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Stephon Marbury, who only last week still insisted that he's the best point guard in the NBA
lol

Who are the NBA's most overrated players?
by Charley Rosen

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/9852462...errated-players


Here are the most grossly over-valued, not-so superstars.

Chris Andersen
Yes, he can run, jump and dash to the ball from the weak side to dramatically block shots. And his masquerading as a tall, tattooed fowl is amusing if juvenile. But he can't shoot a lick and, most importantly, is incapable of adequately defending virtually any opponent on a man-to-man basis. What Andersen does is surely crowd-pleasing and can occasionally impact the outcome of a game, but it's mostly phony defense.



Gilbert Arenas
He's on this particular list because of his numerous forced shots, his inability to run an offense and his miserable lack of both on- and off-the-ball defense. Also, don't forget the many times he's choked in the deciding moments of playoff games. Arenas' game is less than meets the eye.


Carlos Boozer
He can score from the low post, hit mid-range jumpers and is — at best — a two-space rebounder. On the downside, Boozer either can't or won't play defense, is an erratic passer and handler, can't run, can't move laterally and just doesn't play as vigorously without the ball as he does when the rock is in his hands. Smart teams have an easy time neutralizing Boozer's effectiveness.


Chris Bosh
What does this guy do? Shoot jumpers. Grab mostly finesse rebounds. Shoot more jumpers. Register more turnovers than assists. Keep on shooting jumpers. Play inferior defense except in the sub-par competition of international play. He does enough to fill up a stat sheet, but not enough to be a bona-fide franchise player.



Marcus Camby
Like Andersen, he can block shots coming from the weak side but can be attacked with profit in straight-up defensive situations. He's also shot-happy, rarely grabs his rebounds in heavy and hostile traffic and is a terrible passer. And the fact that during his 13-year career the combined record of the teams he's played for is a dismal 459-573 suggests that Camby is a loser.


Kevin Garnett
His performance in the 2008 NBA Finals against the Lakers was a good indication of where he's really at.


In Boston's six-point loss in Game 3, Garnett shot 6-for-21.

In Boston's five-point loss in Game 5, Garnett scored only 13 points and missed several shots in the fourth quarter.

In Boston's championship-clinching, 39-point win in Game 6, Garnett registered his series high of 26 points.
In other words, it is well-known among the league's coaches that Garnett is a frontrunner who will inevitably choke when a critical game is up for grabs.


There's less to Al Harrington's game than his scoring average. (Garrett Ellwood / Getty Images)


Al Harrington
For the initial 36 minutes or thereabouts, Harrington is one of the most dynamic scorers in the NBA. Forget that he doesn't pass, execute or play a semblance of defense. The young man can set a scoreboard on fire. Come the clutch, however, and Harrington takes (and misses) bad shots, even misses good shots, chases the ball at both ends of the court and makes foolish mistakes. For example, how many extra fourth-quarter points did he allow the Knicks' opponents to score in tight games by foolishly hanging on the rim? Too many. As much as he wants to start, Harrington is best suited to be a designated scorer off the bench who should stay glued to the bench in the endgame.


Stephen Jackson
He's a streaky, low-percentage shooter with absolutely no conscience. His defense is strictly imaginary. His ball-handling skills are far below average for a backcourt player. He thinks he's a leader, but nobody wants to follow him.


Brad Miller
This guy could easily be the least athletic big man in the NBA. In fact, several of the league's most prominent centers have privately expressed their embarrassment whenever Miller scores double digits against them. And despite his bulky frame, he's about as tough as the Pillsbury Dough Boy. Yes, Miller can hit open shots and make nifty passes. But he survives mainly because defenders tend to ignore him.


Chris Paul
There's no doubt that CP3 has always been a truly great passer and has also worked diligently to become a dangerous 3-point shooter. But there are several reasons why he belongs in this dubious category.


In half-court offenses, he's a threat to do damage only in screen-and-roll situations, which means that doubling him virtually renders him impotent.

Because of his diminutive size — listed at 6-feet but closer to 5-foot-10 — he can be easily doubled.

His defense consists of steals. Period. Which in turn depends mostly on opponents' mistakes.

Many opponents simply take the ball to their favorite spot and then shoot over him.

Even when using a screen-and-roll, he's not nearly as effective going left as he is going right.
When was the last time that a pipsqueak-sized point guard led his team to an NBA championship? Slater Martin with the St. Louis Hawks in 1958 — which means that while Paul's Hornets will be a good team, they'll never be good enough.


