cujo33
Tuesday, July 28th, 2009, 12:34 PM
I have my FF draft tonight. This really will be my first draft. Just wanted to know what a good strategy would be. Should I take a RB in the first two rounds? If alot of WR's are going in the second round should I pick up one, or just go with my 2nd RB? What round should I be looking at taking my QB? Thanks for any feedback.
outsider13
Tuesday, July 28th, 2009, 12:55 PM
I've always drafted 2 RB first. There's just not enough quality running backs in the league. With that being said, if you can get a guy like Larry Fitzgerald after already securing a top RB, that's not so bad.
Yoda
Tuesday, July 28th, 2009, 1:32 PM
Depends. What are the lineup requirements, how many teams, and what spot do you pick out of?
RB/RB is no longer the best way to draft in a lot of scenarios, but you are drafting with people who don't pay too much attention you will probably still see almost all RB's going in both of the first 2 rounds.
Yoda
Tuesday, July 28th, 2009, 1:34 PM
QUOTE (outsider13 @ Tuesday, July 28th, 2009, 4:55 PM)

I've always drafted 2 RB first. There's just not enough quality running backs in the league. With that being said, if you can get a guy like Larry Fitzgerald after already securing a top RB, that's not so bad.
This will never happen unless you are drafting with
the biggest of noobs. Fitz is a 1st round pick and AJ/Moss often are too. I've seen Megatron go in the first as well.
cujo33
Tuesday, July 28th, 2009, 2:01 PM
Its a standard 10 team league, H2H scoring. And I won't know what my draft position is until I get into the draft.
Starters are 1QB 2RB 1RB/WR 2WR 1TE 1D/ST 1K and 7 Bench.
Yoda
Tuesday, July 28th, 2009, 2:11 PM
QUOTE (cujo33 @ Tuesday, July 28th, 2009, 6:01 PM)

Its a standard 10 team league, H2H scoring. And I won't know what my draft position is until I get into the draft.
Starters are 1QB 2RB 1RB/WR 2WR 1TE 1D/ST 1K and 7 Bench.
Ok so since u have a RB/WR flex u can start 3 RB so no need to go crazy with WR. If you pick in the top 5-6 spots you should probably go RB. If you pick in the 7-10 slots I'd personally go RB/WR or WR/RB depending on how the other picks go. There is a lot RB value in the 2nd-5th rounds this year with people like Ryan Grant, Pierre Thomas, Moreno, Wells etc dropping several rounds. So I think if you want to go stud WR's early, stud QB/TE early and wait a bit on RB, this is the year to do it. But you should know what you are doing...it's safer to go RB/WR/RB/WR/QB/TE
cujo33
Tuesday, July 28th, 2009, 3:41 PM
Cool Cool, thanks for the advice.
Yoda
Tuesday, July 28th, 2009, 5:10 PM
I hope this forum starts picking up again with draft talk

Our two FCP dynasty league rookie drafts & offseason trades are all that keeps us addicts going!
cujo33
Tuesday, July 28th, 2009, 6:08 PM
Just got done with my draft for one of my FF leagues. New to drafting, so there were some picks that I wasn't happy with. Had the 2nd and 9th pick.
QB Tony Romo
RB Adrian Peterson
RB Clinton Portis
RB Pierre Thomas
WR Reggie Wayne
WR Wes Welker
TE Dustin Keller
D Bears
K Stephen Gostkowski
Jay Cutler
Desean jackson
Santonio Holmes
Ted Ginn Jr.
Chester Taylor
Fred Taylor
Jeremy Shockey
TRB05
Tuesday, July 28th, 2009, 6:09 PM
Probably too late for you, but the way I like to look at it is by predetermining "tiers" of each position. Most of the time there are 2 or 3 elite players at each position, and then there are about 7 or 8 guys that are close to the same value after that. When it is my turn I try to get the last guy of the highest tier left. So if there's 2 guys left in tier 2 for WR's, but 6 guys left in tier 3 of RB's then I will take the best WR with a RB in the same tier being likely to make it back to me. Kind of a simplistic look at it. Oh, and you must MUST keep track of the other team's picks so you know what they most likely will be taking in between your picks. This works especially well if you have like the 3rd or 4th pick and can really make a good guess on where those other teams will go.
TRB05
Tuesday, July 28th, 2009, 6:10 PM
QUOTE (cujo33 @ Tuesday, July 28th, 2009, 9:08 PM)

