DonkSlayer
Thursday, October 1st, 2009, 3:51 PM
No read.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 4.4 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed) -
Poker-Stars Converter Tool from
FlopTurnRiver.comsaw flopButton (t780)SB (t1790)
BB (t3050)
Hero (UTG) (t1500)UTG+1 (t1930)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1900)
MP3 (t1470)
CO (t860)
Hero's M: 50.00Preflop: Hero is UTG with A

, J
Hero bets t60,
5 folds, Button calls t60,
2 foldsFlop: (t150) 10

, 4

, 6
(2 players)Hero bets t100, Button calls t100
Turn: (t350) J
(2 players)Hero checks, Button checks
River: (t350) 3
(2 players)Hero bets t60,
Button raises to t620 (All-In)...
SwolyswoND
Thursday, October 1st, 2009, 4:08 PM
Gotta be honest, no idea what to do here. Your river bet screams weakness so he can be doing this with air, so I guess you have to call?
This is why I'd either c/c or bet more on river. A normal sized river bet tells the villain that you're probably not folding, so he won't try to bluff, making it easier to fold to a raise.
DonkSlayer
Thursday, October 1st, 2009, 4:29 PM
QUOTE (SwolyswoND @ Thursday, October 1st, 2009, 8:08 PM)

Gotta be honest, no idea what to do here. Your river bet screams weakness so he can be doing this with air, so I guess you have to call?
This is why I'd either c/c or bet more on river. A normal sized river bet tells the villain that you're probably not folding, so he won't try to bluff, making it easier to fold to a raise.
but I can't fold if I bet like t160.
SwolyswoND
Thursday, October 1st, 2009, 6:40 PM
If you really do feel that way, c/c is probably best.
Edit: c/c is my preference as well, but I wouldn't blame someone who wants to b/f for t160. I certainly like that line better than b/c for 60, or b/f 60 for that matter.
SGFULTON83
Thursday, October 1st, 2009, 7:59 PM
I probably fold here since we aren't ahead of too much. It's definitely a tough spot since our river bet does look very weak and villian could be bluffing. However, at this level most villians aren't re-raising rivers on a stone bluff alot. Keep in mind that I am a nit, so I like folding alot.
outsider13
Thursday, October 1st, 2009, 8:32 PM
No read other than Button (t780) in the first level. I call, but not to crazy about it.
rrumsey
Thursday, October 1st, 2009, 9:12 PM
uhm checked turn? you could have bet that and known where you where on river easier imo
qnshustler
Friday, October 2nd, 2009, 3:08 AM
I'm putting in around 200 on the turn, hoping he shoves and we snap to see his flopped flush with Qxss.
QUOTE (DonkSlayer @ Thursday, October 1st, 2009, 8:29 PM)

but I can't fold if I bet like t160.
While I hate your river bet, you seem that you made it so that you could b/f more easily, which I don't hate, like SGFULTON said I'm a nit too. But honestly folding doesn't feel very good here, esp. in a 4.40.
This should go without saying, but 4.40 or not, this is why you shouldn't be opening AJo UTG, esp. this early.
DonkSlayer
Friday, October 2nd, 2009, 4:09 AM
I agree that we should've bet the turn and been fine with getting it in there, nh guys. I also think checking the river back was probably best so as not to induce a bluff shove.
MaxStPolish
Friday, October 2nd, 2009, 4:52 AM
QUOTE (DonkSlayer @ Thursday, October 1st, 2009, 6:51 PM)

No read.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 4.4 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed) -
Poker-Stars Converter Tool from
FlopTurnRiver.comsaw flopButton (t780)SB (t1790)
BB (t3050)
Hero (UTG) (t1500)UTG+1 (t1930)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1900)
MP3 (t1470)
CO (t860)
Hero's M: 50.00Preflop: Hero is UTG with A

, J
Hero bets t60,
5 folds, Button calls t60,
2 foldsFlop: (t150) 10

, 4

, 6
(2 players)Hero bets t100, Button calls t100
Turn: (t350) J
(2 players)Hero checks, Button checks
River: (t350) 3
(2 players)Hero bets t60,
Button raises to t620 (All-In)...
Being a 4.40, and being he's already half stacked (which i take to be indicative of an action whore), I snap call this fully expecting to see a missed spade of his own, with a possible pair that you beat at best.
As noted above, i bet the turn here....that being said, as played I expect to hero-ish call (even though I think you are actually +EV in a 4.40 this early vs. a half stack) and take the pot.
SwolyswoND
Friday, October 2nd, 2009, 5:27 AM
QUOTE (rrumsey @ Friday, October 2nd, 2009, 12:12 AM)

uhm checked turn? you could have bet that and known where you where on river easier imo
Betting turn would be for value, not to "know where you were."
I agree though, a turn bet is in order.
tbrick412
Friday, October 2nd, 2009, 6:41 AM
I would snapcall this, but I think check/calling is the best line here
BeaverStyle
Friday, October 2nd, 2009, 7:10 AM
Fade2241
Friday, October 2nd, 2009, 7:21 AM
i shove the turn against a stack like this all day long. as played i prob call too unless i have a read he's tight or something.
SwolyswoND
Friday, October 2nd, 2009, 7:46 AM
QUOTE (Fade2241 @ Friday, October 2nd, 2009, 10:21 AM)

i shove the turn against a stack like this all day long. as played i prob call too unless i have a read he's tight or something.
2x PSB? Seems a little excessive, no? 250 or so should do the trick, as well as induce some weaker shoves.
Avii
Friday, October 2nd, 2009, 10:58 AM
Yeah, without reads I call this quickly. Villain sees your river bet as weakness a large percentage of the time. Harrington followers would call this a "Post Oak" bluff.
rrumsey
Saturday, October 3rd, 2009, 6:38 PM
QUOTE (SwolyswoND @ Friday, October 2nd, 2009, 6:27 AM)

Betting turn would be for value, not to "know where you were."
I agree though, a turn bet is in order.
pretty much same difference! i know people here
hate! people saying that!
SwolyswoND
Sunday, October 4th, 2009, 6:42 AM
It's not the same though, rumsey. The sooner you start realizing that and figure out why you are making bets/raises, the more you'll start to improve.
Fade2241
Monday, October 5th, 2009, 8:24 AM
QUOTE (SwolyswoND @ Friday, October 2nd, 2009, 7:46 AM)

2x PSB? Seems a little excessive, no? 250 or so should do the trick, as well as induce some weaker shoves.
i shove for value, try and get a fd to call their remaining stack with only 1 to come. most people will only call the smaller bet, thus losing value imo. that's why i shove!
Dhall901
Tuesday, October 13th, 2009, 10:01 AM
Bet the turn. Villian folds. NH.
As played snap.
Only thing that could improve fade's pic is if the baby had a shovel in his hand. THAT would be perfect.
Fade2241
Wednesday, October 14th, 2009, 9:57 AM
QUOTE (Dhall901 @ Tuesday, October 13th, 2009, 10:01 AM)

Bet the turn. Villian folds. NH.
As played snap.
Only thing that could improve fade's pic is if the baby had a shovel in his hand. THAT would be perfect.
lol i'm not an image guru but i would love to see it!
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