RISEorFall
Tuesday, September 29th, 2009, 10:17 AM
QUOTE (rrumsey @ Wednesday, August 26th, 2009, 5:35 PM)

why don't you flat you have an M of what almost 17 you standard raise or maybe leverage an overbet but i just don't see anything but 2 coinflips and maybe one 4:1 favorite in his range (AK,AQ,10's) everything else we mostly lose our stack as 4:1 dogs or pick up the blinds when folded. I just don't see enough pocket pairs we beat calling off half their stack here, may that is just me, but at best we see 10's and 9's here sometimes that is it others we race or get crushed. Unless it seems like he is going to defend BB a lot, or you have been stealing his BB a lot, a standard raise wins the blinds just as much and gives us ways of not going broke here. I get the reasoning that if we push in on a possible coin flip and win we are more or less the chip leader but JJ 25 BB deep seems like too deep to open shove for me. The only thing that may back me like this move is if you feel you can't hold your own post flop against villain then shoving may be a decent option but i think we can take a flop and play accordingly from then on. I hate this push if most of the table is short because we just don't need to take risks against the big stack too much.
what? what are we going to flat?
you mean raise smaller and then when he reraises just flat?
so you want to put in half our stack and then do what exactly?
i would definately go with a smaller raise, but if he comes over the top im not folding (or flatting) JJ. especially if we've seen him shove with hands like J8. it might be helpful to know the payout structure. with 10 tables i would guess FT pays, and with 2 tables left were really not in stack preservation mode. if we were 1 from the money we could *think* about folding, tho there its even more likely he's trying to just bully us and we should call.