Just wondering what some of guys would do. There are 60 people left and both villains have been very tight. I have yet to have seen either one of them bluff at a hand.




Table '193259962 13' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: JB-poker01 (5028 in chips)
Seat 2: NoUse4ANick (5030 in chips)
Seat 4: Roma-Tilt (1904 in chips)
Seat 5: SuperMom57 (3505 in chips)
Seat 6: FromSamara (6325 in chips)
Seat 7: NESportsFan1 (8733 in chips)
Seat 8: petya7474 (3858 in chips)
Seat 9: KottemWins (1412 in chips)
SuperMom57: posts small blind 75
FromSamara: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JB-poker01 [8s 8c]
NESportsFan1: raises 300 to 450
petya7474: folds
KottemWins: folds
JB-poker01: calls 450
NoUse4ANick: folds
Roma-Tilt: folds
SuperMom57: folds
FromSamara: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [Tc 8h Jc]
FromSamara: checks
NESportsFan1: bets 1200

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How much has UTG been C-betting?

Other than 10-10 and J-J this flop misses his range. I believe you are ahead more than you are not with the bottom set here, plus you will still have 20 BB's if you lose so I don't mind the shove here. It's unlikely that both villains can call you. If UTG has a higher set it's a cooler, not much you can do.

UTG has yet to do anything really. He has played maybe 2 hands in the 30 that i have been there, all of them were limp, fold

Both villians have us covered.

Please convert your hands.

Sorry you ran into JJ/TT or got outdrawn by AA, KK, QQ, AK, AQ....or w/e. Shove all day.

Oops, misread the chips counts sorry about that guys.

I still think it's a shove though.

WTF? You has a set and its a very drawy board. Get your chips in the middle as soon as possible.

Kinda what i was expecting you guys would say. So btw i did shove. Bb shoved behind me, followed by a snap call from UTG. BB had a set of tens and UTG had AcQc.

Thanks

would anyone like a fold or a raise a decent % of the time with 88 in middle position that preflop call seems weak we are set mining and don't have expressed odds, we are decently deep so i guess we do have implied odds but i hate flatting a tight UTG open with 88 in middle position we could get stuck in a very bad spot what do you all think

As played you have to shove set too bad thou

I didn't see the point in raising PF. The stacks are big enough that i could get an easy double up on a A-x-8 board or something similar. I don't see how raising would accomplish anything. Since UTG is so tight, the fact that he raised means he probably has something and wont fold to a bet of anything less than a shove.

+1

BBFIDTS

No and no, but its certainly closer to a fold than it is to a raise.

You're almost never going to actually have the expressed odds to set mine PF (7.5:1), the implied is all that matters in NL. Typically we need implied odds of at least 12:1 to set mine, because not only do you have to hit the set but you won't always stack your opponent, so we need better IO to compensate. Here we have at least 12:1 implied, plus another caller in-between (this is good for set mining, better chance of stacking at least one player) - so EZ call.

WTF does raising do? A typical UTG opening range is like AJ+, 99+, KQ (maybe add in AT and 77-88 if player is LAG and/or bad). If you 3bet you're just narrowing his range further to something that crushes you.

Calling >>>>> Folding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Raising

I really don't think we are deep enough to flat here preflop. I think calling here is the worst option by quite a large margin. We barely have the implied odds if we know villain stacks off 100% of the time when we hit a set. We don't see a flop here sometimes though and we don't even win every time we hit a set.

If we think UTG is really tight we should probably fold.

If we make it to this flop though folding can't even cross our mind.

Fold >>>call >>raise

for pre


Can't see how the flop is anything but a shove.

I think flatting preflop is just fine.. a fold wouldnt be that bad either, but reraising PF is bad imo. i prob fist pump shove the flop, then tilt out of any other tournaments i'm playing cuz i just got stacked set>set in a monstah pot.

You have a set, get it in. Do people actually fold sets? I don't recall if I've ever folded a set on any flop.

Cram that junk in that trunk and lose to a flush draw...

You spiked the 8 right?

I think this is one of those hands where you go, 'Well, that sucked.'

Now the poker gods owe you one. It all evens out in the end.