Just got done with my draft for one of my FF leagues. New to drafting, so there were some picks that I wasn't happy with. Had the 2nd and 9th pick.
QB Tony Romo
RB Adrian Peterson
RB Clinton Portis
RB Pierre Thomas
WR Reggie Wayne
WR Wes Welker
TE Dustin Keller
D Bears
K Stephen Gostkowski
Jay Cutler
Desean jackson
Santonio Holmes
Ted Ginn Jr.
Chester Taylor
Fred Taylor
Jeremy Shockey
Well, now I know my post was too late. Who went 1st overall? I figured AP would be a consensus.
outsider13
Tuesday, July 28th, 2009, 7:25 PM
QUOTE (TRB05 @ Tuesday, July 28th, 2009, 9:10 PM)

Well, now I know my post was too late. Who went 1st overall? I figured AP would be a consensus.
I would assume Turner then.
cujo33
Tuesday, July 28th, 2009, 7:55 PM
Yeah Turner went first. I took AP second.
Yoda
Wednesday, July 29th, 2009, 5:04 AM
Strong looking team...though in a league with only 10 teams pretty much all the teams look strong

But you should definitely be in the top half of the league in scoring. It looks like you took care of your studs early and waited on QB/TE but you still picked strong players with big upside at that position. It's a winning combination!
AP has been slipping several spots in some drafts (particularly PPR) in which MJD, Turner, Forte all going before him semi-frequently.
cujo33
Wednesday, July 29th, 2009, 3:51 PM
Thanks Yoda. I took my TE pretty late which I thought might have been a mistake.
Yoda
Thursday, July 30th, 2009, 5:44 AM
QUOTE (cujo33 @ Wednesday, July 29th, 2009, 7:51 PM)

Thanks Yoda. I took my TE pretty late which I thought might have been a mistake.
No I love the late round tight ends this year. You can get a lot of value/bargains by waiting. If Witten flies off the shelf too early and people start snatching up Gates, Gonzo, Clark....let em go. You are better off filling in your other positions and then later on take your pick out of Cooley, Winslow, Olsen, Keller, Zach Miller, Daniels...lot of upside in the middle tier TE's.
I just wouldn't want to be one of the last to take my TE1 and get stuck with Shockey, Scaife, Shiancoe, Scheffler etc...All S-names how ironic
CaneBrain
Thursday, July 30th, 2009, 8:07 AM
Just had my "big" draft. (Law school league, $200 bucks per person....most of them are fantasy idiots) 10 teams, H2H, 1QB, 3WR, 2RB, 1TE, 2 flex, 1 kicker, 1 Def.
It's a PPR league (point per reception) so receivers and running backs who catch passes have much added value (though not all the morons know that!). Also TD passes are worth 5 pts not 4. Everything else is standard. My team:
QB: Brees
RB(s): Westbrook, Bush
WR(s): Welker, TO, Hines Ward
TE: Witten
Flex : 2 of this group: Anthony Gonzalez, Donald Driver, Kevin Walter, Kevin Faulk, Le'ron McClain, Laverneaus Coles
K: Josh Brown
DEF: Baltimore
cujo33
Monday, August 3rd, 2009, 8:27 PM
This trade shocked me when i first saw it.
Send Stephen Gostkowski, and Mark Clayton
Recieve David Akers, and Knowshon Moreno
outsider13
Monday, August 3rd, 2009, 8:55 PM
QUOTE (cujo33 @ Monday, August 3rd, 2009, 11:27 PM)

This trade shocked me when i first saw it.
Send Stephen Gostkowski, and Mark Clayton
Recieve David Akers, and Knowshon Moreno
Trades like that would not be allowed in a lot of leagues.
Yoda
Tuesday, August 4th, 2009, 9:36 AM
QUOTE (cujo33 @ Tuesday, August 4th, 2009, 12:27 AM)

