What's been with your full frontal assault on religion of late? I've always known you had a contempt for it, but usually it's restricted to 1 or 2 snarky, awesome comments a thread. But recently you've started not one, but two threads that basically could be called " Hey you, churchy.. you've got shit for brains", and you've been blasting with both barrells. What's brought on this assault? has religion done something to you personally recently that has incensed you? Were a couple of Mormon's waking you from your sleep at 7 in the morning the hot straw/camel action you needed to snap? Was there a catalyst, or is this some passing fancy?

Whether he knows it consciously or not, he's looking for somebody here to say something that will make him think that he might be wrong. Unfortunately it doesn't seem anybody here has articulated a case for Christianity in a way that has done that for him yet.

I just happened to glance at the "Magic Zombie" thread this morning and his comments made me remember something that I truly believe was a miracle, and it helped me reaffirm my faith at a time when I kind of needed it a little bit. So I have him to thank for that.

Like most people on FCP, he probably just suffers from prolonged bouts of extreme boredom, combined with momentary self-loathing. It'll pass.

This is off topic, but do NOT search for "Jam Boy" in google images.

You know full well that upon reading this, everyone (including me unfortunately)... without fail... will immediately search 'jam boy' on google images.


Oh boy. Is it wrong that I clicked on more than one image though?

I find it refreshing. I live in Ohio (unfortunately) and god is constantly shoved down my throat, whether it be in a business networking situation, a social situation, or on the local news (the topic usually does not come up when I am in poker clubs, casinos, or bars). Openly expressing ones disdain for christianity and its adherents is basically social (and career if you are in sales) suicide. It always amazes me how little a role logic plays in most peoples lives. Lets face it, we in the states are just a stones throw away from burning witches.

thats because there is no case for christianity. only subjectively interpreted leaps of faith like you mention.

LOL Really? Any port in a storm, I suppose.

Oh come on... Spademan has to be the most entertaining debater in the religion forum. Granted, I don't agree with ANYONE in that forum but I have to say, Spademan's post are well written, funny, witty and he is brilliant at agitating everyone into a response. I love it!

You misunderstand me. The quality of Spademan's posts is not the issue, he's one of my top 5 favorite posters, easy. The issue is, what's his motivation for his current jihad ( so to speak).

Personally, I did not read anything into it except for that if you want to create some buzz the easiest place to do so is the Religion forum. I mean, if he is bored and wants a debate, what is he going to do... go into strategy and make a post... "You Pocket Aces Loving Zombies?"

He just doesn't seem to have the "personality" that would make me think he is crying out for help or enlightenment. Maybe I am wrong but I just don't get that vibe. You on the other hand...

help, maybe. Enlightenment, not so much.

I saw spademan just post in the zombie thread. I think he's giving me the high hat.

I'm getting a little tired of this pass we've given to absurdity and stupidity in the name of religion. I've grown a little weary of the taboo we've allowed in social situations to call to attention the contradiction and medieval bloodlust, the eating flesh and drinking blood, the suicide for allah, the compartmentalization of reason -- the entire gambit and sliding scale of silly superstitious stupidity that makes the foundation of faith and religion -- from the most moderate and temperate variety to the most extreme examples of literalistic fundamentalism.

I have been privy to a smattering of this foolishness stacked up the past couple weeks.

Hearing people say the most ridiculous things and seeing nobody at all take to task this information.

I grow weary of this refuge for delusional thought constructs. This last sacred refuge against critical thought and reason.

Also, I've got some down time for a bit... so I get a little bored sometimes since I find sleep a waste of time.

You know what never fails to tilt me? about how my local newspaper has a section, an entire section devoted to faith. Like A) Frontpage local C) Sports D)faith. THey have it twice a week, to talk about religious issues and news. Twice a god damn week. This is ****ing news?

You and me both.



Don't buy the paper?

Oh, I don't.But sometime's I'm in a public venue, like a diner or coffeehouse, and pick up the paper to read, and get tilted none the less. Local newspapers suck for many, many reasons these days, besides that, I don't want it to seem like that's the sole reason I don't read the paper. If it was a well written paper for people over a 4 grade literacy, I'd subscribe to it.

You know what tilts me? The frigging emoticon being triggered in lists.

