more power to rush

I'm an eagles fan. mcnabb needs to retire. and that's all I have to say about that.

I'm an eagles fan. mcnabb needs to retire. and that's all I have to say about that.

lived in philly from 2000-2004. This is fairly typical. The Eagles have been a crappy team for most of their existence......and have been well above average for McNabb's entire career. Result? Eagles fans hate McNabb. Reason? Insanity.

I thought Rush Limbaugh's entire point about McNabb was retarded. He called one of the most consistently underappreciated QBs overrated....because the media wants a black guy to succeed?

The reality is that the opposite is true. The "media" props up white players in a predominantly black league.

Case in point: Jason Sehorn.

Jason Sehorn was never more than an average #2 corner. But since he was the only white CB he got tons of endorsement deals, positive coverage, and a vast overrating of his abilities (and then he got exposed in the Super Bowl of all places in 2000).

Not only was Rush wrong (look at McNabb's career....the guy is ****ing good and he accomplished a lot personally and team wise) but he was boldly wrong proclaiming the media was favoring a black quarterback when clearly the media favors white guys playing positions dominated by black guys (Mike Alstott, wayne chrebet, etc)

So when you say Rush was not qualified to be an NFL analyst, I agree. When you say he had the courage to stand up to the MSM on Donovan McNabb, I say he once again found the ability to make something up.....something that is directly opposite of what is actually true. Classic Rush.

He is wayyyyy too controversial to be an NFL owner....the NFL does not need protests outside the stadium every week.

lots of people were initially worried that checketts would move the blues upon purchasing them. I want to say seattle, but I don't really remember.

if the rams can do better elsewhere, more power to rush for trying to facilitate the move.

lived in philly from 2000-2004. This is fairly typical. The Eagles have been a crappy team for most of their existence......and have been well above average for McNabb's entire career. Result? Eagles fans hate McNabb. Reason? Insanity.

First of all it was Espn/ABC/Disney that fired limbaugh, not the NFL. Who hired and fired him based completely on commercial interests (hired to boost ratings, fired to avoid boycotts). The NFL won't have that kind of consideration. No one's boycotting the NFL, give me a break. Also, it won't even be the commissioner's office that has any say in this, so it won't be the "PC NFL" who gets to decide. Who's allowed to buy a team is 100 percent the providence of the owners, and the NFL owners are, buy and large 1) White 2) rich 3) conservative, so it would be right in their wheel house to allow Rush to buy a team. While there might be some objection to him just because he's controversial, he's timing his bid extremely well. Much like the Crazy Russian Mobbed up billionare that's buying the nets, Limbaugh is making his bid at a time when many of the owners are feeling the crunch of the economic down turn. I know specifically St Louis' economy isn't in the greatest shape. So it's probably not the easiest time for an owner who's inclined to sell an NFL franchise to be able to find people who are capitalized to buy it. So I would Guess if Rush has the highest ( and high enough) bid, that he'll be sold the team no problem. I personally think it would be great and hliarious to have rush be an NFL owner. The NFL needs more brash, outspokeness.. and having him be a boisterous bad guy would be fantastic. And the rams can't get much worse, so it could only help with him buying the team.

I hope you are right and Limbaugh ends up as part owner of the Rams. Will make for some good times as we wait for the Rams to return to their winning ways.

First of all it was Espn/ABC/Disney that fired limbaugh, not the NFL. Who hired and fired him based completely on commercial interests (hired to boost ratings, fired to avoid boycotts). The NFL won't have that kind of consideration. No one's boycotting the NFL, give me a break. Also, it won't even be the commissioner's office that has any say in this, so it won't be the "PC NFL" who gets to decide. Who's allowed to buy a team is 100 percent the providence of the owners, and the NFL owners are, buy and large 1) White 2) rich 3) conservative, so it would be right in their wheel house to allow Rush to buy a team. While there might be some objection to him just because he's controversial, he's timing his bid extremely well. Much like the Crazy Russian Mobbed up billionare that's buying the nets, Limbaugh is making his bid at a time when many of the owners are feeling the crunch of the economic down turn. I know specifically St Louis' economy isn't in the greatest shape. So it's probably not the easiest time for an owner who's inclined to sell an NFL franchise to be able to find people who are capitalized to buy it. So I would Guess if Rush has the highest ( and high enough) bid, that he'll be sold the team no problem.


