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I was really in to my girl Natalie until she went all Goddy on us last night. I mean come on, save it for the Wsop FT or something. I'm sure she'll make top 3 if she stays tight with Russel and Brett. Not sure if I can see a scenario where she wins though.
I'll tell you guys one thing... I'm an absolute LOCK to finish 2nd place, as I predicted at the beginning of the season, with my horse Jaison. That dude is definitely finishing 2nd. He can't possibly win, even if it was just a final 2 and it was him and Natalie he would still lose. He can't win 1 vs. 1 in any remaining scenario, let alone 1 vs 1 vs 1.
QUOTE (brvheart @ Friday, December 18th, 2009, 11:10 PM) 
I'll tell you guys one thing... I'm an absolute LOCK to finish 2nd place, as I predicted at the beginning of the season, with my horse Jaison. That dude is definitely finishing 2nd. He can't possibly win, even if it was just a final 2 and it was him and Natalie he would still lose. He can't win 1 vs. 1 in any remaining scenario, let alone 1 vs 1 vs 1.
If Russell is in final 3 and Brett is not, can he possibly get all 9 votes? I think maybe.
QUOTE (brvheart @ Thursday, September 17th, 2009, 2:04 PM)
It took me quite a while to decide to put Jaison in front of him... and I did it because I figured that he would at least get 3rd... and Erik might be too good and kicked out earlier. But I definitely think that Erik has at least a 50% better chance of winning the whole thing than Jaison since: he's not black.
^^^ genius
QUOTE (Pot Odds RAC @ Friday, October 2nd, 2009, 7:23 AM)
I agree that [Russell H] has been as effective at manipulating his tribe as he thought he could be.
Where has that gottten him?
A tribe that is completely a mess and no real alliance that will mean anything long term. The goal isn't to destroy your tribe so you are the last man standing from it. Sure, Johnny Fairplay showed that the Villain can make it as far as Third Place, get a little infamy, and first out on the eventual Survivor All Star Season. But ultimately known best for being a prick and getting his teeth knocked out by Danny Bonaduce
I do think he may be one of the rare cases where he plays his immunity idol instead of going home with it in his backpack.
I still think he's a prick and doubt that he's an "Oil Company Millionaire"
Where has that gottten him?
A tribe that is completely a mess and no real alliance that will mean anything long term. The goal isn't to destroy your tribe so you are the last man standing from it. Sure, Johnny Fairplay showed that the Villain can make it as far as Third Place, get a little infamy, and first out on the eventual Survivor All Star Season. But ultimately known best for being a prick and getting his teeth knocked out by Danny Bonaduce
I do think he may be one of the rare cases where he plays his immunity idol instead of going home with it in his backpack.
I still think he's a prick and doubt that he's an "Oil Company Millionaire"
o rly?
QUOTE (brvheart @ Thursday, October 22nd, 2009, 9:19 PM)
I'm going to do a mid-season re-ranking of the people, just for fun.
Here's what I had before I knew anything about anyone:
My new ranking list...
1 Russell Hantz 36 I can't believe how amazing he is. Probably top 3 ever. I'm glad we'll get to see him next season on All-Stars.
2 Jaison Robinson 28 He's a pussy, but he's well liked and he's friends with Russell, which is the only reason he's not 5 or lower here.
3 Dave Ball 38 I can't believe I'm putting Dave this high. He's really been much much better that I would have ever guessed. (I still think he has no shot at winning.)
4 Brett Clouser 23 He's insignificant, which means he has a shot at winning.
5 Mick Trimming 33 I probably like him the best of all the remaining players. (But he won't win.)
6 Erik Cardona 28 His blow-up at tribal tonight will cost him the game. You simply can't make Russell hate you.
7 Kelly Sharbaugh 25 worthless.
8 Laura Morett 39 worthless. Although, due to Russell talking with her next week, she has a shot at going far.
9 John Fincher 25 worthless.
10 Elizabeth Kim 33 Stupid, but hard working. Russell doesn't like her, so she's gone soon.
11 Natalie White 26 worthless.
12 Monica Padilla 25 worthless.
13 Shannon Waters 45 worthless. Will end up finishing like 3rd or 4th though, because like the guys on her tribe said. “She's really dumb, so let's keep her around.”
14 Russell Swan 42 Weird old black dude
15 Ashley Trainer 22 The blond that has gut. Jeff says he wouldn't be surprised if she goes far.
16 Yasmin Giles 33 Jeff wouldn't be surprised if she was 1st out.
17 Ben Browning 28 Has an anger problem.
18 Betsy Bolan 48 Cop
19 Mike Borassi 62 Chef
20 Marisa Calihan 26 Thinks she'll get eaten by her tribe.
I didn't rank the people that are already out. I just put them in the order they left. I think Marisa was really really good. It's a shame she left so early. Everyone else that has been kicked out has been stupid or worthless... including Russell.