I think it's kinda cute. I'm a softie for smilies

RELIGION IS MORE REAL THAN ONLINE POKER

A few years ago I found myself in an extremely desperate situation. It was pretty much life or death. Statistically, what I needed to happen had a less than 1% chance of happening. I've never prayed harder for anything in my life than I did on that day.

Either I binked a <1%er in the most important moment of my life, or my prayers were answered. I choose to be grateful to God.

No one has an excuse for this:

1. We've been posting here forever.
2. We can use a real list instead of typing the letters by hand.
3. We could turn off emoticons.

You realize 1% is 1 out of 100 right? You realize that that means it would happen 1 out of 100 times.

You realize that those odds aren't even all that great.

You know that even something that will only happen 1 time out of a million... will happen 1 time out of a million sometimes.

Replace "Luck" with "God" in my sig and the whole thing applies to you.

There is no Grand Wizard in the sky who is looking out for little old special chimp, speck of mote on a dirtball floating in vast space you.

Get over it.

Yeah, I'm familiar with math and probability. It's how I make my living. I realize that its far from concrete proof. I don't need concrete proof. Faith is worthless if given concrete proof. I said I choose to give God the credit.

We all have a choice. If we didn't have a choice...then well...whats the point? Right?

it's worthless either way, which is easily demonstrated by the fact that it leads people to
accept differing mutually exclusive beliefs.

which is exactly why faith is such a dangerous thing.

It's not dangerous, it's completely necessary. There is no concrete proof either way, and there never will be.

I'm not sure if I made my point clearly though. If God floated down from heaven and landed in Times Square and gave us proof of his existence, then our devotion to him is meaningless. We would have no choice but to follow his orders and live as he wishes.

There is a reason that we do not have proof. It is so that we are allowed to make a conscious decision, one that makes our faith (or lack of faith) meaningful.

I'm not trying to convince anyone to believe what I believe; but to for anybody to call himself an atheist and then close the subject in their own mind to any further debate is not wise, imo. If you're an atheist simply because there is no proof, then you're missing the point.

I don't intend to be rude by saying this, but this is the most insidious mind-virus that religion has ever invented. You are even better if you believe something without evidence.

I guess I'll take that as a compliment, since I came up with it myself. lol I guess maaaybe it could have been a point that has been made before, but its not one that I had personally heard or read or anything like that. I'm far from religious. I don't read the bible and I very rarely go to church (once or twice a year when I'm dragged there). I love science more than anybody I personally know. I just think its best to err on the side of caution.

And I think there's plenty of evidence, just no proof.

You should let the virus into your mind.

You're kidding right?

Just about everything you say you base your "beliefs" upon is an affront to critical thought.

He not only admitted that a few posts back, but he said his beliefs SHOULD be an affront to critical thought. I think you probably need to just step away from the car at this point.

grade A cult speak




i could list a million things you don't believe in because there is no proof. why does god get a different set of rules than you apply to everything else?

This is easily my very favorite argument in favor of theism.

I actually speak to God on a regular basis and occasionally give him a list of persons who should be allowed in to heaven. Ship me $100 and I will put you on the latest version of this list. As unlikely as this may seem, it is best of err on the side of caution, right?

Just like people in Salem chose to believe in witches

You guys are fagging up my perfectly nice thread, I just want you to know that.

youre on the right side here but realize that faith is not worthless, its evil. its negative, not zero. where there is the lack of reason, there is force and aggression, because reason will never amount to force with all things being reasonable. insert faith, and this all goes out the window.

a reasonable society will never produce the inquisition, 9/11, nazism, or the cultural revolution. faith is the most well known way to bypass reason. I know you know all this but im just saying.

do you know of ayn rand at all? i think you should if not...

Yeah, because Ayn Rand's bullshit pop-culture philosophy barely makes more sense than the bible. Barely.

Oh chirst, just when I thought this thread couldn't get any gayer....

a pop-culture philosopher would be immanuel kant, because his thinking is whats popular these days. and as usual for most people, you cannot make any argument against ayn rand, you just regurgitate what someone else told you. if you value reason, you value ayn rand.

socrates is gay

oh christ almighty.

john waters is gay.

stuff is gay..

no really john waters is actually gay

make an argument or step aside

wait a second.....you made that account to argue with yourself didn't you?