CAMPAIGN:

"We are five days from changing this country...I promise you that I will always listen to you, especially when we disagree".

means: I am here, with open arms, to listen/consider/debate both sides of the arguments



NOW:

"This bickering has got to stop"

means: I am losing this debate badly now (and I never lose you jackasses) so enough. I want what I want, and your ideas suck, so shut the fuck up already.




Feel free to post any and all Obama quotes/broken promises.



The problem with this guy is that, in 9 months since being elected, he has already given more speeches and/or been on TV more than any other president has during their entire 4 years term. When is the campaigning going to stop? Where is the genius? the brilliance? the good times? the change? the transparency?????????????, etc. etc. etc.


Joke. You Obama lovers have all been duped. Many of you have to admit....even you never expected this....

In a way, you are right. Balloon Guy promised me the conservatives would treat the President with much more respect and class than the left did to Bush.

Instead, we got death panels, witch doctors, birthers, assault rifles at presidential appearances, crazy ranting at town halls, hitler comparisons, parents freaking out about the President encouraging their kids to stay in school, Glenn Beck, "You lie!", and a whole host of other paranoid, disgraceful behavior.

As has been pointed out here ad nauseum, Obama's domestic policies leave a LOT to be desired. The GOP could easily be winning this debate on the issues. But, for whatever reason, they have chosen to entrench themselves deeper in the loony bin.

So, I can either defend Obamanomics (hard to do as he keeps pushing a bad health care platform) or I can join in with a group of insane people or I can sit on the fence with the Blue Dogs and applaud Obama's foreign policy while making it clear I think his health care reform idea is bad. Easy choice.

I will agree with one thing.....Obama would be well served to stay off TV for a month. It's enough, now.

Well, we are not all nuts and loonies, lol.


Like any protests/protesters, the stuff the TV folks pick to show are often the extreme examples of people making asses of themselves. My take is many of those folks have never spoken out before and have no idea how to best express themselves. They feel they have no voice now, want to be heard, let their emotions get the better of them and end up making a scene they never intended. They are pissed and frustrated and have no idea what is coming or how bad it might get, etc. Some are scared and are clearly overreacting and this is not helping their concerns obviously. And then they are being taken advantage of and their outbursts spun to paint them as radical redneck idiots (and therefore all anti Obama protesters must be redneck idiots too, yes? lmao).

I get the frustration. Obama is not just another president. Most fence sitters thought he was truly an open armed guy who would be honest and fair to all. I mean that's what he said he would do. And after Bush this all seemed like a welcome sigh of relief and everyone wanted that. Change and efforts to fix broken programs were and are needed, and most do agree with this concept, even now. Hell I wanted that!, who wouldn't?!

But in reality (sad to admit) it appears as if the talk radio folks were right about him. He is arrogant and indeed does seem like the neo Maxist racial they said he might be, with an agenda so sweeping, if successful, will change this country like never before. Most people just don't want that. They wanted a guy to bring new ideas in to fix America and make it better, not change America so radically and abruptly it becomes less like America and more like some foreign country.

He was also supposed to be a man of the people, a guy from outside the Washington beltway, a guy who would not be business as usual. Well guess what?...

As far as disrespect goes (or what our Beloved Balloon promised) horse feathers. I could go back and find hundreds of example of the Democrats (in Washington and the general public) crucifying Bush just as badly, if not worse. He deserved it too in many instances. But that's just politics. That's just the way is and neither side can cry about it. They are both equally guilty. But this is what makes America so great. The RIGHT of people to assemble and protest (i.e. Freedom of Speech, something many in this administration want to curtail by the way....silence the opposition... very scary. I thought the Democrats were about diversity, acceptance of others views, tolerance and against censorship in any form????)


Not sure where this goes. I was hoping I was wrong about Obama. I wanted to see a reasoned and rational approach and was actually hoping to see some encouraging new ideas. What I see is exactly the opposite.


I am afraid of this guy. I do not trust this guy. I am afraid for how badly he could hurt this country and it's economy.