Here's what I had before I knew anything about anyone:
My new ranking list...
1 Russell Hantz 36 I can't believe how amazing he is. Probably top 3 ever. I'm glad we'll get to see him next season on All-Stars.
2 Jaison Robinson 28 He's a pussy, but he's well liked and he's friends with Russell, which is the only reason he's not 5 or lower here.
3 Dave Ball 38 I can't believe I'm putting Dave this high. He's really been much much better that I would have ever guessed. (I still think he has no shot at winning.)
4 Brett Clouser 23 He's insignificant, which means he has a shot at winning.
5 Mick Trimming 33 I probably like him the best of all the remaining players. (But he won't win.)
6 Erik Cardona 28 His blow-up at tribal tonight will cost him the game. You simply can't make Russell hate you.
7 Kelly Sharbaugh 25 worthless.
8 Laura Morett 39 worthless. Although, due to Russell talking with her next week, she has a shot at going far.
9 John Fincher 25 worthless.
10 Elizabeth Kim 33 Stupid, but hard working. Russell doesn't like her, so she's gone soon.
11 Natalie White 26 worthless.
12 Monica Padilla 25 worthless.
13 Shannon Waters 45 worthless. Will end up finishing like 3rd or 4th though, because like the guys on her tribe said. “She's really dumb, so let's keep her around.”
15 Ashley Trainer 22 The blond that has gut. Jeff says he wouldn't be surprised if she goes far.
16 Yasmin Giles 33 Jeff wouldn't be surprised if she was 1st out.
17 Ben Browning 28 Has an anger problem.
18 Betsy Bolan 48 Cop
19 Mike Borassi 62 Chef
20 Marisa Calihan 26 Thinks she'll get eaten by her tribe.
I didn't rank the people that are already out. I just put them in the order they left. I think Marisa was really really good. It's a shame she left so early. Everyone else that has been kicked out has been stupid or worthless... including Russell.
^^^ genius
QUOTE (Governator @ Friday, October 23rd, 2009, 7:27 AM)
GG Mike, sorry your horse had to go out that way.
I do like my guy Erik, I'm happy that he stood up to Russell last night and I think his tribe is behind up all the way. I have a feeling he might become the new tribe leader if not Dave.
brvheart - Russell might be very entertaining and the only real good personality on the yellow tribe. He's fun to watch not to mention his rants are great but I certainly wouldn't rank Russell H and Jaison as the top 2 players in the game to win (Maybe the most likeable).
Their tribe has 5 ppl left compared to 8. If a merge happens in the next 2 weeks they don't have the numbers right now to push the game. Judging by the previews Russell deserves credit for trying to make friends with the other tribe next week but to guarantee Laura final 2.... She'd have to be stupid to believe it LOL.
Whenever there is a merge the strongest players from the smaller alliance are the targets, I think Russell is going to have to know when to use his idol in order to go deep and to be honest I hope he does.
I do like my guy Erik, I'm happy that he stood up to Russell last night and I think his tribe is behind up all the way. I have a feeling he might become the new tribe leader if not Dave.
brvheart - Russell might be very entertaining and the only real good personality on the yellow tribe. He's fun to watch not to mention his rants are great but I certainly wouldn't rank Russell H and Jaison as the top 2 players in the game to win (Maybe the most likeable).
Their tribe has 5 ppl left compared to 8. If a merge happens in the next 2 weeks they don't have the numbers right now to push the game. Judging by the previews Russell deserves credit for trying to make friends with the other tribe next week but to guarantee Laura final 2.... She'd have to be stupid to believe it LOL.
Whenever there is a merge the strongest players from the smaller alliance are the targets, I think Russell is going to have to know when to use his idol in order to go deep and to be honest I hope he does.
o rly?
QUOTE (brvheart @ Friday, October 23rd, 2009, 10:53 AM)
Obviously Russell and Jaison will have targets... but the merge isn't happening for 2 or 3 more weeks, probably... and who knows what the make-up of the teams will be by then. Whenever one team dominates, the smaller team always ends up doing very well at the new tribe, because no one's worried about them. Look at JT and Steven! They had lost 5 people and the other tribe only 2, and they both ended up 1st and 2nd. The same scenario could easily play out here.
^^^ genius
QUOTE (brvheart @ Friday, October 30th, 2009, 9:47 PM)
As soon as Jaison quit pushing the boat... I was like, "Oh crap... I'm out". But on the way to tribal, they had Russell basically talk out why he would be stupid to cut him and then I was relieved. I was even more relieved after viewing the clips from next week. No way Jaison is out before top 5 now... and I like his chances on individual immunities. I don't think he's a team player at all, but should do ok on his own. I just hope he doesn't win a couple in a row or Russell will boot him early.
