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Avii
This is the literal first hand. Is there any value to be had on that river ever?
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Avii (Button) (t1500)
SB (t1500)

Avii's M: 50.00

Preflop: Avii is Button with 7 icon_suit_heart.gif, 7 icon_suit_diamond.gif
Avii bets t60, SB calls t40

Flop: (t120) 6 icon_suit_heart.gif, 4 icon_suit_spade.gif, 7 icon_suit_spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Avii bets t80, SB calls t80

Turn: (t280) 5 icon_suit_club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Avii bets t160, SB calls t160

River: (t600) 9 icon_suit_club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero (t1200) ?
TrueAce13
I mean, i don't think it is the worst board tbh, if he is calling you on the flop, he could have 5x, top pair, or FD. The calling down seems like a FD. I'm vbetting this river a lot of the time
rrumsey
QUOTE (TrueAce13 @ Tuesday, September 29th, 2009, 2:19 PM) *
I mean, i don't think it is the worst board tbh, if he is calling you on the flop, he could have 5x, top pair, or FD. The calling down seems like a FD. I'm vbetting this river a lot of the time

+1 but don't push, just 1/2 pot river and tank fold to a shove. Maybe just 1/3 suck bet.
SGFULTON83
I like a 1/2 pot bet here. Most people aren't going to be able to check-raise the nuts on the river, so I would expect a straight to bet the river almost always. If we do get raised, a fold would be in order.
Nashtak
I'd rather check here in case he's trapping. We have been betting on every streets afterall. I probably wouldn't slowplay here if i were villain, but i sure as hell wouldn't call with anything weakier than a straight. We are in position so no need to worry about appearing weak, just check it down.

Do you guys believe there is any value in betting hoping for a pair to call?
Mercury69
I'd be more inclined to check behind, rather than pop in a bet that could easily get repopped (by an 8 or a bluff...could happen).
RISEorFall
i would bet like 250-300 and fold to a shove.
he most likely has the 5 if he was going for a straight, and with his turn call he probably has 2 pair that will have a hard time folding.
Nashtak
QUOTE (RISEorFall @ Wednesday, September 30th, 2009, 5:35 PM) *
i would bet like 250-300 and fold to a shove.
he most likely has the 5 if he was going for a straight, and with his turn call he probably has 2 pair that will have a hard time folding.


He had a pair and an open-ended straight draw and decided to check-call it instead of leading out or check-raise what could easily be a c-bet?

What is it that you see that i don't?
rrumsey
i think a check loses lots of value to possible weaker set IMO. personally i think villain may be horrible this is a weird board and he is still around so if he is good we are dead and if he sucks we pass go and collect $11
TrueAce13
QUOTE (Mercury69 @ Wednesday, September 30th, 2009, 12:09 PM) *
I'd be more inclined to check behind, rather than pop in a bet that could easily get repopped (by an 8 or a bluff...could happen).

Checking here is horrible imo. The board texture isn't as great as it appears b/c it was a gutter straight draw, the FD missed. If we get c/r'ed, I'm prolly going broke here tbh.

We are going to be getting value from top pair, two pair, and a weaker set (though I don't think he has a weaker set or a set here like ever)...we are getting value from a ton of hands. It is just really unlikely that he called down with a gutter imo
Avii
Tnx guys, great responses so far!

The consensus seems to be that we should b/c. I checked behind because
1) I have strong showdown value, so I'd definitely hate to b/f
2) I have no idea what kind of villain this is
3) board is too coordinated, which is a great opportunity to bluff an unknown imo


so i k'd behind. villain showed up with flopped top two.
TrueAce13
sounds about right
RISEorFall
QUOTE (Nashtak @ Wednesday, September 30th, 2009, 4:36 PM) *
He had a pair and an open-ended straight draw and decided to check-call it instead of leading out or check-raise what could easily be a c-bet?

What is it that you see that i don't?

my point was that he most likely has 2 pair, and the 5 shouldnt scare us too much because if he was going for a straight he probably had the 5, not drawing to it.
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