This trade shocked me when i first saw it.
Send Stephen Gostkowski, and Mark Clayton
Recieve David Akers, and Knowshon Moreno
That's especially ridiculous considering Mason is back

But a little ridiculous even if Clayton WAS the #1 receiver. For this year alone many are projecting Moreno to only do "so so" and all this holdout/missing camp stuff isn't helping his short term prospects. But I think Moreno will easily see 230-250 carries and rush for 1000.
Piddle Duck
Tuesday, August 4th, 2009, 11:37 AM
Did my first draft today. I did no prep before hand, just a trial run see who things pan out.
1. (8) Steven Jackson RB
2. (13) Chris Johnson RB
3. (28) Dwayne Bowe WR
4. (33) Vincent Jackson WR
5. (48) Jay Cutler QB
6. (53) Santana Moss WR
7. (68) Chris Cooley TE
8. (73) Le'Ron McClain RB
9. (88) Matt Cassel QB
10. (93) DeSean Jackson WR
11. (108) Reggie Bush RB
12. (113) Steve Breaston WR
13. (128) Mason Crosby K
14. (133) New England DEF
15. (148) Brandon Pettigrew TE
CaneBrain
Tuesday, August 4th, 2009, 11:46 AM
QUOTE (Piddle Duck @ Tuesday, August 4th, 2009, 12:37 PM)

Did my first draft today. I did no prep before hand, just a trial run see who things pan out.
1. (8) Steven Jackson RB
2. (13) Chris Johnson RB
3. (28) Dwayne Bowe WR
4. (33) Vincent Jackson WR
5. (48) Jay Cutler QB
6. (53) Santana Moss WR
7. (68) Chris Cooley TE
8. (73) Le'Ron McClain RB
9. (88) Matt Cassel QB
10. (93) DeSean Jackson WR
11. (108) Reggie Bush RB
12. (113) Steve Breaston WR
13. (128) Mason Crosby K
14. (133) New England DEF
15. (148) Brandon Pettigrew TE
That is about 8 picks later than Chris Johnson is usually going. He would be incredible value at 13 (and jackson is good value at 8). Everything else looks pretty standard. 33 for V. Jackson is pretty early. Bush would be an incredible value at 108.
I like DeSean Jackson and think he would be good value at 93.
Yoda
Tuesday, August 4th, 2009, 6:06 PM
QUOTE (CaneBrain @ Tuesday, August 4th, 2009, 3:46 PM)

DeSean Jackson and think he would be good is disgustingly good value at 93.
FYP
cujo33
Tuesday, August 4th, 2009, 11:03 PM
Big Trade question in one of my other FF leagues. Need some advice. Other guy proposed this trade.
I send Steven Jackson, Jason Witten, and Steelers D
I get Matt Ryan, Matt Forte, and Vikings D
My team
QB Jake Delhomme
RB Steven Jackson
RB Larry Johnson
WR Lee Evens
WR T.O.
WR Wes Welker
TE Jason Witten
D Steelers
Bench
Joe Flaaco
Cedric Benson
Ray Rice
Tony Scheffler
Jeremy Maclin
Mark Clayton
Knowshon Moreno
Do I take this trade or am I giving away too much if I accept?
TRB05
Wednesday, August 5th, 2009, 3:25 AM
QUOTE (cujo33 @ Wednesday, August 5th, 2009, 2:03 AM)

Big Trade question in one of my other FF leagues. Need some advice. Other guy proposed this trade.
I send Steven Jackson, Jason Witten, and Steelers D
I get Matt Ryan, Matt Forte, and Vikings D
Do I take this trade or am I giving away too much if I accept?
I think the trade is fair, but I don't see how you would be upgrading very much. Forte over Jackson maybe barely. Vikings and Steelers are equal. So, you would be benching Delhomme for Ryan, essentially adding nothing imo, and losing your TE with RB staying pretty much the same. I just don't see what that trade does for your team.
Yoda
Wednesday, August 5th, 2009, 7:38 AM
QUOTE (cujo33 @ Wednesday, August 5th, 2009, 3:03 AM)