Russell really is just fun to watch. He is easily the best survivor since Boston Rob, and if it weren't for the fact that Boston Rob was manipulating the votes ON THE OTHER TRIBE WHEN HE WASN'T EVEN THERE... then I might even put Russell ahead of him. A couple more awesome episodes and the unthinkable might happen. Boston Rob dethroned.
Russell really is just fun to watch. He is easily the best survivor since Boston Rob, and if it weren't for the fact that Boston Rob was manipulating the votes ON THE OTHER TRIBE WHEN HE WASN'T EVEN THERE... then I might even put Russell ahead of him. A couple more awesome episodes and the unthinkable might happen. Boston Rob dethroned.
^^^ genius. (written in October)
QUOTE (Governator @ Thursday, November 12th, 2009, 9:40 PM)
Wow... one of the best episodes of all time. I was actually fist pumping tiger woods style when they were writing down russell's name.
What a game shifter, Russell just jumped up a few notches on the respectability level. Seeing Dave's reaction was hilarious, "wooow".
I'm kind of torn, never thought I'd cheer for shambo but she has to make the full switch to keep russell & his crew in the game. However, if she goes next week I win my bet although that seems to be very unlikely unless her old alliance feels betrayed.
What a game shifter, Russell just jumped up a few notches on the respectability level. Seeing Dave's reaction was hilarious, "wooow".
I'm kind of torn, never thought I'd cheer for shambo but she has to make the full switch to keep russell & his crew in the game. However, if she goes next week I win my bet although that seems to be very unlikely unless her old alliance feels betrayed.
Wait, what!? You're SICK!
QUOTE (king_tanner @ Saturday, December 19th, 2009, 1:40 AM)
If Russell is in final 3 and Brett is not, can he possibly get all 9 votes? I think maybe.
Very possible.
Not taking into consideration immunity, I think the pecking order is pretty straightforward. Brett goes next, then Jaison, Russ, and Nat turn on Mick in the final 4. He's a little too likable.
Assuming Brett's gone, their strategies seem easy:
Russell just needs to get to final 3 and he wins.
Jaison maybe thinks he can convince the jury at the end that he called all the shots as much as Russell but stayed in the background and less vocal. (Not many will buy this)
Mick needs to convince Nat and Jaison in the final 4 to turn on Russell because they can't beat him. (which they can't, but Nat and Jaison probably can't beat Mick either)
Natalie has almost zero chance to win, but has a great chance to coast into 2nd place money.
Assuming Brett's gone, their strategies seem easy:
Russell just needs to get to final 3 and he wins.
Jaison maybe thinks he can convince the jury at the end that he called all the shots as much as Russell but stayed in the background and less vocal. (Not many will buy this)
Mick needs to convince Nat and Jaison in the final 4 to turn on Russell because they can't beat him. (which they can't, but Nat and Jaison probably can't beat Mick either)
Natalie has almost zero chance to win, but has a great chance to coast into 2nd place money.
QUOTE (bleacherbum3 @ Saturday, December 19th, 2009, 3:47 AM)
Not taking into consideration immunity, I think the pecking order is pretty straightforward. Brett goes next, then Jaison, Russ, and Nat turn on Mick in the final 4. He's a little too likable.
Assuming Brett's gone, their strategies seem easy:
Russell just needs to get to final 3 and he wins.
Jaison maybe thinks he can convince the jury at the end that he called all the shots as much as Russell but stayed in the background and less vocal. (Not many will buy this)
Mick needs to convince Nat and Jaison in the final 4 to turn on Russell because they can't beat him. (which they can't, but Nat and Jaison probably can't beat Mick either)
Natalie has almost zero chance to win, but has a great chance to coast into 2nd place money.
Assuming Brett's gone, their strategies seem easy:
Russell just needs to get to final 3 and he wins.
Jaison maybe thinks he can convince the jury at the end that he called all the shots as much as Russell but stayed in the background and less vocal. (Not many will buy this)
Mick needs to convince Nat and Jaison in the final 4 to turn on Russell because they can't beat him. (which they can't, but Nat and Jaison probably can't beat Mick either)
Natalie has almost zero chance to win, but has a great chance to coast into 2nd place money.
Why would anyone get rid of Jaison? It makes no sense. He will not win. If he even tries to take any of the credit, it will just make him look worse. He would be much better off just saying he's a poor college kid and Russ is a rich a-hole.
The winner will be either Russell, Brett, or Mick. They can't get rid of them all. They HAVE to get rid of Russell and Brett to even make it interesting. They (Jaison, Mick and Nat) must realize that they can not win in any scenario over Brett or Russell, and if they all DO somehow get smart and make the final 3, then Mick will end up winning. (although I think the vote will be widely split)
I don't get why everyone is so on the Mick train, he hasn't done much more than Natalie imo. If they were able to get rid of Russel and Brett, my girl may have a hope. She was involved in many of the decisions that were made but she didn't piss a lot of people off.
That and she has God on her side...
If I win I am going to play the Mil next sunday and donate a percentage to the pool.
