Yes. Neither of them should be convicted of a crime.

OH YEAH? You checked them all? Even the little tiny ones in his inner ear??

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4556315

The first NFL owner comes out and says he will vote against Limbaugh.

You need 24 of 32 owners to say yes. (I assume the guy selling to you votes yes.)

You don't sound like you have any knowledge or personal experience with any sort of addiction.

You don't sound like you have any knowledge or personal experience with any sort of addiction.

ive had severe problems with heroin and cocaine. to say that i'm entirely past them at this point in my life would probably be a lie.

You don't sound like you have any knowledge or personal experience with any sort of addiction.

now, before the lynch mob gets fired up... you can't judge my previous post based solely on what I said. there's a subtle point in it, but you wouldn't know that because you haven't read all 11,750 of my posts. you're pigeonholing me and you really shouldn't do that until you've read everything I've written on FCP.

BTW, I heard on Rush's show that there will soon be a lot fo retractions in major media stories because of the false reporting about Rush's comments on race etc.

That only works because you don't listen to any other media.

Cane... you know that Rush's #1 man, engineer and call screener, is a black dude named James Golden, right?

Sure. Don't worry I think Rush is a jerk not a racist. But you cant say the things he has said over the years and not expect some blowback. Comes with the territory.

Again, I think Rush should get to be a minority owner if he wants. However, at this rate, I dont think he will get approved if he tries.

Also, I am not sure that Rush having a black friend means anything....

"rush, you're a racist!"
"nuh uh, I have a black friend!"
"who works for you and does your chores"
"......"

Again, I think Rush should get to be a minority owner if he wants.

Sure. Don't worry I think Rush is a jerk not a racist. But you cant say the things he has said over the years and not expect some blowback. Comes with the territory.

Again, I think Rush should get to be a minority owner if he wants. However, at this rate, I dont think he will get approved if he tries.

Also, I am not sure that Rush having a black friend means anything....

"rush, you're a racist!"
"nuh uh, I have a black friend!"
"who works for you and does your chores"
"......"

RUSH: Let's bring in our Official Obama Criticizer, Mr. Bo Snerdley. Let me know when the electronics and the technology are ready, because I think... Does the Obama criticizer have something to say about this? Would you like to weigh in?

SNERDLEY: Thank you very much, Rush. Official Obama Criticizer Bo Snerdley here. I have a question.

RUSH: Wait, wait. You are "officially black enough to criticize," right?

SNERDLEY: "Officially black enough to criticize," right on, brother!

RUSH: Okay, good.

Again, I think Rush should get to be a minority owner if he wants.

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man

"You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking."

"The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?i...e=ESPNHeadlines

Didn't even make it a week. Score a win for the race traders.

ok, even I think this is a raw deal for Rush......but I love the ego on the fat-ass to compare his failed bid to be a....limited owner of the Rams to the "future of America".

It's shocking that you actually think that it's 'ego' and not 'business genius', for him to act mistreated. His ratings are at an all-time high right now.

It's shocking that you actually think that it's 'ego' and not 'business genius', for him to act mistreated. His ratings are at an all-time high right now.

Yeah, it's highly likely he never thought he would become an owner at all, and just did this for the massive publicity it would generate. Which if so, is genius. The man knows how to capitalize on white male insecurity alright.

that would be pretty brilliant. and very plausible. and there is no downside....if he actually gets to be an owner thats good too.

damn.

I think you guys are wrong about how Rush is dealing with this.

From the years I've listened to him and especially after he went to recovery and talked about his experience, I am of the opinion that this result hurts Rush.

He really is a guy who was a nobody and felt like it who became successfull, but even with all his success he is still at heart a man who feels rejection harder than most.

I'm sure he will talk about the deal being busted etc, and will put on a good front, but deep down I believe he is hurt by this and hurt by the people who would believe that he is a racist, which he knows he is not.

He doesn't have a drive to be anything other than what he is today, mainly because he is so successful that there isn't much more room, but also he is doing what he loves, and because he was the first, he is making Oprah like money doing it.

But he was hurt by this. And embarrassed that this whole thing might have brought down his friend's chances and that's why he backed out of the deal.


He's just a man, not Machiavelli

I think you guys are wrong about how Rush is dealing with this.

From the years I've listened to him and especially after he went to recovery and talked about his experience, I am of the opinion that this result hurts Rush.