Obama has been precisely what a reasonable person should have expected. It was widely reported before the election that he had the most liberal voting record in the senate, was a Union lackey, he was a proponent of Acorn, he was a member of an openly radical church with psycho path pastor, his wife quote as saying she had never been proud of her country…the list is endless.



Nutz you are a very informed person…obviously very intelligent and you are surprised by this?? I don’t understand how anyone could be surprised. Trees = Forrest!!



The last potential turning point in this country will be the midterm elections. The senate must get a couple of seats back….I don’t care at this point about a majority but under 60 is HUGE!! Just think those dumb asses in Minnesota send a freakin comedian to the Senate and Arlen (magic bullet) Specter changed his party and bam, here we are.



If you didn’t see this coming you weren’t being objective. If you truly believe what is happening is good you shouldn’t be an American. The side of your party is not important. What these clowns are doing is attempting to change history. The left can complain about Hitler references, Stalin references and the rest but this guy, his arrogance and what he doing in just 9 months is scary stuff. It is unprecedented and certainly un-American.



The people will pay severe price for this…it is going to take at least a generation to repair what this man has done…and what blind voters put him power to do…lucky for us the poor and the middle class will get hit the hardest. It does seem fitting though since they put him in power.

naw, I saw it.

I was trying really hard this time to try to see the other side as unbiasedly as possible, tried to keep an open mind (very difficult and failed many times btw), be hopeful, for myself and my friends (many of whom were sure he was the one). I had lost some friends before after elections, didn't want that to happen again.

I guess I don't get how you can simultaneously criticize him for being exactly the same and at the same time for changing too much.

The fact is that you just don't like the changes. I'm pretty sure you didn't vote for him, so this makes sense.

You all can pray that what comes out of the Finance Committee will be a better bill than what went in. It might even be okay. Not great mind you but okay. Max Baucus has gotten an earful from the people of Montana. And if there's one thing he's good at it's keeping the people of Montana happy.

Wait... what?

QFT.... the president that promised to get us out of the middle east has instead given us W on steroids.

Same with deficit spending.

Same with civil rights violations.

It's both humorous and appalling that anyone on the left attempts to defend Obama for all the things they criticized Bush for.

Well I would admit that I don't like change generally. I'm going to surmise that most folks do not either.

But I am not opposed to changes, and eventually accept them and some point, especially ones that enhance something I already like or am familiar with. But I did not want the country slipping deeper into the control of big daddy, the Federal government. I thought (or tried to think) that some of that would have to happen, whatever, they won so they get their turn in the barrel. But the speed and sense of urgency (especially on health care) that this train is moving just seems very politically driven and totally reckless. It also has a sense of anger and desperation, like it's now or never. Why the rush?

Lest I be put on trial for poor clarity, the point was that I feel many people definitely wanted things to get better and that anyone would be better than Bush.

I do not how ever believe that many knew what having Obama running things would really mean and/or to the extent that he is trying to take things.


And no, I did not vote for him, but once he got elected I honestly tried to be objective, while knowing his mindset and beliefs are 180-degrees to mine.

He promised no such thing. He said he would pull troops out of Iraq, and step up the effort in Afghanistan. Which is exactly what he did.

My take is that its such a difficult issue to get legislation passed on (how many administrations have tried this now?) that the feeling is if it doesn't happen when it is this close it will never happen. I think that's where the sense of urgency comes from.

And as for being politically driven, well, we are talking about politics right?



I think you overestimate the displeasure of the American public with the Obama administration, ( partly from spending time in this snake pit? ). More than half approve of his job (only 41% disapprove) in the latest Gallup poll. The populace is evenly divided on the health care issue:



So I don't think there is some backlash against Obama from his original supporters. I think those who originally didn't like him just feel stronger now.

This is exactly what you whack jobs did to Bush - pot meet kettle

ENJOY - it won't stop... Thank you for waking a sleeping country

Repeat after me YES WE CAN YES WE CAN

I think Cain was referring to the claim by BG that the Republicans would behave with more class than the Democrats did. Surprise surprise, they haven't. I think both of them were more than a bit naive to think that it would be otherwise.

A few points:

- Characterizing ACORN as an 'evil' or 'bad' organization is ridiculous.

- Characterizing Obama's church as "radical" is simply false.

