITHOUT TO SEE THE FLOOP" so I did

i missed this the first time around. pretty LOLz.

But yea. this is a fine way to play this hand. Infact, its better than fine.

if anyone can tell me why this was the ultimate line, i'll send them nudes.






how many tables are you playing at once when you normally play?

12-16 if TAG

8 if LAG

all 6-max



I was going to stick to my guns about cold calling anyhow, no need to re-enforce my position

questions.

knowing what we know about the actual results.. How do you play the following. Keeping in mind of the "real results"

you cold call.

MP1 folds.

flop comes 10h, 6h,5s.

action on you...


Q1- are you c/r here because you're hoping to get a Cbet from AK/AQ..
or
Q2 - are you leading the flop?


next step

Q1 - you check flop. villain bet 11. you do what?

Q2 - you lead flop wit a bet of 9 villain flats. Turn is 6c.. you do what?

I never donk bet, and with Q's on a board like that I'm c-cing. Mostly because only stuff that beats me and the occasional flush draw are calling the c-r, but double barreling seems to happen frequently enough for it to be a profitable line.

nobody dared you specifically to show folding queens pre... i was talking to viva obv..

folding them in certain situations is ez... especially in yours i believe.