He really is a guy who was a nobody and felt like it who became successfull, but even with all his success he is still at heart a man who feels rejection harder than most.

I'm sure he will talk about the deal being busted etc, and will put on a good front, but deep down I believe he is hurt by this and hurt by the people who would believe that he is a racist, which he knows he is not.

He doesn't have a drive to be anything other than what he is today, mainly because he is so successful that there isn't much more room, but also he is doing what he loves, and because he was the first, he is making Oprah like money doing it.

But he was hurt by this. And embarrassed that this whole thing might have brought down his friend's chances and that's why he backed out of the deal.


He's just a man, not Machiavelli

I was just thinking Florida could use another hockey team.

i find peoples intolerance of other peoples (real or imaginary) racism ironic. the sad kind of ironic though not the funny one.

I find your intolerance of other people's intolerance to be happily racist.

yeah, you have to be a member to read that, so pass.

RUSH: Now, ladies and gentlemen, the Official Obama Criticizer, Bo Snerdley, asked me yesterday if he could enter this fray. His theory is that he is Certified Black Enough to legitimately and without criticism criticize Obama. And he would like to say some words about this NFL episode. So without any further delay, here is Mr. Bo Snerdley, the Official Obama Criticizer here on the EIB Network.

SNERDLEY: This is Bo Snerdley, Official Obama Criticizer for the EIB Network. Certified Black Enough to criticize with 100% organic slave blood. Today, Obama isn't the issue. This is the special sports edition. And I have a statement: "My fellow Americans, this week, a racial spectacle has been played out which is nothing less than disgraceful." You know what? Screw this! We're going to the translation right now, only this time it's not a translation for the EIB brothers and sisters in the 'hood, it's a translation to the 'hood. Yo, my fellow homeys, especially those of you who play in the NFL: Every single one of you who shouted out against Rush, check yourself, dog. You got played, okay? Rush ain't your problem, yo. He never was your problem. He never will be your problem. Twenty years, man! For 20 years Rush has been telling everybody: You brothers in the NFL deserve to get paid.

The NFL and every other sports league there is got a break it off to you because you the best, right? The owners they got to break it off to you, give up your props, give you your props. Any of you fools know that, yo? No. Instead you get all puffed up behind some Obama flackie, jump on TV, start mouthing off about "Rush said this! Rush said that! Slavery this, slavery that," whatever, whatever. It was all made up, yo! Some of these clown reporters on TV who fed all the stuff to you, yo, you know what they doing now? They are out here trying to apologize quietly so they don't get their asses sued, yo! Check that out. Y'all got played. So here's your question for you brothers, especially some of y'all in the NFL. Y'all going to man up? Y'all going to man and up say, "Hey, we got played man. We kinda sorry. Oops, we didn't know."

Okay, now, let me -- while I'm -- yo, let me get this off, okay? McNabb. Can we just do this one more time? Square up. Even if Rush said what y'all thought he said, which he didn't say, what's the biggie? Y'all thought he said that McNabb wasn't all that and was getting props because people wanted a black guy to succeed at quarterback. So what? So what? Don't y'all want to see a black quarterback make it, yo? I do. So the sports media guys, he said they want him to succeed, what's the big deal? Is there a problem here, yo? And McNabb? You a punk, yo. Now, my NFL brothers, let me ask you a question here. Who was it that whipped Michael Vick a new one after he got done in the joint?

Was it Rush? Nope. It was a bunch of your white liberal sportswriter guys pretending they loved their dogs more than they loved their wives, okay? That's who ripped all over Michael Vick. Who's been ripping Plaxico, who's been ripping Pac-Man? Every time y'all get going... Who was it that ran T.O. on up out of Dallas, yo? Okay, was it Rush? No. Okay? Now for all of you homeys, this is outside the NFL. For all my brothers and sisters, y'all want to get pissed off about somebody insulting black people? Why don't y'all watch BET, Black "Exploitation" Television, okay? You want to know who's calling black women, "Bitches ho this, bitches ho that"? Is it Rush Limbaugh? No. Who's telling y'all that all you can do is jiggle your butts on TV? Is it Rush Limbaugh? Rush ain't your enemy, yo. You know what the biggest threat to black men is in America, yo?