- Characterizing that church's pastor as "psychopathic" is ridiculous, and false.




The stuff about how anybody who supports his policies is un-American, and how what he's doing is really huge and scary and is gonna make our country the next USSR - I don't really know how to address it except to say that you're paranoid. I mean, he really isn't re-writing the Constitution. Is it the health care which you guys are all up in arms about, or is it something else, or is it a combination?

Is this post a joke?

Not even a little bit. The idea that Obama went to a radical church and that his pastor is offensive and belligerent is quite simply false. And ACORN is a community organization which does things like get books for schools. That there was an embezzlement scandal or whatever is irrelevant to the goal of the organization. Saying "Acorn!" as an insult towards Obama is just meaningless.

You're incorrect (about the bolded part)... but I still love you.

One thing I am not is paranoid, it is 625 here in the East I have not had a coffee yet and that made me laugh...that doesn't happen very often.

In 9 months he has spent countless $$ on bailouts, stimulus that is and will continue to be watsed and not needed, taken over countless banks, taken over auto companies and now he wants to take over health care....our country used to be a freedom based and capitalist free enterprise system. If you don't find what he is doing huge, scary and un-American then you just refuse to see the obvious.

RACIST!!!!!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8258011.stm

Jimmy Carter said it so it must be true...LOL

one should note that the bailouts and much of the interest-free loans were done on Bush's watch, and it was obviously the right move.

"taken over countless banks" ... I think you mean "allowed the FDIC to follow its official policy, in force since the great depression?"

Bush started it, which was stupid...then BHO put it on steriods. The bills are going to have to be paid at some point. I have read that every American owes between 30k and 60k as of now...i guess it depends how much we really end up spending. I have faith in our government, both sides, that we will err to spending more not less. Where is going to come from? Ah yes i know, we will tax the rich...got it. People will then continue to lose jobs, not get raises, have reductions in benefits assuming they get them at all.

Did you ever notice that when you raise taxes and gross sales go down the governement actually collects less money...no you never noticed that did you? You in good company the Democrats in Washington are still trying to figure that out as well.

They did? Democratic congress people heckled him during his speeches? Made homemade signs? Waved pieces of paper at him?

Democratic protesters brought assault rifles to presidential appearances? Accused Bush of not being a citizen?

The lack of decorum from conservative activists and conservative politicians has been disgusting and has gone beyond anything Bush experienced over 8 full years in 9 months.


There is a huge gulf between "Bush is an idiot and should not be in charge of anything" and "Obama is Kenyan and he wants to destroy America and kill your grandmother."

Maybe there is some truth to both....just sayin.

lol Americans. Sorry intelliglbe articulate Americans but these are the ones that we notice.

You posted this link because I am white didn't you? You racist!



and lol JimmyCarteraments.



Fact is the real racists are the ones always bringing up the issue, the ones conveniently throwing out the race card every time there is any Obama-esque disagreement.



I am not racist, and it is so easy to prove.......observe this simple logic path below:


I love chocolate.


Obama is the color of chocolate.


I love Obama.



DUH!

Nonsense.

Seriously, sometimes you can be pretty reasonable, but lately you've been posting things that simply have no basis in fact.

This tactic of blind opposition actually started when Clinton was president and the Republicans controlled the House. This tactic was if not developed by, then certainly perfected by, the Democrats.

During their 8 years in office, Bush/Cheney in particular, and the Republican Party in general, were blocked and mocked in their every step. Every Step. Don't you even dare to try and rewrite that part of recent history.

They were met with protests, signs, slogans, chants, lies, insinuations, and knee-jerk opposition to any, and I mean any, statements or proposed legislation. Go back and actually listen to Bush's speeches to Congress and tell me there weren't mumblings and sounds of discord. "You lie" just happened to be at a point of relative quiet and therefore singularly louder than intended. Luckily it also happened to be true. Bush/Cheney, Palin, and other Conservatives were called unspeakable things by the opposition - and frankly, that continues today. When the Democrats can't develop a message of their own, they attack the messenger as well as the message without any substance to their argument. Carter, often cited as the worst President EVER, is now calling the Republican opposition Racists. Racists because we want to block the socialization of America! Nice deflection Jimmy.

