I am huge CL in tournament with about 100 or so players left till the money. My original play was going to be iso-shove against the all in. Then the 2 players before just called, so iso shoving is out of the question, since I know I'm getting called by at least one, possibly both players.

1. Assuming the two players didn't call the all in, is iso shoving here with QKs too loose with only the SB invented?

2. Since they did call, is the better play to call or fold?

Absolute/UB Cereus Hold'em, $400.00 BB (9 handed) - Absolute/UB Cereus Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($6505)
UTG+1 ($6150)
MP1 ($15420)
MP2 ($6652)
MP3 ($4915)
CO ($28458)
Button ($12768)
Hero (SB) ($73725)
BB ($16448)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q , K
4 folds, MP3 raises to $4865 (All-In), CO calls $4865, Button calls $4865, Hero ?

If folded to you I like iso shove. If the BB was > 50-60 BBs deep its a tougher spot.

As played I'd be so tempted to shove anyway but I'd probably just fold out of position and only 30 BBs deep against the button.

Sort of hard to fold here. You're getting 2.6:1 on a call (and more if you think the BB is going to call too). Yes, you're out of position, but you're more likely to get folks who will check it down with the all-in. If you happen to hit big, it's a good spot to bust someone else because you can be into the empty sidepot and people will try to "prove you wrong" by calling you light.

I'm flatting to see a floop. If I hit the floop, I'm cramming.

I really hate folding here. Not that it's bad, just that there's money to be made and I have chips to see flops with when I have good odds to call. Of course, if the table seems willing to let me pick up lots of small pots, folding here makes sense. Why risk when there's risk free chips to pick up instead.

Shoving would really depend on my read of the two callers(do I expect to fold out hands like (ATs,KQs 77?) and my current table image, which, judging from my chip stack is probably not that of a tight player.

So, call>shove>fold?

If you call, you're gonna be playing a 20k+ pot out of position. This gives you a stack size : pot size ratio of about 0.4 vs 1 player and 1.2 vs the other. This is terrible terrible spot for controlling the pot and the implied odds you think you might have of stacking people simply aren't big enough to merit playing the hand. You're gonna find yourself in a ton of awkward spots the times you do hit a card, which is only gonna be around 35-40% of the time. I'd also guess this doesn't just get checked down too often, I think the BTN will shove the flop A LOT if its checked to him.

Combinatorically speaking I'd guess hands like AQ and AK make up a decent part of the bigger stacks range here and probably a non-zero part of the smaller stack (more the AQ, almost never the AK) -not forgetting that they can very well have QQ+ too (especially the first flat caller, but possibly the second too), the probability you're going to be dominated here is not low. Add to that the fact that the stack which is shoved probably not gonna be super light here. If the flatters ranges are a bit clownish then it's still not gonna be easy to play postflop at all. In position maybe, out of position no.
If you hit you're just gonna jam in effectively 1.2 pots and investing close to 50% of your stack on Qxx and Kxx and big draw flops in spots where you are more often than not gonna be in bad shape when called.

I can see an argument for calling this in position but definitely not out.

As for shoving, I can see it being good. There is so much dead money to fight over. It depends on what sort of hands you think they're gonna be calling the initial raise with here.
For a lot of people, their calling range here is going to be super strong. They're isoing the weaker hands they want to stick it in with and calling the monsters.
Another group of people will be calling here with weaker hands like A8,55 , KJ, JT, and isoing stronger, or just calling everything. Hands you can fold out large percentage of and aren't in too bad shape against if called. I think you fold out the initial caller quite a lot with a shove and the second caller rarely.
In a vacuum I'd assume the latter slightly more than the former although it's close - and with no reads at all I think folding is good.
You'll find yourself flipping a lot of the time for the side pot with dead money and having around 40-60% of a shot for the main pot should you win the side - which is a good situation.. If you find yourself in a 4 way all in, then KQs is rarely gonna be less than 25%, unless someone has kings...

Overall I think fold and shove are gonna be close but definitely > call.
If you were in position call could well be the best option.

I think I'm folding here. Like you said, you have a dominate chip lead. There has to be a better spot than playing King Queen suited OOP.

Dependent on read, but if I'm going to play this hand I think that I would shove. I don't see the CO or button flatting with a big hand.

I'll add that I love playing KQs multiway, but I'd prefer to have a postflop effective stack : pot ratio of at least 2 and I'd prefer to be in position. I'd also like to have an oppurtunity to take down the pot unimproved/as a bluff - which is not going to be possible with one player all in.

You guys do realize that he has a huge chiplead here, right? Even if he manages to double up the CO, he's still the chip leader. A fold still seems so weak.

How is folding weak? You're not committing any more chips to a hand you would be playing out of position. The OP said that they were 100 from the money. Who checks down with 100 to go from the money? I would never make a call 'to prove someone wrong' I'm not really sure what that even means.

Also, I do realize he is a massive chip leader. Even more reason not to play a hand in a somewhat marginal situation.

I don't think folding pre is weak, and I think a reraise is asking for trouble unless you are prepared to commit to the whole hand preflop.

My read is flat, as I said, because you can really put it to both of the other stacks if you hit and you can fold if not. I don't think this is the time to force the action without the benefit of another 3 cards.

Less than 5K is a very reasonable price to pay for a chance to bust several people or win a side pot, but KQ suited WILL be called down most often by hands that dominate it (AK/AQ) or hands that are ahead preflop.

Besides, if you hit the flop, the other stacks may feel commited and think you're just trying to push them around, which is what you want from them. Nothing wrong with folding a missed flop to action and getting out for the minimum of 5K for the hand.

Flops I move on (ie: bet or raise or rr, etc): Any K, any Q, any 2 diamonds, J T x. That's quite a few hands and they'll only be available to you if you see a flop.

I agree 100% with Mercury69.

I just don't understand why people write off a flat because we're OOP. Honestly, this is going to be such a simple decision post-flop, that our position doesn't matter. Hit a flop, get it in. Miss, fold. It's worth the small chip commitment for that.

I agree with the flat call and re-assess after flop. I don't understand how you would fold in this spot given the stack sizes.

i haven't read all the replies but i saw some argue for a fold PF but i believe i'd call and take a flop with that stack, folding if i was shorter obv. i don't see the prob with either a call or a fold but i wouldn't shove so:

call>>fold>>>>>>iso shove

take the odds, hit 2 pair and stack off aces. you got great odds!