4 left in one of those turbo KO doublestack mtt sng's on tilt. I know I Have a very short stack but could still get out pretty cheaply here and if I shove I'll get called for sure (which may make some responders say "sweet!")

Only real read is that both UTG calls off a little loose and has played with me the whole time and prob has a good idea of my ranges.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 6.5 Tournament, 2500/5000 Blinds 600 Ante (4 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Hero (BB) (t34877)
UTG (t94055)
Button (t91860)
SB (t49208)

Hero's M: 3.52

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 9
UTG bets t10000, 1 fold, SB raises to t48608 (All-In)...

alll you can eat baby

this ainec

Disagree, I think it is close. We've had the 99 debate multiple times in this forum, and I'm aware how short we are, but I think UTG is almost certainly calling here and 99 is going to be a pretty big dog all in 3ways here.

Personally I fold and wait to be able to shove myself (or at least get it HU). We're in desperation mode but so is everyone else for the most part so first-in vigorish is going to be huge no matter our stack sizes. Even though we are short, we still have > 1/3 of the big stack's count.

I think this is key...if you've played one of these before, you know that at the ft, if chips are relatively evenly distributed, you're lucky and a bigstack to have 20bb's.

Also note that getting ko'd vs lasting another place is a meaningful % of the prizepool, so let's assume that i"m not just playing this for the glory.

Gimme a mulligan...breezed through the post first time and didn't catch all the details. Yes it is close actually. I don't hate a fold and the reasoning is fine. I think in action I wind up shoving, but folding may be better.

We're 4 handed, we have 7 big blinds. Small blind's range is soooooo wide here. This is a snap call. Not even close.

This. So is UTGs really.

Callcallcallcallcallcall

AINEC. Call.

i personally flip a coin and go on that fold and ship almost totally break even so i guess idk i dont see me in the heat of the moment folding here a lot even thou i love swolys reasoning here, this being key "Even though we are short, we still have > 1/3 of the big stack's count.'' That is so huge of a peice of info. Everyone is folding or open shoving if we survive a little bit longer we may steal a few pots to get out of danger, but 99 is probably about 50% here. flip a coin and be able to sleep better tonight knowing it was out of your control LOL!

LOL@ believing this is 50-50. I mean, it'd require a pretty huge read to believe UTG isn't range isn't soooooooooooooo wide here and SB isn't shoving sooooooooooooooooo wide here.

99 is more than likely a dominant favorite over his shoving range.

1.) It doesn't matter that much because we are just that short with a ton of dead money, and yah we could be up against 2 villains with overs, not too bad to coinflip for a triple up
2.) that is awfully nitty to put him only on 10's+ and like AK. He could be overshoving KQ+, 9's+, A10+ go back a few weeks ( 2 months at most) there was a post on overshoving call ranges in tournies it works for this too. I can't find it im not going to waste another 30 more minutes but if anyone wants to find it and post link it was a cool question and drew like 3 pages about an open and an overshove near the bubble and what calling range should be. It was a great post and similar ranges which we had some heated discussion over i think relate here because i believe the hand in question was either 9's or 10's.

I think I misunderstood your post. Or we misunderstood eachother's. I'm confused.

Either way, we snap call here every day, and rub one out in the process when we see we've got the villain(s) dominated.

oh ok i then we do agree but it is fringe or maybe a slightly -ev but just too hard to fold imo

if both villains have overs, were not a coinflip, were a close dog (32%). if they share an overcard, we're a good favorite (45%), and against something like KJ and A8 we're about 39%. facing just 2 overs combined like A8 and Q9 were like 44%. this is all good equity wise but we'll be out of the tournament more than half the time by calling. but we'll have a small chip lead a good amount of the time.

i guess it depends if you think you have any fold equity in the next couple hands. if youre playing for first calling's good. but if you dont mind moving up a pay grade or two, folding is fine. here we have 0 FE, and the possibility of someone busting. after this hand we can have atleast as much equity as we do in this spot, plus fold equity, though the pots will be smaller and we'll still be short stacked which hurts our chances of winning.

+1

And based on the blinds at the moment, I think we do have enough FE in the next hands to fold here.

I reluctantly fold.

I don’t want to call off my tournament with 99.

If I’m shoving, I’m cool going with 99.(obv) But I think I’m getting two callers every time.

The UTG is loose and SB shove feels like a big hand.

imo this is pretty read dependant.

if UTG has been stealing a lot and taking advantage of his bigger stack i think the SB's shoving range here is pretty light. since the UTG's calling range is light as well, which i think it makes it close but 4 handed i simply can't get away from a mid pair here with that stack size - i call. still, very close tho imo.

Jammhammer!

Everything that donk4life has said is what I want to say.

ICM makes this vvvvv close, but given any reasonable ranges I think it's a call.

Reads on UTG would be useful. If i call, i don't want UTG to call too. If i fold, i don't want UTG to fold too.

If you call and he calls, you are more likely behind and in a bad spot. No matter who win between UTG or villain, you are out in 4th if your nines don't win.
If you fold and he folds, it's just as bad as you missed out on a possible race where you were favourite against the other small stack.
If you fold and he calls, you have a free shot at being 3rd.
If you calls and he folds, you have a good chance at being back in this.

That's how i see it.

Your whole play rely so much on his therefor your reads on him.

Without any reads, i would probably call. With your call, he's still got only around 2.2 to 1 pot odds for almost half of his stack in a multi-way pot with 2 all-in. His range for raising 10k is probably much larger than his range for calling you both.

I like the call. Yes, we're probably racing against AK, etc. I think it's less likely you're dominated by a bigger pair, but it's not out of the question. I also think it's unlikely that the initial bettor will call and make it 3 way. Their bet is one of those min raises that deserves to get a hot poker shoved up their arse. That bieng said, it could easily be AA, but just as often it's a speculative hand.

lol, you def want UTG to call b/c his range is so wide and he can't really fold a lot of hands to that action w/ stack sizes as they are.

We have nines. His range could be as wide as him raising with Q10, it would still be bad for us if he called without 1 under-card (lol if he calls with A8 btw). I still see him fold here more often than not.

assign nittier ranges if poss., wouldn't be surprised if he's opening like 50% of hands here

That's probably true, but I think his calling range would be significantly tighter even if he's getting good odds. It's conceivable he's calling with any 2 suited connectors, but folding Broadway cards unless one is an A. Opefully, there's been at least a couple of hands you've seen him play that could help you decide whether to call or not.

Without a read, I'm still likely to call, as they may be duping each others outs.

he's never folding Broadway cards here, just the lower weak end of his Kx-Jx hands.

Are these two above drunken levels? I even disagree with this threads' resident tourney pro...I think UTG calls at least 70% of his range here. He's getting like a birrion to 1 by only having to put in 30k more chips.




I would be pissed if I shoved and then UTG found a fold.....and we have to be in worse shape against the pusher's range than UTG's for sure.

ftr I didn't mean he's calling 50% of his range, I meant he's opening like 50-60% of hands here and calling a majority of that range