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SAM_Hard8
Nobel Peace Prize Committee has gone off of the deep end!
Chet Chetterson
My guess is that Obama received the prize since they could not think of anyone else deserving. Maybe he won based only on the fact that he replaced Bush?

I agree it makes no sense at all. Such is life.
Pot Odds RAC
WHAT?!?

Is this a joke?

I honestly expected a link to the Onion or a Rik Roll.

Amazing.
85suited
Apologizing for the US apparently wins you the NOBEL PRIZE but not the OLYMPICS
85suited
The deadline for nominations was two weeks after he was elected.
Pot Odds RAC
QUOTE (85suited @ Friday, October 9th, 2009, 8:28 AM) *
The deadline for nominations was two weeks after he was elected.

Lol.

At least it isn't at all biased.
85suited
QUOTE (Pot Odds RAC @ Friday, October 9th, 2009, 7:32 AM) *
Lol.

At least it isn't at all biased.


He won because the international community knew he would capitulate to our enemies
LongLiveYorke
So, what's the over/under on the number of posts before someone makes an "Obama, you won the Nobel Prize, and Imma let you finish..." joke?
vbnautilus
lol, wat?
wildspoke
QUOTE (LongLiveYorke @ Friday, October 9th, 2009, 6:23 AM) *
So, what's the over/under on the number of posts before someone makes an "Obama, you won the Nobel Prize, and Imma let you finish..." joke?



Committee: Obama, you just won the Nobel Prize...

Obama: I'm going to Disneyland.
wildspoke
This isn’t totally unprecedented.

In 1987 Oscar Arias received the Nobel Peace prize for presenting A PLAN to end unrest in Central America.

I think what happened was that the committee couldn’t agree on anyone so Obama was the default.
El Guapo
QUOTE (LongLiveYorke @ Friday, October 9th, 2009, 7:23 AM) *
So, what's the over/under on the number of posts before someone makes an "Obama, you won the Nobel Prize, and Imma let you finish..." joke?



Eight
LongLiveYorke
Or that they got really drunk the night before, went out with strippers and tequila and the like, and woke up the next morning after having slept through their alarm.

"Oh, crap! We were supposed to pick the Nobel Peace Prize this morning! It's due in 5 minutes. Ah, screw it, just give it to Obama. I'm going back to bed."
85suited
Voting against Illinois "Born Alive" bills as state sentaor = Nobel Prize
colonel Feathers
On a related note,

The NBA has decided to award the 2010 NBA championship to the Knicks, based on their awesome work ethic, and unlimited potential based upon their preseason performance.
Chet Chetterson
QUOTE (colonel Feathers @ Friday, October 9th, 2009, 12:30 PM) *
On a related note,

The NBA has decided to award the 2010 NBA championship to the Knicks, based on their awesome work ethic, and unlimited potential based upon their preseason performance.


aka coercing Lebron into going to the Knicks to boost NBA revenue and support in NYC?
BigLebowski
This is pretty farking ridiculous and I would be surprised if Obama himself wasn't shocked by this.
CaneBrain
QUOTE (BigLebowski @ Friday, October 9th, 2009, 5:03 PM) *
This is pretty farking ridiculous and I would be surprised if Obama himself wasn't shocked by this.



I think everyone deep down knows that Obama basically won the "you're not Bush" prize. This is merely a "reward" for conducting international affairs in a way that Europe thinks is preferable.

I read about a candidate who has been setting up schools for women in remote parts of Afghanistan. He would have had my vote. That takes some serious cojones. But, I hope (though after seeing Steele's comments I know it is a futile hope) that people wont get mad at Obama for this. He was not even aware he was nominated. He was as shocked as anyone. He handled it humbly and moved on. What exactly else should he do? Send it back? It's like cheering the US losing the Olympics. Really? Are you that happy to see Obama fail? Did you not want him to try and help get the Olympics?

The right has reached the point (of openly rooting against him in all ways big and small) with Obama in 9 months that it took the left 4-5 years, a failed war built on false intel, and a failure to prevent the worst terrorist attack since Pearl Harbor to reach. Congrats.
brvheart
QUOTE (CaneBrain @ Friday, October 9th, 2009, 6:23 PM) *
I think everyone deep down knows that Obama basically won the "you're not Bush" prize. This is merely a "reward" for conducting international affairs in a way that Europe thinks is preferable.