I personally think it would be great and hliarious to have rush be an NFL owner. The NFL needs more brash, outspokeness.. and having him be a boisterous bad guy would be fantastic. And the rams can't get much worse, so it could only help with him buying the team.

Now, I'm going to go back. I realize some of you may not know what this is all about. We gotta set the table here. I don't want anybody out of context on this. It was actually 2003, and it was on ESPN Sunday NFL Countdown, and I was on that show for five episodes until this happened. Tom Jackson, they're talking about McNabb. There were two segments on McNabb that day. Tom Jackson said, "I don't think that benching McNabb is an option that they see right now. He'll have to lose a lot of football games before he's put on the bench. I'd like to look again at the supporting cast. McNabb is struggling. I'd be amazed if they don't come out today, run that football with whoever you have, Buckhalter, Duce Staley, run that football, give this guy a break at quarterback." See, the whole tone here, he was not playing, he had a lousy start to the season, so everybody was wondering, "What's wrong with McNabb?" And nobody knew. So then Chris Berman threw it to me.

RUSH ARCHIVE: I've been listening to all of you guys, actually, and I think the sum total of what you're all saying is that Donovan McNabb is regressing, he is going backwards --

TOM JACKSON: Mmm-hmm. (Nodding)

RUSH: -- and my... I'm sorry to say this, I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern on the NFL. I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well.

TOM JACKSON: Mmm-hmm. (Nodding)

MICHAEL IRVIN: (Nodding)

RUSH: We're interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well. I think there is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't really deserve. The defense carried this team, I think, and he got credit for it.

TOM JACKSON: But Rush -- But Rush somebody went to those championship games.

RUSH: They went.

TOM JACKSON: Somebody went to those Pro Bowls. Somebody made those plays that I saw running down the field, doing it with his legs, doing it with his arm. He has been a very effective quarterback for this football team over the last two or three years --

RUSH: Yeah, but you take --

TOM JACKSON: -- and they didn't have any more talent then than they do now.

RUSH: Oh yes they did: on defense. On defense, they did.

MICHAEL IRVIN: (Nodding)

TOM JACKSON: (Nodding) Oh, on defense they did. I'm talking on the offense side of the ball.

RUSH: Well, that's what I'm saying. I think he got a lot of credit for the defensive side of the ball-winning games for this team.

STEVE YOUNG: But I'll tell you what. I'll say it even more strongly, Tom. When they're winning, nobody makes more plays --

TOM JACKSON: Right. Than Donovan McNabb.

STEVE YOUNG: -- with his arm than Donovan McNabb. That guy is one of the best in the league at making plays, but making plays does not win championships. Running the offense does. So at some point --

TOM JACKSON: Gotta run the offense.

STEVE YOUNG: -- I think that Koy Detmer looks like a better option because he'll go in there, drop back, and throw the ball correctly.

CHRIS BERMAN: Isn't it odd that last year with the broken leg -- I know it was Arizona -- but the one game he was in the pie, he looked great.

STEVE YOUNG: He had to run that offense.


TOM JACKSON: So, Rush, once you make that investment though -- once you make that investment in him, that's a done deal.

RUSH: I'm saying it's a good investment. Don't misunderstand. I just don't think he's as good as everybody said he has been.

MICHAEL IRVIN: Rush has a point.

RUSH: That was Michael Irvin there at the end: "Rush has a point." It was Steve Young talking about McNabb not managing the offense well, and maybe Koy Detmer ought to be given the ball. This happened on a Sunday. The firestorm didn't happen 'til Tuesday, when the Philadelphia print media, I think every columnist wrote about it. Nothing was said later on ESPN that day or on their Monday pregame show. It never came up, I was told, in any of the production meetings for those shows. Then on Tuesday, it's in the Philadelphia sports media, and it just hit. On Wednesday, I got a call from ESPN. They said, "It's either you or Tommy. Tommy says if you come back, he's not." Tom Jackson. "Well, this is not worth that." So I fled the coop.

