SuperJon
Tuesday, October 6th, 2009, 4:09 PM
New table, so no reads.
There's a chance I'm ahead and a chance I'm behind.
Am I ever ahead enough to make calling profitable?
Easy fold?
Absolute/UB Cereus Hold'em, $300.00 BB (8 handed) -
Absolute/UB Cereus Converter Tool from
FlopTurnRiver.comButton ($2820)
SB ($14780)
BB ($2610)
UTG ($13606)
UTG+1 ($4795)
MP1 ($624)
MP2 ($20226)
Hero (CO) ($8366)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 5

, 5
1 fold,
UTG+1 bets $600,
2 folds, Hero calls $600,
3 foldsFlop: ($1650) 9

, 6

, 9
(2 players)UTG+1 checks,
Hero bets $800,
UTG+1 raises to $4195 (All-In), Hero ?
rrumsey
Tuesday, October 6th, 2009, 6:11 PM
what stake game is this?
kind of an easy fold unless in a very low stakes game so unless you are up against a possible naked flush draw, with an over and a paired board our hand is too low in strength to call he i think, any pocket pair higher than that 6 on the board and i would consider going with this hand maybe, maybe. I would assume you are beaten a good amount and or up against a ton of strong draws here. My gut says he has the draw here not the high pair, but i don't think our hand is strong enough to ever be wrong because then we are almost, or even could be dead. I hate to go broke an unknown if he is a spew bot we will know soon enough and take him down later. Thats my idea here
If we knew what his 3-bet range was we could piece together a much better range here and a lot less hands we are behind ( pocket pairs) aren't here due to the lack of a 3-bet, then we could possibly go with this. Because we don't know, we have to air on the side of folding imo
wildspoke
Tuesday, October 6th, 2009, 6:36 PM
I'm folding here.
Even if villain is on a draw, I think he has at least one over.
CoolHandKai
Wednesday, October 7th, 2009, 6:31 AM
You said it: Easy fold.
Mercury69
Wednesday, October 7th, 2009, 6:42 AM
One of the easiest folds I've ever seen...
Even if villain doesn't have a higher pair and just high cards, the 6 on the board actually gives him 3 extra outs, so he/she has a min of 9 outs to your underpair. Factor in the 2 spades on the board and he could be drawing to total of 15 outs without even breaking a sweat (if he has 2 spades in the hole). If that's the case, you're drawing to 4 outs max.
SwolyswoND
Wednesday, October 7th, 2009, 6:54 AM
Underpairs on a paired board are nightmares. Get out ASAP.
I actually like a check behind on this flop better. When the PFR doesn't cbet a flop that is ripe for cbetting like this one, it's usually a tarp.
Fade2241
Wednesday, October 7th, 2009, 7:54 AM
fold ainec. lock it up
SuperJon
Wednesday, October 7th, 2009, 3:43 PM
I'm a donk, who has no problems admitting he still has lots to learn.
I went with my read that I had the best hand, and called.
Villain has As7s
Turn blank
River 6
Sure my read was right, and I did have the best hand. But I guess that this is one of those situations where even though you feel you likely have the best hand, you should fold.
kkot
Wednesday, October 7th, 2009, 4:05 PM
3b or fold preflop. We aren't deep enough to setmine here and 55 isn't really good postflop.
SwolyswoND
Wednesday, October 7th, 2009, 5:35 PM
QUOTE (SuperJon @ Wednesday, October 7th, 2009, 6:43 PM)

I'm a donk, who has no problems admitting he still has lots to learn.
I went with my read that I had the best hand, and called.
Villain has As7s
Turn blank
River 6
Sure my read was right, and I did have the best hand. But I guess that this is one of those situations where even though you feel you likely have the best hand, you should fold.
This is exactly why underpairs to a paired board are disastrous.
Even if you are currently ahead, you have so little equity against the entire part of villain's range. Even with Ace-rag Villain has 3 hidden outs plus he will pick up 3 more hidden ones on the turn.
RISEorFall
Thursday, October 8th, 2009, 9:31 AM
QUOTE (SuperJon @ Wednesday, October 7th, 2009, 3:43 PM)

I went with my read that I had the best hand, and called.
Villain has As7s
I did have the best hand.
you have the best hand right now, but with all his outs he's almost a 60% favorite.
SGFULTON83
Thursday, October 8th, 2009, 1:34 PM
QUOTE (kkot @ Wednesday, October 7th, 2009, 7:05 PM)

3b or fold preflop. We aren't deep enough to setmine here and 55 isn't really good postflop.
HighwayStar
Friday, October 9th, 2009, 8:22 AM
Fold pre, check back flop.
Might call as played but idk.
Dhall901
Saturday, October 10th, 2009, 10:02 AM
With no reads on the villian I'm snap folding and looking forward to the next hand.
Anyone believe checking behind on the flop is the optimal play here? Edit: Perhaps I'll start reading the thread before I post..lol
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