I read about a candidate who has been setting up schools for women in remote parts of Afghanistan. He would have had my vote. That takes some serious cojones. But, I hope (though after seeing Steele's comments I know it is a futile hope) that people wont get mad at Obama for this. He was not even aware he was nominated. He was as shocked as anyone. He handled it humbly and moved on. What exactly else should he do? Send it back? It's like cheering the US losing the Olympics. Really? Are you that happy to see Obama fail? Did you not want him to try and help get the Olympics?

The right has reached the point (of openly rooting against him in all ways big and small) with Obama in 9 months that it took the left 4-5 years, a failed war built on false intel, and a failure to prevent the worst terrorist attack since Pearl Harbor to reach. Congrats.


The anger has nothing to do with Obama personally. The anger is at the obvious political bias of the Nobel people. Obama has done nothing... but it's not his fault that he won. LOL at him 'not knowing' that he was nominated. (I have a bridge to sell you... yada yada)

As for the last paragraph... Bush had nothing to do with the things that you mentioned. The intel was from the CIA and congress voted for the war. He also was in office less time than Obama has been when 9/11 happened. Think the media would blame Obama with the roles reversed?

Obama desires to turn our country into a socialism... so I definitely hope he fails [at that]... but it's not because I hate my country, it's because I love it.
CaneBrain
QUOTE (brvheart @ Friday, October 9th, 2009, 6:38 PM) *
The anger has nothing to do with Obama personally. The anger is at the obvious political bias of the Nobel people. Obama has done nothing... but it's not his fault that he won. LOL at him 'not knowing' that he was nominated. (I have a bridge to sell you... yada yada)

As for the last paragraph... Bush had nothing to do with the things that you mentioned. The intel was from the CIA and congress voted for the war. He also was in office less time than Obama has been when 9/11 happened. Think the media would blame Obama with the roles reversed?

Obama desires to turn our country into a socialism... so I definitely hope he fails [at that]... but it's not because I hate my country, it's because I love it.



If Bush had nothing to do with a war and its intel and/or defending a terror attack nine months into his presidency, then I have to kinda reconsider everything I thought I knew about what the president does. Bush: the buck stops with the CIA.

I think Fox News would blast Obama under similar circumstances while the msm would hedge between rallying around the president and asking pointed questions.

He does not desire to turn the country into a socialism (whatever that means) he merely wants the country to be 65% capitalist 35% socialist (whereas most GOP members seem to prefer about 80/20). We have had lots of socialist ideas in this country for a very long time. We have even come to the point where people on both sides agree that some of them are good ideas. This is one of several retarded themes that the GOP never gets called on because it would actually take 30 seconds of discussion to explain it and that isnt happening on TV.

Also, this is not just about you. There were crowds of conservative activists cheering when the news broke about Chicago's 4th place finish. Cheering America losing because it made Obama look like he failed. Maybe you are staying classy Brv, but the most vocal GOP supporters have gone off the deep end.

Let me know about that bridge. Because I really dont think he knew. I think they would have been a little further ahead of the story if he had even an inkling he might win.
nutzbuster
QUOTE (LongLiveYorke @ Friday, October 9th, 2009, 7:23 AM) *
So, what's the over/under on the number of posts before someone makes an "Obama, you won the Nobel Prize, and Imma let you finish..." joke?



QUOTE (BigLebowski @ Friday, October 9th, 2009, 3:03 PM) *
This is pretty farking ridiculous and I would be surprised if Obama himself wasn't shocked by this.



QUOTE (CaneBrain @ Friday, October 9th, 2009, 4:23 PM) *
I think everyone deep down knows that Obama basically won the "you're not Bush" prize. This is merely a "reward" for conducting international affairs in a way that Europe thinks is preferable.



LOL and gg Nobel. What a group.