Then McNabb had his press conference that day, and he said, "Why do people bring race into this? I'm a quarterback in the NFL." And now ever since he got to the Super Bowl, he's been a black quarterback. Ever since the Eagles made the Super Bowl, he's been a black quarterback. He's going to be on HBO tonight talking about the trials and tribulations of being a black quarterback. It has taken four years, but the point that I originally made finally is now being acknowledged and confirmed. And it wasn't racist and it wasn't even critical of McNabb for race. It was a comment that was just targeting the media, because sports media is like every other media: they're a bunch of leftists; they're liberals; they have this superiority about them; their great social conscience, and all that. So it is what it is, folks.

Quotes from Rush on McNabb
October 1, 2003


"This thing is alive and kicking today because the Philadelphia sports media and the newspapers decided to kick it up. There was no immediate reaction among fans or viewers that I heard of. We had no phone calls here about it."

"My point was that it would be a shame if these black assistant coaches ended up being used as pawns simply to keep the league out of court. I was very sympathetic to the black head coach premise and black assistant coaches in the league. Nobody commented about that. Nobody reacted to it at all - and nobody puts it in context with this McNabb business."

"If the sports media are going to get upset with me for saying that their desire for black quarterbacks to do well might influence their opinion and coverage of McNabb, I'll take it back and say, 'Okay, you're not interested in black quarterbacks doing well.'"

"My comment was actually a comment aimed at the media, not even at McNabb. It's not by any stretch of the imagination a putdown. It doesn't say McNabb is bad."

"It's clear that many of the people writing about this story have no real experience listening to this radio program and probably haven't even heard some of the other things that I have said on this ESPN show. My essay in the first week of this ESPN show came to the defense of black coaches in the NFL."

"I'm not the one that's even introduced race in this, if you want to know the truth. You can go back. You can read Philadelphia sports media last year, the year before, and you can see that guys have been writing about the great things that Donovan McNabb's success means in a racial context."

"What is it when the sportswriters automatically and in unison, in lockstep, agree with Martha Burk when she makes her claim about Augusta National? Is that not political when these liberal sportswriters demand that Augusta change its private membership policy and admit women?"

"Liberal sportswriters have pushed the notion that it's unfair that there haven't been more black quarterbacks, and I agree with that. I have simply said that their desire for McNabb to do well has caused them to rate him a little higher than perhaps he actually is."


"This was a discussion on what's wrong with the Eagles and what's wrong with McNabb. And from that, why, you would think that I had gone back and wished for the South to have been successful and everything that goes along with that. I mean, it's literally incredible."

"I was comparing McNabb's reputation on the field to his reputation in the media. The media has portrayed Donovan McNabb as a great quarterback, and they have credited him almost exclusively with the Eagles' success, and I've always thought that there were more components to the Eagles' success than just the quarterback."

"At one point we didn't have enough black quarterbacks. Well, now there are quite a number of black quarterbacks and it's my opinion that the sports media, being liberals just like liberal media is elsewhere, have a desire that black quarterbacks excel and do very well so that their claims that blacks are being denied opportunity can be validated."

"I guess if you listen to the elitist liberal sports media, I nor anybody else who hasn't been somehow close to the game or played it or whatever, shouldn't be on a program where these items are discussed."

"Fans are often wrong. Everybody disagrees with everybody when it comes to opinions expressed about practically everything, including sports."

"If anybody is entering politics into this, it's the sportswriters, not me. I have studiously avoided it because I know people are laying in wait for it."

"You know, the critics here have a little bit to explain themselves. I think they have some questions to answer. Who is entitled to speak about these things on the media or privately or publicly? Who decides that? What is the criteria for determining somebody's value or worth in this regard?"

"These are the people who claim to be the most tolerant among us. This is the compassionate left who claim to have the biggest hearts and the biggest degree of understanding, but they're the ones who are the least tolerant."

"You think I'm all wet on this. So what? I'm all wet. In your mind, I'm all wet. I'm wrong. Whoopee-doo! You know, why not leave it at that? People who think I'm wrong, think I'm wrong. But it's gone way beyond that."

"They can make all the references to the race of athletes and what it means to the community and what it means to the black population of the country and how many kids look up to them. They can do it all day long, but nobody else can."

"My point Sunday on ESPN was that the defense of the Eagles, I think, deserves a lot of the credit for this team's success. It's a sports opinion, for crying out loud - and I think it's an accurate one."