That and she has God on her side...
If I win I am going to play the Mil next sunday and donate a percentage to the pool.
QUOTE (Canuckickstan @ Saturday, December 19th, 2009, 3:20 PM)
I don't get why everyone is so on the Mick train, he hasn't done much more than Natalie imo. If they were able to get rid of Russel and Brett, my girl may have a hope. She was involved in many of the decisions that were made but she didn't piss a lot of people off.
That and she has God on her side...
If I win I am going to play the Mil next sunday and donate a percentage to the pool.
That and she has God on her side...
If I win I am going to play the Mil next sunday and donate a percentage to the pool.
I'd vote for Natalie to win over Mick and Jaison.
QUOTE (king_tanner @ Saturday, December 19th, 2009, 5:26 PM)
I'd vote for Natalie to win over Mick and Jaison.
As would I, but I don't believe that that is how the vote would go down. She is in sales for a living though, so she might be able to change votes at final tribal.
I know they said hidden immunity idols can't be used anymore, but Russell is totally going to find an immunity idol that can be used.
QUOTE (vbnautilus @ Saturday, December 19th, 2009, 11:59 PM)
I know they said hidden immunity idols can't be used anymore, but Russell is totally going to find an immunity idol that can be used.
Haha!
FINALE NIGHT!!!! WOOO
I'm looking forward to next season. It's rumored that Russel will be playing again.
I'm looking forward to next season. It's rumored that Russel will be playing again.
Come onnnn Russel!! One time!
QUOTE (troyomac @ Sunday, December 20th, 2009, 4:36 PM)
Come onnnn Russel!! One time!
this
Put spoiler tag just in case someone doesn't want to read this.
tyty Russell!!
Ship the $75
I know Mick shouldn't even win this. And am rooting for Russell!!!
tyty Russell!!
Ship the $75
I know Mick shouldn't even win this. And am rooting for Russell!!!
unfucking believable.
Guess that's the way a bunch of pussies vote.
Guess that's the way a bunch of pussies vote.
I'm almost happy to see it. While I think Russel played AMAZING, and 100% deserved the win, I really really really hated the way he was rubbing it in at camp and telling Natalie how to play against the jury and stuff. He kind of deserved to have his ego stuffed, imo.
LOL WOW!
Shouldn't have even been close.
Sad it went down like that because they felt he was "a bad person" or whatever terms you want to use.
Russell played the game EXTREMELY well.
Great Season.
Shouldn't have even been close.
Sad it went down like that because they felt he was "a bad person" or whatever terms you want to use.
Russell played the game EXTREMELY well.
Great Season.
QUOTE (SAM_Hard8 @ Sunday, December 20th, 2009, 9:06 PM)
unfucking believable.
Guess that's the way a bunch of pussies vote.
Guess that's the way a bunch of pussies vote.
QFT, Russel by far played the best game but all the bitches voted against him because he totally owned them all. Russel won in my mind. Natalie was just a follower. I also think Russel made the best arguments at the final vote.
edit: I'd like to see how much the voting would differ after a year. Take a year off and watch the show and think about how much Russel controlled the game. I wasn't even in this pool and he won in my mind, by far.
I agree with all the spoilers above, even Troyo's to an extent.
Wow, Russell looks so visibly upset, I'm just waiting for him to start crying. I mean, he played his ass off to win, he did everything and of course I expect him to be upset, anyone that gave THAT much to the game would be.
Heroes Vs Villains
W00t!
QUOTE (Voldemort @ Sunday, December 20th, 2009, 7:59 PM)
Heroes Vs Villains
W00t!
Yes!!
This just destroyed the season, that really sucks. Russell turned this into a different game, and instead a bunch of bitter sour grapes losers decides that a second-stringer wins. Sigh.
I haven't read anyone's responses to the finale yet... but here are my thought's.
**** YOU BRETT!! If Brett hadn't won that last immunity then Jaison was definitely going with Russell to the finale (he even said exactly what I had posted a few days ago) and I would have won my $75. I hate Brett.
If Jaison wasn't such a little girl then Russell could have taken him instead of Mick, but he simply didn't trust Jaison to beat Brett even over NATALIE. You know that you are not a man when someone chooses an 95lb woman over you for a challenge.
Has anyone on earth ever been born with the intelligence and body/strength of Jaison and been a bigger, dumber idiot/wimp?
HOW THE HOLY HELL DOES AN IVY LEAGUE LAW STUDENT AND A DOCTOR NOT FIGURE OUT THAT THEY HAVE TO GET RID OF RUSSELL AS SOON AS BRETT WINS IMMUNITY!?!?!?!?!?
Russell lost because of his cockiness AFTER winning the final immunity all the way through to the finale. It's amazing that he couldn't figure that out. Natalie was FINE with getting 2nd, but Russell personally got her riled up and thinking. Russell's ego is something to behold.