I don't mind that the US gets recognized and I actually found it funny how B O handled it. Made a joke about the kids telling him "hey Dad, you won the Nobel prize today and it's also the dogs BIRTHDAY!". Obama also said and admitted 'I don't deserve it and I don;t think I fall into the group who have done more' or some such words to that effect.


I say no harm no foul on this one really and it's cool the USA gets the award, but...this award. A hollow shell of it's former self and now a bit of a politically biased joke imo.
85suited
QUOTE (CaneBrain @ Friday, October 9th, 2009, 6:23 PM) *
It's like cheering the US losing the Olympics. Really? Are you that happy to see Obama fail? Did you not want him to try and help get the Olympics?


Why would I want the olympics?

The public school system is about $475 million in the red

The city’s facing its own deficit of at least $200 million.

The Chicago Transit Authority, which runs our public transportation system, is busted too, in more ways than one. CTA officials are in the thick of their annual budget crisis, warning of fare hikes and service cuts that could affect traffic in every part of town. They don’t have enough money to replace the old buses or repair the tracks that are falling apart.

And then there are the TIFs: $550 million a year in property taxes siphoned from the schools and parks to feed slush funds that Mayor Daley controls with virtually no oversight. At the moment, the public is conveniently in the dark about them because they’re too complicated for the mainstream press to cover and our tax bills don’t reflect how much we’re paying to keep them funded


But don’t worry – I am sure the games would have turned a profit & ran on budget

London, the host for the 2012 games, is now expected to spend $16.5 billion, nearly twice what it first estimated.

Chicago has a fine track record of delays and cost overruns on public projects. The mayor may take you on a tour of Millennium Park while he’s here, but he probably won’t mention that it cost $475 million to build—a mere $325 million more than originally projected.

You might like to take a stroll along the Chicago River, but the latest extension of the riverwalk won’t be finished until June. It’s cost taxpayers $22 million—double the original estimates.

Take a drive down State Street while you’re here and see the enormous construction zone between Randolph and Washington. Block 37, as it’s known, has taken the city more than 20 years and tens of millions of dollars to develop, and under those newly constructed buildings is an unfinished train station that’s cost $250 million so far—more than twice the initial price tag.


I am tired of our goverment spending money we do not have - when will this stop!

nevermind all that - it would have been cool to have the Olympics - so lets go for 2020...Whaddya Think?
hblask
QUOTE (CaneBrain @ Friday, October 9th, 2009, 5:23 PM) *
I think everyone deep down knows that Obama basically won the "you're not Bush" prize. This is merely a "reward" for conducting international affairs in a way that Europe thinks is preferable.

I read about a candidate who has been setting up schools for women in remote parts of Afghanistan. He would have had my vote. That takes some serious cojones. But, I hope (though after seeing Steele's comments I know it is a futile hope) that people wont get mad at Obama for this. He was not even aware he was nominated. He was as shocked as anyone. He handled it humbly and moved on. What exactly else should he do? Send it back? It's like cheering the US losing the Olympics. Really? Are you that happy to see Obama fail? Did you not want him to try and help get the Olympics?

The right has reached the point (of openly rooting against him in all ways big and small) with Obama in 9 months that it took the left 4-5 years, a failed war built on false intel, and a failure to prevent the worst terrorist attack since Pearl Harbor to reach. Congrats.


Yeah, I don't think anyone is mad at Obama over this, just embarrassed for/shocked about the Nobel committee.

I just finished "Three Cups of Tea", the book about Greg Mortenson, the guy building the schools on the Pakistan/Afghanistan border. It's an amazing story, and yeah, he's definitely an excellent candidate for the Peace Prize. Over a decade spent going into a part of the world that hates Americans and showing the world how cool America can be. Also, he could be a foreign policy advisor to that area if he wanted to, he knows the people personally who are leaders in that area. So get the book if you haven't read it.
brvheart
QUOTE (CaneBrain @ Friday, October 9th, 2009, 7:04 PM) *
If Bush had nothing to do with a war and its intel and/or defending a terror attack nine months into his presidency, then I have to kinda reconsider everything I thought I knew about what the president does. Bush: the buck stops with the CIA.

I think Fox News would blast Obama under similar circumstances while the msm would hedge between rallying around the president and asking pointed questions.

