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DonkSlayer
No read.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 4.4 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Button (t780)
SB (t1790)
BB (t3050)
Hero (UTG) (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1930)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1900)
MP3 (t1470)
CO (t860)

Hero's M: 50.00

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, J
Hero bets t60, 5 folds, Button calls t60, 2 folds

Flop: (t150) 10, 4, 6 (2 players)
Hero bets t100, Button calls t100

Turn: (t350) J (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

River: (t350) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets t60, Button raises to t620 (All-In)...
SwolyswoND
Gotta be honest, no idea what to do here. Your river bet screams weakness so he can be doing this with air, so I guess you have to call?

This is why I'd either c/c or bet more on river. A normal sized river bet tells the villain that you're probably not folding, so he won't try to bluff, making it easier to fold to a raise.
DonkSlayer
QUOTE (SwolyswoND @ Thursday, October 1st, 2009, 8:08 PM) *
Gotta be honest, no idea what to do here. Your river bet screams weakness so he can be doing this with air, so I guess you have to call?

This is why I'd either c/c or bet more on river. A normal sized river bet tells the villain that you're probably not folding, so he won't try to bluff, making it easier to fold to a raise.


but I can't fold if I bet like t160.
SwolyswoND
If you really do feel that way, c/c is probably best.

Edit: c/c is my preference as well, but I wouldn't blame someone who wants to b/f for t160. I certainly like that line better than b/c for 60, or b/f 60 for that matter.
SGFULTON83
I probably fold here since we aren't ahead of too much. It's definitely a tough spot since our river bet does look very weak and villian could be bluffing. However, at this level most villians aren't re-raising rivers on a stone bluff alot. Keep in mind that I am a nit, so I like folding alot.
outsider13
No read other than Button (t780) in the first level. I call, but not to crazy about it.
rrumsey
uhm checked turn? you could have bet that and known where you where on river easier imo
qnshustler
I'm putting in around 200 on the turn, hoping he shoves and we snap to see his flopped flush with Qxss.
QUOTE (DonkSlayer @ Thursday, October 1st, 2009, 8:29 PM) *
but I can't fold if I bet like t160.

While I hate your river bet, you seem that you made it so that you could b/f more easily, which I don't hate, like SGFULTON said I'm a nit too. But honestly folding doesn't feel very good here, esp. in a 4.40.

This should go without saying, but 4.40 or not, this is why you shouldn't be opening AJo UTG, esp. this early.
DonkSlayer
I agree that we should've bet the turn and been fine with getting it in there, nh guys. I also think checking the river back was probably best so as not to induce a bluff shove.
MaxStPolish
QUOTE (DonkSlayer @ Thursday, October 1st, 2009, 6:51 PM) *
No read.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 4.4 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Button (t780)
SB (t1790)
BB (t3050)
Hero (UTG) (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1930)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1900)
MP3 (t1470)
CO (t860)

Hero's M: 50.00

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, J
Hero bets t60, 5 folds, Button calls t60, 2 folds

Flop: (t150) 10, 4, 6 (2 players)
Hero bets t100, Button calls t100

Turn: (t350) J (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

River: (t350) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets t60, Button raises to t620 (All-In)...


Being a 4.40, and being he's already half stacked (which i take to be indicative of an action whore), I snap call this fully expecting to see a missed spade of his own, with a possible pair that you beat at best.

As noted above, i bet the turn here....that being said, as played I expect to hero-ish call (even though I think you are actually +EV in a 4.40 this early vs. a half stack) and take the pot.
SwolyswoND
QUOTE (rrumsey @ Friday, October 2nd, 2009, 12:12 AM) *
uhm checked turn? you could have bet that and known where you where on river easier imo


Betting turn would be for value, not to "know where you were."

I agree though, a turn bet is in order.
tbrick412
I would snapcall this, but I think check/calling is the best line here
BeaverStyle
Snappy snap snap
Fade2241
i shove the turn against a stack like this all day long. as played i prob call too unless i have a read he's tight or something.
SwolyswoND
QUOTE (Fade2241 @ Friday, October 2nd, 2009, 10:21 AM) *
i shove the turn against a stack like this all day long. as played i prob call too unless i have a read he's tight or something.


2x PSB? Seems a little excessive, no? 250 or so should do the trick, as well as induce some weaker shoves.
Avii
Yeah, without reads I call this quickly. Villain sees your river bet as weakness a large percentage of the time. Harrington followers would call this a "Post Oak" bluff.
rrumsey
QUOTE (SwolyswoND @ Friday, October 2nd, 2009, 6:27 AM) *
Betting turn would be for value, not to "know where you were."

I agree though, a turn bet is in order.

pretty much same difference! i know people here hate! people saying that!
SwolyswoND
It's not the same though, rumsey. The sooner you start realizing that and figure out why you are making bets/raises, the more you'll start to improve.
Fade2241
QUOTE (SwolyswoND @ Friday, October 2nd, 2009, 7:46 AM) *
2x PSB? Seems a little excessive, no? 250 or so should do the trick, as well as induce some weaker shoves.


i shove for value, try and get a fd to call their remaining stack with only 1 to come. most people will only call the smaller bet, thus losing value imo. that's why i shove!
Dhall901
Bet the turn. Villian folds. NH.

As played snap.


Only thing that could improve fade's pic is if the baby had a shovel in his hand. THAT would be perfect.
Fade2241
QUOTE (Dhall901 @ Tuesday, October 13th, 2009, 10:01 AM) *
Bet the turn. Villian folds. NH.

As played snap.


Only thing that could improve fade's pic is if the baby had a shovel in his hand. THAT would be perfect.


lol i'm not an image guru but i would love to see it!
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