I loved Erik's speech. He probably swung at least 2 votes, maybe more, for Natalie.
**** YOU BRETT!! If Brett hadn't won that last immunity then Jaison was definitely going with Russell to the finale (he even said exactly what I had posted a few days ago) and I would have won my $75. I hate Brett.
If Jaison wasn't such a little girl then Russell could have taken him instead of Mick, but he simply didn't trust Jaison to beat Brett even over NATALIE. You know that you are not a man when someone chooses an 95lb woman over you for a challenge.
Has anyone on earth ever been born with the intelligence and body/strength of Jaison and been a bigger, dumber idiot/wimp?
HOW THE HOLY HELL DOES AN IVY LEAGUE LAW STUDENT AND A DOCTOR NOT FIGURE OUT THAT THEY HAVE TO GET RID OF RUSSELL AS SOON AS BRETT WINS IMMUNITY!?!?!?!?!?
Russell lost because of his cockiness AFTER winning the final immunity all the way through to the finale. It's amazing that he couldn't figure that out. Natalie was FINE with getting 2nd, but Russell personally got her riled up and thinking. Russell's ego is something to behold.
I loved Erik's speech. He probably swung at least 2 votes, maybe more, for Natalie.
QUOTE (hblask @ Sunday, December 20th, 2009, 11:10 PM)
This just destroyed the season, that really sucks. Russell turned this into a different game, and instead a bunch of bitter sour grapes losers decides that a second-stringer wins. Sigh.
:EYEROLL:
THAT IS PART OF THE GAME! Russell can't expect it to just get handed to him. He screwed himself. Everyone knows he played the best during the season, but the finale is included in the season, and he screwed the pooch by pissing off Natalie at camp and letting his ego run wild.
NO ONE SHOULD HAVE EVEN KNOWN THAT HE WAS RICH!!! It was his EGO that cost him the season. If he didn't tell Mick that he made 1.7m last year, then Mick wouldn't tell Jaison and Jaison wouldn't tell everyone else. If he was just a poor small business owner from Louisiana, then he wins. But he has absolutely no self-control over praising himself.
btw, I like Russell and am very glad he's coming back next season. If he does it again, it would be the greatest feat in the history of reality television.
QUOTE (brvheart @ Monday, December 21st, 2009, 12:12 AM)
I loved Erik's speech. He probably swung at least 2 votes, maybe more, for Natalie.
As soon as he ended, my wife and I looked at each other and said....
"That speech just won Natalie a million bucks!"
I'm so glad no one decided to take me up on my girls vs boys bet.
QUOTE (Naked_Cowboy @ Wednesday, September 16th, 2009, 8:16 AM)
bet? I'll put $20 on the male gender
king_tanner (Soquel)
I'm not that disappointed that Natalie won, but Russell truly deserved it. What it came down to was a shitty group of people on the jury.
Love how Russell threw Jaison's socks in the fire again.
WOw, ship the title !
QUOTE (king_tanner @ Monday, December 21st, 2009, 12:24 AM)
Love how Russell threw Jaison's socks in the fire again.
Jaison is such a pussy. He's going to be a great affirmative action lawyer.
Also, the jury deliberation was pretty lol. They either edited it down A LOT, or they were the lamest jury in the history of survivor. "Mick what would we do on a mandate?" wtf?
If this was any other jury in survivor history Russell would have won.
If this was any other jury in survivor history Russell would have won.
QUOTE (brvheart @ Monday, December 21st, 2009, 12:15 AM)
:EYEROLL:
THAT IS PART OF THE GAME! Russell can't expect it to just get handed to him. He screwed himself. Everyone knows he played the best during the season, but the finale is included in the season, and he screwed the pooch by pissing off Natalie at camp and letting his ego run wild.
NO ONE SHOULD HAVE EVEN KNOWN THAT HE WAS RICH!!! It was his EGO that cost him the season. If he didn't tell Mick that he made 1.7m last year, then Mick wouldn't tell Jaison and Jaison wouldn't tell everyone else. If he was just a poor small business owner from Louisiana, then he wins. But he has absolutely no self-control over praising himself.
btw, I like Russell and am very glad he's coming back next season. If he does it again, it would be the greatest feat in the history of reality television.
THAT IS PART OF THE GAME! Russell can't expect it to just get handed to him. He screwed himself. Everyone knows he played the best during the season, but the finale is included in the season, and he screwed the pooch by pissing off Natalie at camp and letting his ego run wild.
NO ONE SHOULD HAVE EVEN KNOWN THAT HE WAS RICH!!! It was his EGO that cost him the season. If he didn't tell Mick that he made 1.7m last year, then Mick wouldn't tell Jaison and Jaison wouldn't tell everyone else. If he was just a poor small business owner from Louisiana, then he wins. But he has absolutely no self-control over praising himself.
btw, I like Russell and am very glad he's coming back next season. If he does it again, it would be the greatest feat in the history of reality television.
