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SuperJon
New table, so no reads.

There's a chance I'm ahead and a chance I'm behind.

Am I ever ahead enough to make calling profitable?

Easy fold?



Absolute/UB Cereus Hold'em, $300.00 BB (8 handed) - Absolute/UB Cereus Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($2820)
SB ($14780)
BB ($2610)
UTG ($13606)
UTG+1 ($4795)
MP1 ($624)
MP2 ($20226)
Hero (CO) ($8366)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5 icon_suit_diamond.gif, 5 icon_suit_club.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 bets $600, 2 folds, Hero calls $600, 3 folds

Flop: ($1650) 9 icon_suit_club.gif, 6 icon_suit_spade.gif, 9 icon_suit_spade.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $800, UTG+1 raises to $4195 (All-In), Hero ?



rrumsey
what stake game is this?
kind of an easy fold unless in a very low stakes game so unless you are up against a possible naked flush draw, with an over and a paired board our hand is too low in strength to call he i think, any pocket pair higher than that 6 on the board and i would consider going with this hand maybe, maybe. I would assume you are beaten a good amount and or up against a ton of strong draws here. My gut says he has the draw here not the high pair, but i don't think our hand is strong enough to ever be wrong because then we are almost, or even could be dead. I hate to go broke an unknown if he is a spew bot we will know soon enough and take him down later. Thats my idea here

If we knew what his 3-bet range was we could piece together a much better range here and a lot less hands we are behind ( pocket pairs) aren't here due to the lack of a 3-bet, then we could possibly go with this. Because we don't know, we have to air on the side of folding imo
wildspoke
I'm folding here.

Even if villain is on a draw, I think he has at least one over.


CoolHandKai
You said it: Easy fold.
Mercury69
One of the easiest folds I've ever seen...

Even if villain doesn't have a higher pair and just high cards, the 6 on the board actually gives him 3 extra outs, so he/she has a min of 9 outs to your underpair. Factor in the 2 spades on the board and he could be drawing to total of 15 outs without even breaking a sweat (if he has 2 spades in the hole). If that's the case, you're drawing to 4 outs max.
SwolyswoND
Underpairs on a paired board are nightmares. Get out ASAP.

I actually like a check behind on this flop better. When the PFR doesn't cbet a flop that is ripe for cbetting like this one, it's usually a tarp.
Fade2241
fold ainec. lock it up
SuperJon
I'm a donk, who has no problems admitting he still has lots to learn.

I went with my read that I had the best hand, and called.

Villain has As7s

Turn blank

River 6

Sure my read was right, and I did have the best hand. But I guess that this is one of those situations where even though you feel you likely have the best hand, you should fold.
kkot
3b or fold preflop. We aren't deep enough to setmine here and 55 isn't really good postflop.
SwolyswoND
QUOTE (SuperJon @ Wednesday, October 7th, 2009, 6:43 PM) *
I'm a donk, who has no problems admitting he still has lots to learn.

I went with my read that I had the best hand, and called.

Villain has As7s

Turn blank

River 6

Sure my read was right, and I did have the best hand. But I guess that this is one of those situations where even though you feel you likely have the best hand, you should fold.


This is exactly why underpairs to a paired board are disastrous.

Even if you are currently ahead, you have so little equity against the entire part of villain's range. Even with Ace-rag Villain has 3 hidden outs plus he will pick up 3 more hidden ones on the turn.
RISEorFall
QUOTE (SuperJon @ Wednesday, October 7th, 2009, 3:43 PM) *
I went with my read that I had the best hand, and called.

Villain has As7s
I did have the best hand.

you have the best hand right now, but with all his outs he's almost a 60% favorite.
SGFULTON83
QUOTE (kkot @ Wednesday, October 7th, 2009, 7:05 PM) *
3b or fold preflop. We aren't deep enough to setmine here and 55 isn't really good postflop.
HighwayStar
Fold pre, check back flop.

Might call as played but idk.
Dhall901
With no reads on the villian I'm snap folding and looking forward to the next hand.

Anyone believe checking behind on the flop is the optimal play here? Edit: Perhaps I'll start reading the thread before I post..lol
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