He does not desire to turn the country into a socialism (whatever that means) he merely wants the country to be 65% capitalist 35% socialist (whereas most GOP members seem to prefer about 80/20). We have had lots of socialist ideas in this country for a very long time. We have even come to the point where people on both sides agree that some of them are good ideas. This is one of several retarded themes that the GOP never gets called on because it would actually take 30 seconds of discussion to explain it and that isnt happening on TV.

Also, this is not just about you. There were crowds of conservative activists cheering when the news broke about Chicago's 4th place finish. Cheering America losing because it made Obama look like he failed. Maybe you are staying classy Brv, but the most vocal GOP supporters have gone off the deep end.

Let me know about that bridge. Because I really dont think he knew. I think they would have been a little further ahead of the story if he had even an inkling he might win.


There is no chance in hell that Rush or anyone else would have blamed Obama if he was president in 2001.
85suited


The belief that the government can solve basic economic and societal problems has given rise to programs medicare.medicade, Social Security, welfare-, public housing-all promising to free us from the uncertainty of life in exchange for our freedom.

It's wrong to take the fruits of another's labor to pay for these things. It's also wrong to force people into a never-ending cycle of dependency, which is the only thing ultimately achieved by these programs


How did Johnson's "Great Society" turn out?
All_In
QUOTE (85suited @ Friday, October 9th, 2009, 7:47 PM) *
The belief that the government can solve basic economic and societal problems has given rise to programs medicare.medicade, Social Security, welfare-, public housing-all promising to free us from the uncertainty of life in exchange for our freedom.

It's wrong to take the fruits of another's labor to pay for these things. It's also wrong to force people into a never-ending cycle of dependency, which is the only thing ultimately achieved by these programs


How did Johnson's "Great Society" turn out?

i guess that's why 'socialist' countries are continually amongst the top rated countries in quality of life/best places to live.
85suited
QUOTE (All_In @ Saturday, October 10th, 2009, 12:05 AM) *
i guess that's why 'socialist' countries are continually amongst the top rated countries in quality of life/best places to live.



Top rated by whom and by what criteria
theresa113
Is it just me or does it seem like the word communism has been replaced by socialism ? Its as if we need some boogyman mentality of us against some bad thing that doesn't exist to get everyone all worked up.

There is not one industrialized nation that isn't socialized. As long as you have public roads, institutions, lands, museums, etc. you are socialized. It is not a bad thing. It is how civil people get along and educate, transport and create a stable society.

Sometimes I read these threads and I think to myself that if it were the 50s many of you would be on the Joseph McCarthy bandwagon.

Should Obama have won the Nobel? I think so. His messages are about working together and finding solutions. If that is not about peace than I do not know what is.
85suited
QUOTE (theresa113 @ Saturday, October 10th, 2009, 8:31 AM) *
. His messages are about working together and finding solutions.


that is a joke ...right?
hblask
QUOTE (theresa113 @ Saturday, October 10th, 2009, 7:31 AM) *
Is it just me or does it seem like the word communism has been replaced by socialism ? Its as if we need some boogyman mentality of us against some bad thing that doesn't exist to get everyone all worked up.

There is not one industrialized nation that isn't socialized. As long as you have public roads, institutions, lands, museums, etc. you are socialized. It is not a bad thing. It is how civil people get along and educate, transport and create a stable society.

Sometimes I read these threads and I think to myself that if it were the 50s many of you would be on the Joseph McCarthy bandwagon.

Should Obama have won the Nobel? I think so. His messages are about working together and finding solutions. If that is not about peace than I do not know what is.


Sensible people used to be opposed to communism and socialism. Communism is officially dead, but there are still idiots (*cough* Michael Moore *cough*) openly promoting, and others (*cough* Obama *cough*) silently promoting socialism, so we deal with the real threats, not the imagined ones.

Socialism is the opposite of people working together. Working together is when people voluntarily give of themselves to help others, in the hope that it will make the world a better place. Forcing people to give you things you want by threat of jail is what happens under socialism: "What? You don't want to pay for my museum via your taxes? Well, we'll put you in jail!" How is that any sensible definition of "working together"? That's just the biggest bully taking what they want.