It ain't Rush Limbaugh. It's other black men who are killing off brothers like they did that young boy out in Chicago, okay? A quarter of our brothers don't even make it to be age 25 'cause they get shot up by other black men. Is Rush out there pulling the trigger? No. And y'all brothers, you got anything to say about it? Especially y'all in the NFL. Y'all get paid, y'all leave the hood, that's that. Not a word. Okay? Now, for all of y'all who live deep in the hood, I got another question: Is it Rush Limbaugh stopping your kids from being educated in your run-down schools, in your run-down-ass neighborhoods? No. Who is it? And where's Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson on that instead of flapping their mouth about all this other stuff that they don't know anything else about? How come Al, Jesse, and y'all are living large and the 'hood is still the 'hood? That concludes my statement.

RUSH: That's the Official Obama Criticizer, Bo Snerdley.

October 16, 2009
Limbaugh Targeted By Obama Official
Joseph Ashby
The plot thickens on the media’s character-lynching of Rush Limbaugh. Of the four stories run on ESPN.com about Limbaugh’s bid for the Rams (October 6, October 12, October 15, and another October 15) none of them mention that NFL Players Association Executive Director DeMaurice Smith served as counsel to Attorney General Eric Holder and was a member of Barack Obama’s transition team.

The October 12 article references Smith’s anti-Limbaugh email meant to garner opposition against the radio host’s bid. The report refers to Smith only as the executive director of the NFLPA. Despite the fact that Smith’s opposition was based on Limbaugh’s political commentary, the report failed to mention that Smith’s political connections (including those to whom he donated thousands of dollars) have a vested interest in Limbaugh’s discrediting.

The October 15 article (the last of four listed above) is decidedly negative toward Limbaugh, portraying him as paranoid about Obama’s involvement in the decision. The report states:


Limbaugh blamed Smith, executive director of the NFLPA and an "Obama-ite," along with Sharpton and Jackson, whom he referred to as "race hustlers," for Checketts' decision to drop him. He said his sacking was an example of the political clout wielded by President Barack Obama's administration.


There is no mention in the piece of Smith’s relationship with Holder or his work on the Obama transition.

It is not as if ESPN didn’t know of Smith’s history. The sports web site ran a report in July which stated:


In selecting Smith this year, the union chose Washington smarts over football experience. Smith, a Washington lawyer, served on the Obama transition team and also worked for Eric Holder before Holder became attorney general.


Smith’s gross conflict of interest and apparent political targeting of Obama’s top foe is a huge story. Unfortunately the media appears too blinded by their prejudice of Limbaugh to report on it.

To summarize, we know that a former Obama official and political ally--who was chosen by the NFLPA specifically for his political clout and connections to the highest rungs of power in government--directly attacked Limbaugh for the radio-talker’s political commentary.

Historically politicians have been prone to vindictive and petty behavior, but never in American history has someone had so much power to pummel his political opponents as President Obama. With control over banks, insurance companies, car companies, media (sports media included) and unions (like the NFL players union), Obama tentacles seem to penetrate into nearly every corner of the nation.

yeah, you have to be a member to read that, so pass.

Did you hear Stephen A Smith and Jason Whitlock discussing this on the LeBatard show?

I did..

Anyway, the reason I brought it up is I thought Whitlock had the best argument so far against Rush. Whether you agree with Rush or not, you can't deny that he is at the center of controversy fairly often and it's not really in the league's best interest to have to answer to it all the time. It doesn't matter if the radio show is separate from the NFL, the media is still going to ask players about whatever the current controversy is.

I thought it was a valid point even though I don't believe that's the reason for him being shut out.

Yea, Marge Schott really distracted us all from the game of baseball...

Cool Anyway, the reason I brought it up is I thought Whitlock had the best argument so far against Rush. Whether you agree with Rush or not, you can't deny that he is at the center of controversy fairly often and it's not really in the league's best interest to have to answer to it all the time. It doesn't matter if the radio show is separate from the NFL, the media is still going to ask players about whatever the current controversy is.

I thought it was a valid point even though I don't believe that's the reason for him being shut out.

Edit: I think you edited your post right before I started replying...

Anyway, I think you're making too big of a deal about the bus comment that seems to be the go to comment to show Rush is a racist.

Both of them had differing views on the subject; did you expect them to come out and defend Rush?

Whitlock's point was that Rush was too controversial, not that he was anti-black.