Exactly.
Everyone saying that "Russell won" in their minds is ignoring the same thing that Russell ignored - there are multiple facets to this game and you can "win" all but one of them and still lose the stinking game. He completely ignored how his ego was affecting his standing with the Jury - he just didn't seem to care that he had to win the Jury. You could see his ego lose him votes in the episode where he wore his immunity idol and declined to play it - arrogantly stating that he'd rather keep it as a souvenir. Maybe he can pawn it for a million dollars (or $900k) since that is what it cost him.
People will talk about past seasons where the Jury respected the dominating play and strategy of someone who beat them. But if you act like a prick and don't show people respect, then they won't respect you. How many times have we heard Jeff say: "Now the power shifts to the Jury" Russell thought he didn't need the Jury. He was wrong. He stated a million times that he was controlling people during the game, but forgot he couldn't control them when they were on the Jury. He underestimated the Social impact of disrespecting his opponents. That ultimately cost him the game he'd dominated for so long. GG Russell.
QUOTE (brvheart @ Saturday, December 19th, 2009, 2:44 AM)
genius
o rly?
15.canuckickstan picks Natalie
10.untitled picks Russel H
3.Gallo picks Mick
Congrats to the winners! Wow... crazy finish. I was on edge during that carnaval challenge holding up the sticks. That was intense.
Russell didn't need another jury to win the game, he needed a better attitude after making the finals.
I don't think there has ever been someone in the finals with that big of an ego. It simply cost him the game. I never heard Russell say once "I'm sorry" to anyone on the jury. Not that he has to be apologetic but just a simple bit of sympathy could've won him the game.
Instead, he felt like superman. He thought he was unbeatable and no one deserved to be there next to him. He embarrassed himself being so cocky to Natalie, to warm up for the questions at camp. It backfired and he got what he deserved.
With that said, he's still one of the best players to have ever played the game. It was a different take on getting to the end that we really haven't seen before and that's what made him so exciting to watch.
We've seen this type of finish before where the best player can't finish. Amanda from China & Micronesia made the finals back to back seasons and failed to win as well.
GG Everyone! It's been an awesome season, can't wait to do it all again in February for Heroes vs Villains.
10.untitled picks Russel H
3.Gallo picks Mick
Congrats to the winners! Wow... crazy finish. I was on edge during that carnaval challenge holding up the sticks. That was intense.
Russell didn't need another jury to win the game, he needed a better attitude after making the finals.
I don't think there has ever been someone in the finals with that big of an ego. It simply cost him the game. I never heard Russell say once "I'm sorry" to anyone on the jury. Not that he has to be apologetic but just a simple bit of sympathy could've won him the game.
Instead, he felt like superman. He thought he was unbeatable and no one deserved to be there next to him. He embarrassed himself being so cocky to Natalie, to warm up for the questions at camp. It backfired and he got what he deserved.
With that said, he's still one of the best players to have ever played the game. It was a different take on getting to the end that we really haven't seen before and that's what made him so exciting to watch.
We've seen this type of finish before where the best player can't finish. Amanda from China & Micronesia made the finals back to back seasons and failed to win as well.
GG Everyone! It's been an awesome season, can't wait to do it all again in February for Heroes vs Villains.
QUOTE (Gallo @ Sunday, December 20th, 2009, 10:38 PM)
I agree with all the spoilers above, even Troyo's to an extent.
I even agree with much of what Brvfart said about the finale.
I do think Russell should have been more humble and accountable at the final tribal, but it's like getting your AA cracked and then slowrolled the way those fcktards voted. Bunch of whiny bitches.
Jaison and Erik, you are the two biggest bitches ever. Never have I seen such an ego and sense of entitlement on someone as I did on Jaison. Fck you, dude.
Am I the only one that felt like Russell already knew the outcome before the results were read? He looked pissed and upset the entire time, including before the votes were already read and it seems he had this 'offer for the title' thing already worked up in his head.
Interesting turn of events with the impromptu jury vote if he had brought Shambo instead of Natalie.
No doubt Erik's speech turned some votes and he made some very very valid points and a great argument. You have to play the game the way that best suits your strengths and I think Natalie did that.
I was a bit disappointed Russell didn't win as I think he played one of the most amazing games ever and deserved it, but I can see how and why jury voted the way they did.
Does everyone still believe that Russell is an oil business owner and made 1.7 million last year? I mean there is nothing positive that could come out of him lying about that and was probably one of the factors that ended up leading to the jury voting the way they did. I just have trouble believing anything that the man says.
Jaison is a punk ass whiny bitch imo.
I haven't watched any of the Ponderosa eps yet so still have that to look forward to.
DEFINITELY CAN'T WAIT FOR HEROES VS VILLAINS! Just 52 days away. I'm assuming this hasn't been filmed yet and they will have to start filming immediately if it is going to be a standard 39 day season? Doesn't leave a whole lot of time for post production.