For the first time in recent months the Republicans are actually unifying into a single loud voice. The problem with these tactics is, they work. Republicans are trying to use the media, Internet, and other forms of communication to blast their message - this is what they learned from the Liberals. I cannot and will not sit here and listen to the outrageous hypocrisy of someone on the Left criticizing these tactics unless they were opposed to them when they were (and continue to be) deployed against the conservatives.

The thing is, I still don't condone these tactics. It is wrong when the Democrats deploy these tactics and it is just as wrong for the Conservatives to rely upon them. As I have said, the Conservatives, WE Conservatives, have to put aside the demagoguery and leave that to the Democrats.

The strength of a message is in the reason behind it, not in the number nor volume of the voices shouting it.

This word isn't accurate if associated with 'bailouts'. He was the only one to do the low interest loans, however. (I don't believe that any of the Bush TARP loans were interest-free.)

Also, TARP was, like you said, loans... not handouts.

Nope, I promised Bush would show more class when he left office than Clinton showed when he left.

I never said the right would not be stupid...that would be dumb to say after they put up McCain for prez.





I wonder though if maybe as a country we are not ready for a black president.

I mean if you disagre with him you are a racist, that's no way to run a country, having a person who has a lot of power be able to snap his fingers and say: "Don't look at what I am proposing, look at how I am turning the issue into race everytime I am about to lose."


Of course to be fair, Obama isn't turning this into race, that dumb broad did, what's her name. Man we screwed up when we gave them the vote huh? I think we can all agree on that.

Jimmy Carter.

I didn't hear about this, when did people bring assult rifles to an Obama appearance? Seems hard to believe.




I hardly think this is true, it is funny to me though to step away and look at how you believe this, when I see such a different view. Reminds me that seeing how the other side thinks sometimes can help you try to bridge the gap and find solutions to this problem. The solution I now see is for you to shut your mouth...



( I wanted to end with the word; Jew, because of the funny over the top ending but I can't bring myself to even joke racist to someone I think would laugh about it with me because I think it's in bad taste.)

Carter from his perspective was correct.








His perspective being an ineffective president with almost no working brain cells.

Bush has showed tons of class. I will give him that. It sucks that some guy wrote a tell all asserting Bush's opinions about McCain, Romney, Palin and Obama......not that we can trust tell all books too much (thanks Tom Ridge).

Obama has never made anything about race. That's Jimmy Carter who should stick to Habitat for Humanity. I just look at Pot Odds post and I feel like he does not address the main issue. When Bush spoke, you might hear a little Democratic grumbling. You did not hear audible jeers or see pre-planned sign protests. That crap is completely bush league. Sure, Code Pink people did that....they are twits. But you never saw that from Democratic congressmen.

It is such flagrant disrespect that it has prompted people to suspect there are racist motives. I dont buy that. But that does not make the disrespect ok.

Pot Odds, my main disagreement with your post would be when this blind opposition started. It has its roots in the Bill Clinton bj scandal not the early years of Bush (especially since Bush enjoyed very broad support for a good chunk of time after 9/11).....and lets be honest, the Dems could NEVER invent such an effective political strategy.

edit: They spent a good 5-10 minutes on the last Real Time With Bill Maher discussing whether the tone of the protests by the right had racist underpinnings. Might be interesting viewing for some people.

Why is it so hard to stay on topic?

You claimed that Obama is buying up a bunch of banks. That's FDIC policy for bank failures, and they generally immediately hand over control to other banks at a loss. It has been their policy for over 70 years, and it happens way more often than the media would lead you to believe.

If you're talking about TARP moneys, you have to understand that the bill was written to buy bad assets and then got re-engineered after the fact to purchase preferred stock aka non-voting equity. The only REALLY glaring instance of meddling was when Paulson forced BofA to go through with the acquisition of Merrill despite the fact that Lewis had valid reason to back out. Again, all of this happened under Bush.

Listen, I'm no Obama supporter... I think he sucks on a number of issues. It just really bothers me to see the inaccurate BS being spewed about him here.


Yep, that's why I said "much of the low-interest loans" and not "much of the bailouts."