"For those of you, by the way, who are saying, 'Rush, what were you thinking?' I thought about this the night before. I weighed it, I balanced it, but you know what I decided? Look, they brought me in to be who I am. This is what I think. It's a sports issue. It's a sports opinion."

"This is not by any stretch of the imagination the end of the world. None of this stuff is. To start balancing and weighing what I say versus the political correctness requirements that are out there? Why, I don't do that here so why should I do it anywhere else? Let the chips fall."

"You know, this is such a mountain made out of a molehill. So much needs to be said here. I guess at the top of the list would be that we supposedly have freedom of speech in this country, but if you don't say what people who consider themselves the Arbiters of What Can Be Said agree with, then they want to come after you with everything they've got and try to humiliate you and take a stab at your reputation and otherwise get your mind right."

Checketts did some amazing things for the Blues when he took over. They went from having no talent and no farm after the lockout to playoff-bound with a top-5 farm system this last season. He basically just recruited John Davidson and made him the face of the front office. JD, in turn, hired and retained some really great people as well.

I forgot to mention earlier... Checketts isn't really from St. Louis, and I assume Rush isn't either. There's got to be a third big name to their group from St. Louis if it's going to work.

Rush is from Cape Girardeau, Missouri. Down the river from St. Louis.

Checketts did some amazing things for the Blues when he took over. They went from having no talent and no farm after the lockout to playoff-bound with a top-5 farm system this last season. He basically just recruited John Davidson and made him the face of the front office. JD, in turn, hired and retained some really great people as well.

I forgot to mention earlier... Checketts isn't really from St. Louis, and I assume Rush isn't either. There's got to be a third big name to their group from St. Louis if it's going to work.

lol jesus christ you're quick to make Rush a martyr

Checketts did some amazing things for the Blues when he took over. They went from having no talent and no farm after the lockout to playoff-bound with a top-5 farm system this last season. He basically just recruited John Davidson and made him the face of the front office. JD, in turn, hired and retained some really great people as well.

I forgot to mention earlier... Checketts isn't really from St. Louis, and I assume Rush isn't either. There's got to be a third big name to their group from St. Louis if it's going to work.

So it begins.....the first two NFL players stated publicly that they would never play for the Rams if Limbaugh owned them. (Matthias Kiawanuka, DE Giants----Bart Scott, LB Jets)

Wilbon says Rush is "universally" reviled by black people in America.

A lot of things that people don't understand are "universally" reviled.

There is a disease in this country and it's not slowing down. That issue is decision making on little, but more commonly, ZERO information and research. Blacks are told that republicans hate them... so they believe it. Virginians are told that blacks are scary and out for a free lunch... and Sal believes it.

It's really quite sad, and seems to be compounding as the years pass.

So it begins.....the first two NFL players stated publicly that they would never play for the Rams if Limbaugh owned them. (Matthias Kiawanuka, DE Giants----Bart Scott, LB Jets)

after the first few lines, I thought you were talking about religion and governing by religious principles. Then, things made more sense.

I am pretty sure Rush's big mouth has played a role in some of the hate.

Most players say it's not about the money and then they go where the most money is.

Were there any players that wouldn't sign with the Reds because of Marge Schott?

(That's not a rhetorical question; I'm actually wondering.)

I doubt it. Not enough Jewish major leaguers maybe?

I am sure most wont have a problem but there will be more than these two to stand up and say something like this. At the end of the day, maybe the controversy is good for football.

The NBA just let a shady Russian billionaire buy the Nets.....how can the NFL say no to Rush?

I doubt it. Not enough Jewish major leaguers maybe?

She called Eric Davis and Dave Parker "million-dollar niggers."

Most players say it's not about the money and then they go where the most money is.

Were there any players that wouldn't sign with the Reds because of Marge Schott?

(That's not a rhetorical question; I'm actually wondering.)

She called Eric Davis and Dave Parker "million-dollar niggers."

She called Eric Davis and Dave Parker "million-dollar niggers."

Hahaha. I had forgotten about her/ Wasn't the female character in major league loosely based around her.


That being said, if Rush owns part of the Ram's there will not be one player who will not sign there if they make them an attractive offer. Including Donovan McNabb.

Re: black athletes not wanting to sign with the Rams..


And I estimate the amount of that 20% that would take less money someplace else so they wouldn't have to play for Rush at zero percent.