I don't remember Smith calling anyone a sellout. I do remember him challenging black athletes to become involved rather than just taking a paycheck. I don't see that as a bad thing. I also don't think telling people that they should become informed rather than just listening to what the media says is a bad thing either.

By RUSH LIMBAUGH
David Checketts, an investor and owner of sports teams, approached me in late May about investing in the St. Louis Rams football franchise. As a football fan, I was intrigued. I invited him to my home where we discussed it further. Even after informing him that some people might try to make an issue of my participation, Mr. Checketts said he didn't much care. I accepted his offer.

It didn't take long before my name was selectively leaked to the media as part of the Checketts investment group. Shortly thereafter, the media elicited comments from the likes of Al Sharpton. In 1998 Mr. Sharpton was found guilty of defamation and ordered to pay $65,000 for falsely accusing a New York prosecutor of rape in the 1987 Tawana Brawley case. He also played a leading role in the 1991 Crown Heights riot (he called neighborhood Jews "diamond merchants") and 1995 Freddie's Fashion Mart riot.

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Rush Limbaugh
.Not to be outdone, Jesse Jackson, whose history includes anti-Semitic speech (in 1984 he referred to Jews as "Hymies" and to New York City as "Hymietown" in a Washington Post interview) chimed in. He found me unfit to be associated with the NFL. I was too divisive and worse. I was accused of once supporting slavery and having praised Martin Luther King Jr.'s murderer, James Earl Ray.

Next came writers in the sports world, like the Washington Post's Michael Wilbon. He wrote this gem earlier this week: "I'm not going to try and give specific examples of things Limbaugh has said over the years because I screwed up already doing that, repeating a quote attributed to Limbaugh (about slavery) which he has told me he simply did not say and does not reflect his feelings. I take him at his word. . . . "

Mr. Wilbon wasn't alone. Numerous sportswriters, CNN, MSNBC, among others, falsely attributed to me statements I had never made. Their sources, as best I can tell, were Wikipedia and each other. But the Wikipedia post was based on a fabrication printed in a book that also lacked any citation to an actual source.

I never said I supported slavery and I never praised James Earl Ray. How sick would that be? Just as sick as those who would use such outrageous slanders against me or anyone else who never even thought such things. Mr. Wilbon refuses to take responsibility for his poison pen, writing instead that he will take my word that I did not make these statements; others, like Rick Sanchez of CNN, essentially used the same sleight-of-hand.

The sports media elicited comments from a handful of players, none of whom I can recall ever meeting. Among other things, at least one said he would never play for a team I was involved in given my racial views. My racial views? You mean, my belief in a colorblind society where every individual is treated as a precious human being without regard to his race? Where football players should earn as much as they can and keep as much as they can, regardless of race? Those controversial racial views?

The NFL players union boss, DeMaurice Smith, jumped in. A Washington criminal defense lawyer, Democratic Party supporter and Barack Obama donor, he sent a much publicized email to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell saying that it was important for the league to reject discrimination and hatred.

When Mr. Goodell was asked about me, he suggested that my 2003 comment criticizing the media's coverage of Donovan McNabb—in which I said the media was cheerleading Mr. McNabb because they wanted a successful black quarterback—fell short of the NFL's "high standard." High standard? Half a decade later, the media would behave the same way about the presidential candidacy of Mr. Obama.

Having brought me into his group, Mr. Checketts now wanted a way out. He asked me to resign. I told him no way. I had done nothing wrong. I had not uttered the words these people were putting in my mouth. And I would not bow to their libels and pressure. He would have to drop me from the group. A few days later, he did.

As I explained on my radio show, this spectacle is bigger than I am on several levels. There is a contempt in the news business, including the sportswriter community, for conservatives that reflects the blind hatred espoused by Messrs. Sharpton and Jackson. "Racism" is too often their sledgehammer. And it is being used to try to keep citizens who don't share the left's agenda from participating in the full array of opportunities this nation otherwise affords each of us. It was on display many years ago in an effort to smear Clarence Thomas with racist stereotypes and keep him off the Supreme Court. More recently, it was employed against patriotic citizens who attended town-hall meetings and tea-party protests.

These intimidation tactics are working and spreading, and they are a cancer on our society.

Mr. Limbaugh is a nationally syndicated talk radio host.