Oh man, the thought of Coach the Dragon Slayer and Russell on the same team makes me tingle with excitement and anticipation.
One last afterthought ... I realize they go through a pretty intensive screening and health checkup process before allowing players to play this game, but I believe it is a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt or dies in one of these seasons. Listening to black Russell talk about his near death heavenly experience gave me chills
Interesting turn of events with the impromptu jury vote if he had brought Shambo instead of Natalie.
No doubt Erik's speech turned some votes and he made some very very valid points and a great argument. You have to play the game the way that best suits your strengths and I think Natalie did that.
I was a bit disappointed Russell didn't win as I think he played one of the most amazing games ever and deserved it, but I can see how and why jury voted the way they did.
Does everyone still believe that Russell is an oil business owner and made 1.7 million last year? I mean there is nothing positive that could come out of him lying about that and was probably one of the factors that ended up leading to the jury voting the way they did. I just have trouble believing anything that the man says.
Jaison is a punk ass whiny bitch imo.
I haven't watched any of the Ponderosa eps yet so still have that to look forward to.
DEFINITELY CAN'T WAIT FOR HEROES VS VILLAINS! Just 52 days away. I'm assuming this hasn't been filmed yet and they will have to start filming immediately if it is going to be a standard 39 day season? Doesn't leave a whole lot of time for post production.
Oh man, the thought of Coach the Dragon Slayer and Russell on the same team makes me tingle with excitement and anticipation.
One last afterthought ... I realize they go through a pretty intensive screening and health checkup process before allowing players to play this game, but I believe it is a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt or dies in one of these seasons. Listening to black Russell talk about his near death heavenly experience gave me chills
QUOTE (king_tanner @ Monday, December 21st, 2009, 1:24 AM)
king_tanner (Soquel)
I'm not that disappointed that Natalie won, but Russell truly deserved it. What it came down to was a shitty group of people on the jury.
Love how Russell threw Jaison's socks in the fire again.
I'm not that disappointed that Natalie won, but Russell truly deserved it. What it came down to was a shitty group of people on the jury.
Love how Russell threw Jaison's socks in the fire again.
what site?
QUOTE (dna4ever @ Monday, December 21st, 2009, 11:07 AM)
...DEFINITELY CAN'T WAIT FOR HEROES VS VILLAINS! Just 52 days away. I'm assuming this hasn't been filmed yet and they will have to start filming immediately if it is going to be a standard 39 day season? Doesn't leave a whole lot of time for post production...
I've read that they filmed Season 20 immediately after this season. They invited Hatch to participate, but he couldn't get a judge to allow his travel since he is still under house arrest for his tax evasion.
QUOTE (Pot Odds RAC @ Monday, December 21st, 2009, 8:25 AM)
You could see his ego lose him votes in the episode where he wore his immunity idol and declined to play it - arrogantly stating that he'd rather keep it as a souvenir. Maybe he can pawn it for a million dollars (or $900k) since that is what it cost him.
Looks like it it is already @ $3,200 in the Survivor Charity Auction
http://cgi.ebay.com/Survivor-Samoa-Hidden-...=item2ea9e6469c
QUOTE (Pot Odds RAC @ Monday, December 21st, 2009, 10:27 AM)
I've read that they filmed Season 20 immediately after this season. They invited Hatch to participate, but he couldn't get a judge to allow his travel since he is still under house arrest for his tax evasion.
Yeah, I heard the same thing. This is good for Russell as no one knows how he plays.
QUOTE (Pot Odds RAC @ Monday, December 21st, 2009, 10:50 AM)
Looks like it it is already @ $3,200 in the Survivor Charity Auction
http://cgi.ebay.com/Survivor-Samoa-Hidden-...=item2ea9e6469c
http://cgi.ebay.com/Survivor-Samoa-Hidden-...=item2ea9e6469c
Interesting how they have everyone's torches up for auction and everyone's are all around the $200 mark except for Russell's who is already at $1300+.
Same thing with the combination lock puzzle game, Russell's is over double anyone elses.
QUOTE (Gallo @ Monday, December 21st, 2009, 10:51 AM)
Yeah, I heard the same thing. This is good for Russell as no one knows how he plays.
^^^^^^^^
Was thinking the same thing. No one will know how much of a scuzz ball he really was which will benefit him greatly although simply being on the Villains team alone should lend some weight. Huge advantage for Russell as he has already seen how everyone else has played.
QUOTE (Governator @ Monday, December 21st, 2009, 8:02 AM)
15.canuckickstan picks Natalie
10.untitled picks Russel H
3.Gallo picks Mick
10.untitled picks Russel H
3.Gallo picks Mick
Can you ship on FTP? If not, can someone do a transfer?
QUOTE (Gallo @ Monday, December 21st, 2009, 9:51 AM)
Yeah, I heard the same thing. This is good for Russell as no one knows how he plays.