As for the peace prize, my message is about working together and finding solutions, too! I guess I'm the next winner? I've actually accomplished more in my life than Obama, too, so I probably should've won it before him.
Nashtak
QUOTE (hblask @ Saturday, October 10th, 2009, 11:57 AM) *
Sensible people used to be opposed to communism and socialism. Communism is officially dead, but there are still idiots (*cough* Michael Moore *cough*) openly promoting, and others (*cough* Obama *cough*) silently promoting socialism, so we deal with the real threats, not the imagined ones.

Socialism is the opposite of people working together. Working together is when people voluntarily give of themselves to help others, in the hope that it will make the world a better place. Forcing people to give you things you want by threat of jail is what happens under socialism: "What? You don't want to pay for my museum via your taxes? Well, we'll put you in jail!" How is that any sensible definition of "working together"? That's just the biggest bully taking what they want.

As for the peace prize, my message is about working together and finding solutions, too! I guess I'm the next winner? I've actually accomplished more in my life than Obama, too, so I probably should've won it before him.


Are you implying that Obama is a socialist for promoting free health care, something that every rich capitalist country has but the U.S?
El Guapo
QUOTE (Nashtak @ Saturday, October 10th, 2009, 12:56 PM) *
Are you implying that Obama is a socialist for promoting free health care, something that every rich capitalist country has but the U.S?



There is no implying in what Henry is saying.
Balloon guy
QUOTE (theresa113 @ Saturday, October 10th, 2009, 6:31 AM) *
Is it just me or does it seem like the word communism has been replaced by socialism ? Its as if we need some boogyman mentality of us against some bad thing that doesn't exist to get everyone all worked up.

There is not one industrialized nation that isn't socialized. As long as you have public roads, institutions, lands, museums, etc. you are socialized. It is not a bad thing. It is how civil people get along and educate, transport and create a stable society.

Sometimes I read these threads and I think to myself that if it were the 50s many of you would be on the Joseph McCarthy bandwagon.

Should Obama have won the Nobel? I think so. His messages are about working together and finding solutions. If that is not about peace than I do not know what is.



I think we can all agree that McCarthy got a bad rap.

He did a lot of good for this country and the press hated him.

FCP Bob
QUOTE (Nashtak @ Saturday, October 10th, 2009, 3:56 PM) *
Are you implying that Obama is a socialist for promoting free health care, something that every rich capitalist country has but the U.S?



QUOTE (El Guapo @ Saturday, October 10th, 2009, 4:25 PM) *
There is no implying in what Henry is saying.


Henry is a true blue Libertarian who believes that pretty much anything the government does with tax dollars that can be done by the private sector is Socialistic.

He on the other hand doesn't throw the term around like many of the right wing retards do as a pejorative term and equate it with Nazism and eating babies.

FCP Bob
QUOTE (Balloon guy @ Saturday, October 10th, 2009, 4:44 PM) *
I think we can all agree that McCarthy got a bad rap.

He did a lot of good for this country and the press hated him.


Funny one.
Balloon guy
QUOTE (FCP Bob @ Saturday, October 10th, 2009, 1:46 PM) *
Funny one.



I know...it's almost the same thing all over again with Bush
Balloon guy
But at least that wanker Dr Denis Mukwege didn't get it.

I mean sure he helped a few women..but come on...Obama is going to help everyone...or at least has a plan to.


In a related story, I heard Obama is up for an Oscar for Best Documentary that he intends to make about the school in Kenya he promised to help in 2006:

Story about school Obama promised to help, but still hasn't done a thing
nutzbuster
QUOTE (Balloon guy @ Saturday, October 10th, 2009, 1:44 PM) *
I think we can all agree that McCarthy got a bad rap.

He did a lot of good for this country and the press hated him.



lmao.




QUOTE (FCP Bob @ Saturday, October 10th, 2009, 1:46 PM) *
eating babies.



mmmm...good eatin'


hblask
QUOTE (Nashtak @ Saturday, October 10th, 2009, 1:56 PM) *
Are you implying that Obama is a socialist for promoting free health care, something that every rich capitalist country has but the U.S?