Big Trade question in one of my other FF leagues. Need some advice. Other guy proposed this trade.
I send Steven Jackson, Jason Witten, and Steelers D
I get Matt Ryan, Matt Forte, and Vikings D
My team
QB Jake Delhomme
RB Steven Jackson
RB Larry Johnson
WR Lee Evens
WR T.O.
WR Wes Welker
TE Jason Witten
D Steelers
Bench
Joe Flaaco
Cedric Benson
Ray Rice
Tony Scheffler
Jeremy Maclin
Mark Clayton
Knowshon Moreno
Do I take this trade or am I giving away too much if I accept?
Giving away too much - you cant ship the best TE in the game for that upgrade at QB...not worth it. If it was Brees/Brady/Manning then we've got something to consider, but you would be losing way more points at TE than you are gaining at QB.
cujo33
Wednesday, August 5th, 2009, 10:41 AM
Cool Cool I was thinking I was giving away too much.
cujo33
Thursday, August 6th, 2009, 8:31 PM
By looking at my team anything I could package for that upgrade at QB?
Yoda
Friday, August 7th, 2009, 5:27 AM
QUOTE (cujo33 @ Friday, August 7th, 2009, 12:31 AM)

By looking at my team anything I could package for that upgrade at QB?
Show me the other team - does he have a stud and not need Ryan or would he be lacking at the position too? If Ryan is his main guy than we know why he is asking what he is
cujo33
Friday, August 7th, 2009, 10:26 AM
QUOTE (Yoda @ Friday, August 7th, 2009, 6:27 AM)

Show me the other team - does he have a stud and not need Ryan or would he be lacking at the position too? If Ryan is his main guy than we know why he is asking what he is

Yeah his back up QB is Carson Palmer. Also on other message boards people are kinda split on how Steven Jackson will do this season. People think he will have a big year, others think he is too injury prone and will suffer from injuries. Kinda making me wonder if I should maybe package a deal with steven jackson and someone else for Matt Forte and a QB.
Yoda
Friday, August 7th, 2009, 11:10 AM
QUOTE (cujo33 @ Friday, August 7th, 2009, 2:26 PM)

Yeah his back up QB is Carson Palmer. Also on other message boards people are kinda split on how Steven Jackson will do this season. People think he will have a big year, others think he is too injury prone and will suffer from injuries. Kinda making me wonder if I should maybe package a deal with steven jackson and someone else for Matt Forte and a QB.
A player like Sjax (or westbrook, colston, bush etc) are best to own when you have some depth behind them. If you have depth, you can plug them in for sick PPG but when the injury bug strikes, throw in a solid backup. In your case I think you have sufficient depth with Moreno and yes even Benson if things get scary. So I wouldn't necessarily try and move Sjax for something safer. But if it gets you a good upgrade at QB without downgrading much at RB it's certainly worth considering.
CaneBrain
Friday, August 7th, 2009, 8:30 PM
Ok, just had my draft with college friends on ESPN. 150 bucks per person. QB, 2RBs, 2WRs, 1Flex, 1TE, 1DEF, 1K. Standard scoring.
In draft order:
(4)Forte
(17)Slaton
(24)Wayne
(37)Colston
(44)Welker
(57)Romo
(64)Steelers D
(77)Jamal Lewis
(84)Greg Olsen
(97)Cotchery
(104)Donald Brown
(117)Matt Hasselback
(124)Julius Jones
(137)Tim Hightower
(144)Mason Crosby
(157)Josh Morgan
I was really happy with my first 5 picks.
Yoda
Saturday, August 8th, 2009, 5:16 AM
QUOTE (CaneBrain @ Saturday, August 8th, 2009, 12:30 AM)