I agree with the practice in the context of what happened, so I'm not gonna check to see who used more capital doing it. My gut says the $350B+ that went to TARP probably outweighs whatever Obama has done so far, but I don't know for sure, and it seems pretty irrelevant anyway. The situation forced whoever was in office to do it regardless of their political leanings.

Nah.. I think the left found a good move that the press will report for them and they stuck with it.

During Bush, they said some very disrespectful things about our troops, The right called them on it and they made up the claim that the right said: "If you disagree with the president you are unpatriotic". The press let them get away with this and they made this a standard line to allow them to continue to be complete idiots without being allowd to be called on it.
Now they are trying to make it stick for Obama because they can't defend him.

It's just a standard line of the left, the idea that they not only know our inner minds, but our motivations and our very soul. All while looking at Obama's skin all the time.


As far as the level of shouting, I think Joe was wrong for saying what he said out loud 'at that venue' the president speaking before congress should have a level of respect that outburst should not be allowed. I mean..we're not the British parliment!

Wow, I didn't know about the gun toting protesters.

Obv the president's detail put that guy on a list I bet he would rather not be on, and I think he was being a complete idiot because he is only adding fuel to the anti gun nazis out there.

He is an idiot, but unfortunately, it's not against the law to be an idiot. Otherwise the entire democrat party would overwhelm the jails...

I don't know if these over-the-top tactics are "wrong" or if they are new, but I do think they are certainly counter-productive to the conservative agenda. Basically any sympathy I have for that point of view is diminished when I see an Obama-as-Hitler poster. The congressperson breaking decorum and then refusing to apologize? The hyperbole about Obama "destroying freedom" and being evil and whatnot just makes it really hard to listen to.

If this legislation is SO BAD that it will RUIN THE COUNTRY, then vote in a conservative congress and change the laws back. These are all policy changes, not things which change the functioning of our democracy. The pendulum will swing back the other way like it always does.

After thinking about this a little more, I think part of what is going on is that conservatives have a really hard time being in the ultra-minority position they are in. Conservatism is all about keeping things under control, and with the presidency and total control of congress in the hands of the democrats, they must feel just totally out of control. I think that's where the desperation is coming from.

Liberals are more comfortable being in the minority position. After all, hippies just love to protest against the big bad government! They know how to play the underdog role a little better, and it makes more sense to them. Conservatives, on the other hand, don't really have a handle on how to behave effectively in this position.

Funny, but a lot of people said the exact same thing when they were in power. They didn't know how to act being in power after being out for so long.

I would agree with you but the liberals are never in a real minority position when they have the full power of the MSM at their disposal. They are never in danger of their views being mostly supressed.

The whole racist thing is now the driving narrative of all, and I do mean all, of the MSM regarding opposition to Obama's healthcare plan. It remains to be seen whether or not this is actually going to help Obama in the long run. Accusing those with a different view than the president as racist at every turn is only going to appeal to those far to the left of center. I actually think Obama is smart enough to know this, but he is going to use any tool at his disposal to get a health care bill pushed through, even if it means demonizing opponents. After all that is how he learned to play the game in Chicago, so much for change.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngMs_4I1__o

i think "leader of the opposition" might be the coolest official title i've ever heard in government.

kind of Star Wars, isn't it?

Hey, did you know that an anagram for Barack is Ackbar?

Biggest Trap Ever?

The Republican is the one on the left...

Reps vs Libs

More quality footage of the American political system in action

I think the other thing that gets you guys so upset is that you do see where this is going in 2012 when he will be able to say:

1. I averted the economic crisis
2. I pulled the country out of recession.
3. I reformed health care
4. I pulled our troops out of Iraq
5. I took care of business in Afghanistan
6. I softened relations with North Korea
7. I made progress with Iran on their nuclear program (talks start next week)
8. I called Kanye West a jackass

how could you not re-elect me?

At least one of the people at the rally in Arizona with the AR-15 was carrying a reform now sign, another was african american...

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/PHXBeat/60504

Here is your courtesy link to all the Looney Left's "Kill Bush" Signs
http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

a few of them have him with the Hitler mustache