Dishonorable mention
The following multi-talented players have led their respective teams nowhere for so many years that their being overrated is no longer news. Stephon Marbury, who only last week still insisted that he's the best point guard in the NBA. Dirk Nowitzki. Baron Davis. Peja Stojakovic. Amare Stoudemire. Vince Carter. Larry Hughes. Corey Maggette. Shawn Marion. Kenyon Martin. Tracy McGrady. Jermaine O'Neal. Wally Szczerbiak. And last and least, Allen Iverson.


BigDMcGee
This guy is full of shit.
keith crime
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Friday, July 31st, 2009, 2:54 AM) *
This guy is full of shit.



i thought the garnett stuff was a little silly

plus he points out a lot of guys are one dimensional like birdman without acknowledging that those guys are still valuable

dennis rodman was one dimensional - he still ruled
FCP Bob
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Friday, July 31st, 2009, 3:54 AM) *
This guy is full of shit.


His Arenas analysis is spot on and there's a lot of truth in his Bosh stuff, especially about his crappy defense and fact that he's more and more turning into a black hole who doesn't pass enough.

Jadaki
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Friday, July 31st, 2009, 2:54 AM) *
This guy is full of shit.


Especially about KG, how was he ever a front runner in MN?
CaneBrain
He makes some good points about Bosh and Boozer and then he starts bashing Chris ****ing Paul and loses all credibility.
El Guapo
QUOTE (CaneBrain @ Friday, July 31st, 2009, 10:29 AM) *
He makes some good points about Bosh and Boozer and then he starts bashing Chris ****ing Paul and loses all credibility.



Ya, if that had been first I would not have read any further.

He is the best PG in the league currently, how is he overrated? As compared to what?
CaneBrain
QUOTE (El Guapo @ Friday, July 31st, 2009, 11:02 AM) *
Ya, if that had been first I would not have read any further.

He is the best PG in the league currently, how is he overrated? As compared to what?



saying he is only dangerous in screen and roll situations is like saying shaq is only dangerous in the post. O RLY? and your point is? did they outlaw using the screen and roll every time down? because the Jazz won 60 games a year that way for a decade.
JoeyJoJo
Charley Rosen is terrible. This was his scouting report on Lebron:

"In high school, LeBron James might be a man among boys -- but in the NBA, he'll be a boy among men."
Mercury69
Vince Carter


Also, I'd rather have a of guy who scores 15 a game but also has 10 assists than a guy who scores 30 a game and can't distribute.

And while I can understand that Bosh doesn't get as involved under the net as he should, he still should be muscling most guys. Either that or stick him out near the ft line to guard against point guards trying to swing inside.
keith crime
Vince Carter has been so universally picked on for so long that he's probably underrated
BigDMcGee
My main issue is this part...
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The following multi-talented players have led their respective teams nowhere for so many years that their being overrated is no longer news. Stephon Marbury, who only last week still insisted that he's the best point guard in the NBA. Dirk Nowitzki. Baron Davis. Peja Stojakovic. Amare Stoudemire. Vince Carter. Larry Hughes. Corey Maggette. Shawn Marion. Kenyon Martin. Tracy McGrady. Jermaine O'Neal. Wally Szczerbiak. And last and least, Allen Iverson.



I'm looking at that list, and I'm trying to find one person who's "overrated". Almost everyone on this list is rated exactly where they should be ( or is not rated highly at all). Who does this clown this is good. Articles like this tilt the shit out of me . Dirk Nowitzki overrated, jesus christ it makes me want to slug him.

And then someone like Gilbert Arenas. THis guy hasn't played in almost two years, who the hell even rates him at this point. I feel like this was an article that was an acticle that is 3 years old that was put on ice, and then he dug it up, slapped chris paul into it, and shat it out.
I_fold08
so who isnt overrated then?
keith crime
QUOTE (I_fold08 @ Sunday, August 2nd, 2009, 7:54 AM) *
so who isnt overrated then?


Kwame Brown
SuitedAces21
lebron james.

- Jadaki
Poppy_Hillis
QUOTE (keith crime @ Friday, July 31st, 2009, 12:07 AM) *
dennis rodman was one dimensional - he still ruled

He was a great rebounder, great defender, and great passer. That's 3 dimensions right there.
fleung22
QUOTE (JoeyJoJo @ Saturday, August 1st, 2009, 2:19 AM) *
Charley Rosen is terrible. This was his scouting report on Lebron:

"In high school, LeBron James might be a man among boys -- but in the NBA, he'll be a boy among men."


oh my god, JoeyJoJo's back!?
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