Avii
Tuesday, September 29th, 2009, 1:15 PM
This is the literal first hand. Is there any value to be had on that river ever?
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Avii (Button) (t1500)
SB (t1500)
Avii's M: 50.00Preflop: Avii is Button with 7

, 7
Avii bets t60, SB calls t40
Flop: (t120) 6

, 4

, 7
(2 players)SB checks,
Avii bets t80, SB calls t80
Turn: (t280) 5
(2 players)SB checks,
Avii bets t160, SB calls t160
River: (t600) 9
(2 players)SB checks, Hero (t1200) ?
TrueAce13
Tuesday, September 29th, 2009, 1:19 PM
I mean, i don't think it is the worst board tbh, if he is calling you on the flop, he could have 5x, top pair, or FD. The calling down seems like a FD. I'm vbetting this river a lot of the time
rrumsey
Tuesday, September 29th, 2009, 1:25 PM
QUOTE (TrueAce13 @ Tuesday, September 29th, 2009, 2:19 PM)

I mean, i don't think it is the worst board tbh, if he is calling you on the flop, he could have 5x, top pair, or FD. The calling down seems like a FD. I'm vbetting this river a lot of the time
+1 but don't push, just 1/2 pot river and tank fold to a shove. Maybe just 1/3 suck bet.
SGFULTON83
Wednesday, September 30th, 2009, 5:52 AM
I like a 1/2 pot bet here. Most people aren't going to be able to check-raise the nuts on the river, so I would expect a straight to bet the river almost always. If we do get raised, a fold would be in order.
Nashtak
Wednesday, September 30th, 2009, 9:49 AM
I'd rather check here in case he's trapping. We have been betting on every streets afterall. I probably wouldn't slowplay here if i were villain, but i sure as hell wouldn't call with anything weakier than a straight. We are in position so no need to worry about appearing weak, just check it down.
Do you guys believe there is any value in betting hoping for a pair to call?
Mercury69
Wednesday, September 30th, 2009, 12:09 PM
I'd be more inclined to check behind, rather than pop in a bet that could easily get repopped (by an 8 or a bluff...could happen).
RISEorFall
Wednesday, September 30th, 2009, 1:35 PM
i would bet like 250-300 and fold to a shove.
he most likely has the 5 if he was going for a straight, and with his turn call he probably has 2 pair that will have a hard time folding.
Nashtak
Wednesday, September 30th, 2009, 3:36 PM
QUOTE (RISEorFall @ Wednesday, September 30th, 2009, 5:35 PM)

i would bet like 250-300 and fold to a shove.
he most likely has the 5 if he was going for a straight, and with his turn call he probably has 2 pair that will have a hard time folding.
He had a pair and an open-ended straight draw and decided to check-call it instead of leading out or check-raise what could easily be a c-bet?
What is it that you see that i don't?
rrumsey
Thursday, October 1st, 2009, 10:01 AM
i think a check loses lots of value to possible weaker set IMO. personally i think villain may be horrible this is a weird board and he is still around so if he is good we are dead and if he sucks we pass go and collect $11
TrueAce13
Thursday, October 1st, 2009, 10:42 AM
QUOTE (Mercury69 @ Wednesday, September 30th, 2009, 12:09 PM)

I'd be more inclined to check behind, rather than pop in a bet that could easily get repopped (by an 8 or a bluff...could happen).
Checking here is horrible imo. The board texture isn't as great as it appears b/c it was a gutter straight draw, the FD missed. If we get c/r'ed, I'm prolly going broke here tbh.
We are going to be getting value from top pair, two pair, and a weaker set (though I don't think he has a weaker set or a set here like ever)...we are getting value from a ton of hands. It is just really unlikely that he called down with a gutter imo
Avii
Friday, October 2nd, 2009, 10:42 AM
Tnx guys, great responses so far!
The consensus seems to be that we should b/c. I checked behind because
1) I have strong showdown value, so I'd definitely hate to b/f
2) I have no idea what kind of villain this is
3) board is too coordinated, which is a great opportunity to bluff an unknown imo
so i k'd behind. villain showed up with flopped top two.
TrueAce13
Friday, October 2nd, 2009, 12:49 PM
sounds about right
RISEorFall
Monday, October 5th, 2009, 10:10 AM
QUOTE (Nashtak @ Wednesday, September 30th, 2009, 4:36 PM)

He had a pair and an open-ended straight draw and decided to check-call it instead of leading out or check-raise what could easily be a c-bet?
What is it that you see that i don't?
my point was that he most likely has 2 pair, and the 5 shouldnt scare us too much because if he was going for a straight he probably had the 5, not drawing to it.
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