QUOTE (FCP Bob @ Saturday, October 10th, 2009, 2:46 PM) *
Henry is a true blue Libertarian who believes that pretty much anything the government does with tax dollars that can be done by the private sector is Socialistic.

He on the other hand doesn't throw the term around like many of the right wing retards do as a pejorative term and equate it with Nazism and eating babies.


Socialism is a continuum, ranging from totally free markets to Mao/Stalin/Lenin type socialism. If anarchy is a 0 on the socialism score, and Castro's Cuba at it's peak is a 10, then I'd put Obama at about a 6 or 7. He does not believe there is an limitation on what powers a president should have or what a federal government should be able to do.

Single payer medicine, on the other hand, is a 10 on the socialism scale, and one of the main reasons Obama is so high.

And Bob is right, I try not to use it as an argument-ender, I generally try to explain the position and why the historical, theoretical, and social data indicate socialism will tend to fail.
85suited
Did you know The average federal worker makes $75,419 a year, while the average in the private sector is $39,751.

Why is that, exactly? Is it because Federal workers are 80% better than private-sector workers?
ahosang
QUOTE (FCP Bob @ Saturday, October 10th, 2009, 9:46 PM) *
Henry is a true blue Libertarian who believes that pretty much anything the government does with tax dollars that can be done by the private sector is Socialistic.

He on the other hand doesn't throw the term around like many of the right wing retards do as a pejorative term and equate it with Nazism and eating babies.

Aw geez, this coming from you, Bob!!
Cry me a river...


strategy
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85suited
2x post
85suited
I think you missed the point - those jobs are paid for out of our pocket - and they keep expanding and getting paid more and more - The federal and state leviathon will never stop growing and they need to tax us more and more to pay for this
QUOTE
In 1960, federal workers averaged $1.24 for every $1 earned by a private employee.

By 1980, the federal advantage was up to $1.51;

in 2000 it was $1.66. Now it is $2 - and climbing.

When ranked alongside 72 industries that span the US economy, federal employees take home the seventh-highest average compensation. Among the workers they outearn, are those in such fields as computer systems design, chemical products, and legal services.

It isn’t only at the federal level that the political class so handsomely takes care of its own. “State and local government workers get paid an average of $25.30 an hour, which is 33 percent higher that the private sector’s $19,’’ Forbes magazine reports. “Throw in pensions and other benefits and the gap widens to 42 percent.’’ The Tax Foundation calculates that “non-wage compensation’’ for the average state and local government employee worked out to $12,362 in 2007. For the average employee in the private sector, the comparable figure was just $8,784.
strategy
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Balloon guy
QUOTE (85suited @ Saturday, October 10th, 2009, 5:36 PM) *
I think you missed the point - those jobs are paid for out of our pocket - and they keep expanding and getting paid more and more - The federal and state leviathon will never stop growing and they need to tax us more and more to pay for this



But wont having a giant class of people who are paid really good paychecks make our economy stronger?
BigLebowski
QUOTE (Balloon guy @ Saturday, October 10th, 2009, 11:07 PM) *
But wont having a giant class of people who are paid really good paychecks make our economy stronger?


No, I think having a really really small group of people, say 1%, making say, 25% of the money is best case scenario. That makes our economy stronger because that money isn't actually coming out of our pockets. It's actually getting put back into our pockets by them creating jobs for us and paying the majority of the taxes so that we don't have to.
85suited
QUOTE (BigLebowski @ Monday, October 12th, 2009, 5:36 PM) *
No, I think having a really really small group of people, say 1%, making say, 25% of the money is best case scenario. That makes our economy stronger because that money isn't actually coming out of our pockets. It's actually getting put back into our pockets by them creating jobs for us and paying the majority of the taxes so that we don't have to.



So in other words... I should work so your lazy ass doesn't have too?
nutzbuster
QUOTE (85suited @ Monday, October 12th, 2009, 4:05 PM) *
So in other words... I should work so your lazy ass doesn't have too?



IN!

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85suited
QUOTE (nutzbuster @ Monday, October 12th, 2009, 6:41 PM) *
IN!

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