Does this mean it was filmed before final tribal last night ?
QUOTE (Canuckickstan @ Monday, December 21st, 2009, 11:04 AM)
Does this mean it was filmed before final tribal last night ?
Yes, already completed filming
Nice backstage recap at EOnline. The last part makes it sound like they haven't shot Heroes vs Villains yet.
Survivor Shocker
Both Mick Trimming and Jaison Robinson told us they first learned the true extent of their tribemate's deviousness by watching the show on TV. "Honestly, I had nothing against Russell, I wasn't mad at him until I saw the episodes where he was sabotaging us," Jaison revealed before complaining: "I think it's one thing to be in control of this game and form alliances, but it's another thing to pour out water and do the things he did. People were passing out all over the place—you didn't see it, but people were unconscious because they weren't getting enough hydration." Mick expressed a slightly different viewpoint about Russell's secret canteen emptying: "Sad thing is, it didn't shock me at all. I was just waiting for him to pee in it next: OK, he poured it out, what's he going to fill it up with?"
The new season of Survivor, pitting former deceitful Castaways against those who most prized integrity, premieres Feb. 11. Will Russell be part of Heroes vs. Villains? "I don't even know if I want to play the game again," he told us morosely—before this parting shot: "RussellGotScrewed.com!"
Survivor Shocker
Both Mick Trimming and Jaison Robinson told us they first learned the true extent of their tribemate's deviousness by watching the show on TV. "Honestly, I had nothing against Russell, I wasn't mad at him until I saw the episodes where he was sabotaging us," Jaison revealed before complaining: "I think it's one thing to be in control of this game and form alliances, but it's another thing to pour out water and do the things he did. People were passing out all over the place—you didn't see it, but people were unconscious because they weren't getting enough hydration." Mick expressed a slightly different viewpoint about Russell's secret canteen emptying: "Sad thing is, it didn't shock me at all. I was just waiting for him to pee in it next: OK, he poured it out, what's he going to fill it up with?"
The new season of Survivor, pitting former deceitful Castaways against those who most prized integrity, premieres Feb. 11. Will Russell be part of Heroes vs. Villains? "I don't even know if I want to play the game again," he told us morosely—before this parting shot: "RussellGotScrewed.com!"
QUOTE (gobears @ Monday, December 21st, 2009, 12:10 PM)
Nice backstage recap at EOnline. The last part makes it sound like they haven't shot Heroes vs Villains yet.
He is probably not allowed to confirm anything.
Not that Wiki is the best source:
QUOTE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivor:_Heroes_vs._Villains
Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains will be the upcoming twentieth season of the American TV series Survivor. Unlike previous seasons where a break in production occurred between seasons, the twentieth season was shot shortly after Survivor: Samoa was completed.[2] Casting for Heroes vs. Villains was done simultaneously with Survivor: Samoa.[3] It will feature ten members known for their integrity, the Heroes, and ten former Survivors known for their deception, the Villains.[4] Rather than the usual "Outwit, Outplay, Outlast", the logo for this season features the phrase "Return, Revenge, Redemption".
Richard Hatch, the winner of the original Survivor, was asked to return for this season, leading to speculation that it would be another All-Stars season. However, he had to apply to leave the country since he is under house arrest. His request was denied by a federal judge in Rhode Island.[1]
Shannon "Shambo" Waters, of Survivor: Samoa was asked to participate in this season, but she declined, she said in an interview after her elimination on Survivor: Samoa.
Following the 2009 Samoa earthquake & tsunami, a CBS spokeswoman stated that no crew members were harmed and filming was not occurring at the time
Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains will be the upcoming twentieth season of the American TV series Survivor. Unlike previous seasons where a break in production occurred between seasons, the twentieth season was shot shortly after Survivor: Samoa was completed.[2] Casting for Heroes vs. Villains was done simultaneously with Survivor: Samoa.[3] It will feature ten members known for their integrity, the Heroes, and ten former Survivors known for their deception, the Villains.[4] Rather than the usual "Outwit, Outplay, Outlast", the logo for this season features the phrase "Return, Revenge, Redemption".
Richard Hatch, the winner of the original Survivor, was asked to return for this season, leading to speculation that it would be another All-Stars season. However, he had to apply to leave the country since he is under house arrest. His request was denied by a federal judge in Rhode Island.[1]
Shannon "Shambo" Waters, of Survivor: Samoa was asked to participate in this season, but she declined, she said in an interview after her elimination on Survivor: Samoa.
Following the 2009 Samoa earthquake & tsunami, a CBS spokeswoman stated that no crew members were harmed and filming was not occurring at the time
I'd also heard from other sources that H&V was filmed in Samoa immediately following Season 19. I remember that there was speculation at the time about the Earthquake and Tsunami but reports indicated that Season 20 was unaffected.
Anyone know what the final votes were? Who voted for who?
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