Ok, just had my draft with college friends on ESPN. 150 bucks per person. QB, 2RBs, 2WRs, 1Flex, 1TE, 1DEF, 1K. Standard scoring.
In draft order:
(4)Forte
(17)Slaton
(24)Wayne
(37)Colston
(44)Welker
(57)Romo
(64)Steelers D
(77)Jamal Lewis
(84)Greg Olsen
(97)Cotchery
(104)Donald Brown
(117)Matt Hasselback
(124)Julius Jones
(137)Tim Hightower
(144)Mason Crosby
(157)Josh Morgan
I was really happy with my first 5 picks.
Geez, seriously. Wish I had a group like that to play bigger stakes with and watch every good player fall further than he should. Except maybe Jamal Lewis that is questionable

But I am guessing they were the types that just went RB/RB/RB all day long and left you all those other points on the board? It's a stacked team. Oh wait, is this 10 teams? I take everything back...every team is stacked in 10 team leagues haha
CaneBrain
Saturday, August 8th, 2009, 7:21 AM
QUOTE (Yoda @ Saturday, August 8th, 2009, 5:16 AM)

Geez, seriously. Wish I had a group like that to play bigger stakes with and watch every good player fall further than he should. Except maybe Jamal Lewis that is questionable

But I am guessing they were the types that just went RB/RB/RB all day long and left you all those other points on the board? It's a stacked team. Oh wait, is this 10 teams? I take everything back...every team is stacked in 10 team leagues haha
Yeah, it's a 10 team league but I STILL feel like I got the upper hand in the first five rounds. There were some very strange picks (Peyton Manning went 6th overall!).
I was just happy to eliminate worries about the big five (2RB, 2WR and flex) right off the bat. Plus, all my WRs play for pass happy teams.
I went down to zero on my time clock for the Jamal Lewis pick debating between him and Sproles. I ended up flipping a coin.
Yoda
Saturday, August 8th, 2009, 8:17 AM
QUOTE (CaneBrain @ Saturday, August 8th, 2009, 11:21 AM)

Yeah, it's a 10 team league but I STILL feel like I got the upper hand in the first five rounds. There were some very strange picks (Peyton Manning went 6th overall!).
I was just happy to eliminate worries about the big five (2RB, 2WR and flex) right off the bat. Plus, all my WRs play for pass happy teams.
I went down to zero on my time clock for the Jamal Lewis pick debating between him and Sproles. I ended up flipping a coin.
Probably made the right choice, Lewis will be steady production. Sproles isnt the type of guy you want to rely on starting. Even if LT goes down Sproles isnt going to be an every down back. He'd split with Gartrell Johnson.
CaneBrain
Saturday, August 8th, 2009, 8:32 AM
QUOTE (Yoda @ Saturday, August 8th, 2009, 8:17 AM)

Probably made the right choice, Lewis will be steady production. Sproles isnt the type of guy you want to rely on starting. Even if LT goes down Sproles isnt going to be an every down back. He'd split with Gartrell Johnson.
that was my thought process....although if I knew I could get Julius and Hightower later I might have just gone WR in that spot or something.
runthemover
Saturday, August 8th, 2009, 9:43 AM
I did a mock draft on ESPN today for giggles
1. (10) Chris Johnson
2. (15) Drew Brees
3. (34) Pierre Thomas
4. (39) T.J. Houshmandzadeh
5. (58) DeSean Jackson
6. (63) Lee Evans
7. (82) Earnest Graham
8. (87) Greg Olsen
9. (106) Donnie Avery
10. (111) Matt Hasselbeck
11. (130) Jerious Norwood
12. (135) Mushsin Muhammed
13. (154) Corell Buckhalter
14. (159) Redskins D
15. (178) Vernon Davis
16. (183) Kicker
I wouldn't say it's a great team (12 teamer) but if it were a real league I'd think I'd definitely contend. I think a couple of my lower picks have some upside. If Turner gets hurt. If Buckhalter holds onto the goal line job. Redskins D might be quite good value with Haynesworth as much as D can be good value.
I didn't like having to get two players on the same team in my top 3 picks but Ryan Grant went two picks ahead of me at 32.
I ended up having to go somewhat with WR by committee but I think I did an OK job there.
Hypothetical situation: you're a 14 team league. one guy hates drafting in the middle of the first round and has a history of first round busts/injuries so if his pick is not in the top 4 or in the bottom 4, he'll trade his first round pick. That's about 43% of the time.
1, 4, 8 for 2, 3, 6
What do you think of this deal?
Obviously exact positions affect this but that's unknown. You also have to keep in mind that while it is a snake draft, the snake order switches every 2 rounds. This means if you draft 1st and 28th you do not necessarily have the 29th pick.
CaneBrain
Saturday, August 8th, 2009, 11:14 AM
QUOTE (runthemover @ Saturday, August 8th, 2009, 10:43 AM)

