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LJB723
Hola! Haven't posted for an age in the strat section but thought I'd get the opinion of some keen and eager minds.

Villain is a bit spewy, floats a lot, but his hands haven't been going to showdown. How are we playing this hand?

$0.05/$0.1 Deep No Limit Holdem
FullTiltPoker
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($17.34)
UTG+1 ($20.15)
CO ($11.48)
Hero (BTN) ($35.42)
SB ($7.19)
BB ($15.72)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is BTN jc.gif kd.gif
UTG raises to $0.35, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.35, 1 fold, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ad.gif qd.gif tc.gif ($1.10, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.85, BB folds, UTG calls $0.85

Turn: 3d.gif ($2.80, 2 players)
UTG bets $2.80, Hero calls $2.80

River: 3c.gif ($8.40, 2 players)
UTG bets $8.40, Hero says "so sick", Hero ??
tskillz187
That's kind of lame and you should fold here, but villain is repping a realllllllllllllly small range. If you had stats it would be a lot easier, because he could be repping hands that literally aren't in his range. He's repping a flush, but he raised UTG, he can't have any Ax flush hands, no Kx flush hands, no Qx flush hands, most Jx flush hands have A, K, Q in them, if he had JTdd, he would bet this flop a lot or c/r it sometimes, because he'd have pair + flush draw + gut shot.

So the best hand he can have here is like J9dd. Would he raise that pf?

But he's repping flush and at these limits I wouldn't be surprised for him to raise like any suited connectors and gappers from anywhere, so it could happen. I'd be a little more surprised for him to pot/pot turn and river as bluffs than to show up with like 75dd.
Shark527
Why not raise the turn? He might've checked the flop with a set because of the check flop/pot turn. He could also have a number of two pair/one pair & gutshot kinda hands.

He obviously doesn't have the A icon_suit_diamond.gif so do you think he would fire again if a diamond hits the river?

Temporary Nuts
QUOTE (Shark527 @ Sunday, July 12th, 2009, 3:01 PM) *
Why not raise the turn? He might've checked the flop with a set because of the check flop/pot turn. He could also have a number of two pair/one pair & gutshot kinda hands.

He obviously doesn't have the A icon_suit_diamond.gif so do you think he would fire again if a diamond hits the river?


I second raising the turn. At 10NL the general thought process for most villians spiking a flush on the turn is ZOMG BETTAR TRY FOR CHECK RAISE.

On the river this is a house too often for you to call.
rrumsey
repop turn hard and see if he comes over top
Dictius
I really don't understand why we would want to raise the turn.
Shark527
QUOTE (Dictius @ Sunday, July 12th, 2009, 6:34 PM) *
I really don't understand why we would want to raise the turn.


Get more value out of the best hand when we are pretty sure he would call a raise.

What hand could he have that would check flop and pot turn?
jmbreslin
Yeah, leading out for pot when he hits the flush on the turn would be a very unusual move. But checking that flop with a set or 2P is also pretty stupid considering how coordinated the board is.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (LJB723 @ Sunday, July 12th, 2009, 9:20 AM) *
Hola! Haven't posted for an age in the strat section but thought I'd get the opinion of some keen and eager minds.

Villain is a bit spewy, floats a lot, but his hands haven't been going to showdown. How are we playing this hand?

$0.05/$0.1 Deep No Limit Holdem
FullTiltPoker
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($17.34)
UTG+1 ($20.15)
CO ($11.48)
Hero (BTN) ($35.42)
SB ($7.19)
BB ($15.72)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is BTN jc.gif kd.gif
UTG raises to $0.35, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.35, 1 fold, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ad.gif qd.gif tc.gif ($1.10, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.85, BB folds, UTG calls $0.85

Turn: 3d.gif ($2.80, 2 players)
UTG bets $2.80, Hero calls $2.80

River: 3c.gif ($8.40, 2 players)
UTG bets $8.40, Hero says "so sick", Hero ??


Fold KJ to a 3.5xBB PF.
It just doesn't play well into a raise IMHO, even from the button.
The BB went away, so we've got the PF raiser left, which prob means a big ace/AQ sommat like that.
Villain went from cc on flop to leading the flush turn.
I'm not going to raise him, just going to let him value own himself with AQ/whatever.
If has a flush, he has a flush, I'm not folding my straight when I called 3.5xBB with KJ.
I'm calling and probably JUST calling on the river.
LJB723
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Monday, July 13th, 2009, 9:37 PM) *
Fold KJ to a 3.5xBB PF.
It just doesn't play well into a raise IMHO, even from the button.
The BB went away, so we've got the PF raiser left, which prob means a big ace/AQ sommat like that.
Villain went from cc on flop to leading the flush turn.
I'm not going to raise him, just going to let him value own himself with AQ/whatever.
If has a flush, he has a flush, I'm not folding my straight when I called 3.5xBB with KJ.
I'm calling and probably JUST calling on the river.


Winnar. This is exactly how the hand played out and what villain turned up with. MT pwns.

Thanks for the comments gents.
NoBBiR
You know, I hate to say it, but I find it hard to call the river. What the hell do we beat?

And the dude just bet basically a buy-in on the river. He either has KJ also, or a hand we lose too. I just can't call the river with this hand. Even spewtards give up on the river after donkfullpotting the turn and getting called and the board pairing on the end.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (NoBBiR @ Monday, July 13th, 2009, 10:17 PM) *
You know, I hate to say it, but I find it hard to call the river. What the hell do we beat?


All the AX hands that lead PF UTG.
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