I did a mock draft on ESPN today for giggles
1. (10) Chris Johnson
2. (15) Drew Brees
3. (34) Pierre Thomas
4. (39) T.J. Houshmandzadeh
5. (58) DeSean Jackson
6. (63) Lee Evans
7. (82) Earnest Graham
8. (87) Greg Olsen
9. (106) Donnie Avery
10. (111) Matt Hasselbeck
11. (130) Jerious Norwood
12. (135) Mushsin Muhammed
13. (154) Corell Buckhalter
14. (159) Redskins D
15. (178) Vernon Davis
16. (183) Kicker
That is about as low as I have seen Brees go. People loooooooove him this year.
I have been staying away from the Tampa RB situation just because I have zero clue what will happen btw Ward and Graham and whoever else they have down there. Too much uncertainty for me. I like Olsen a ton this year.....getting him at 87 would be great value imo. Hasselback is a good backup.....picking up Housh and having some health could lead to a big bounceback year for him. I like Jackson at 58....I dont love Thomas at 34.
Not bad. It is good to do a couple drafts just for fun to get a feel for where players are going.
Sportsmack
Saturday, August 8th, 2009, 11:27 AM
QUOTE (runthemover @ Saturday, August 8th, 2009, 10:43 AM)

I did a mock draft on ESPN today for giggles
1. (10) Chris Johnson
2. (15) Drew Brees
3. (34) Pierre Thomas
4. (39) T.J. Houshmandzadeh
5. (58) DeSean Jackson
6. (63) Lee Evans
7. (82) Earnest Graham
8. (87) Greg Olsen
9. (106) Donnie Avery
10. (111) Matt Hasselbeck
11. (130) Jerious Norwood
12. (135) Mushsin Muhammed
13. (154) Corell Buckhalter
14. (159) Redskins D
15. (178) Vernon Davis
16. (183) Kicker
DeSean Jackson
CaneBrain
Saturday, August 8th, 2009, 11:33 AM
QUOTE (Sportsmack @ Saturday, August 8th, 2009, 12:27 PM)

thats a shame....and it is also why my big money draft (with my brother in law and some of his friends) does not take place until 3 days before the start of the regular season.
runthemover
Saturday, August 8th, 2009, 12:01 PM
I did another mock draft and ended up with Thomas in the 3rd round again. though this was closer to the 40th pick. I'm not a huge fan of him but the 3rd round doesn't have many guys I like. Marshall, Welker, Bowe, McFadden, Lynch, Thomas Jones. all very yucky to me.
at least DeSean got hurt now instead of right around draft time
CaneBrain
Saturday, August 8th, 2009, 12:07 PM
QUOTE (runthemover @ Saturday, August 8th, 2009, 1:01 PM)

I did another mock draft and ended up with Thomas in the 3rd round again. though this was closer to the 40th pick. I'm not a huge fan of him but the 3rd round doesn't have many guys I like. Marshall, Welker, Bowe, McFadden, Lynch, Thomas Jones. all very yucky to me.
at least DeSean got hurt now instead of right around draft time
I like Bowe. I think he will perform at a 3rd round level or better. I have no idea what will happen with Marshall this year. Welker should do well this year.
cujo33
Wednesday, August 12th, 2009, 10:52 PM
What do you guys think of the NYJ's RB Jones? How you think he will do this year, last year he averaged a little over 14pts per game in fantasy.
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