I'm torn.
I understand the need for the NCAA and the conferences to hold schools accountable, I really do. But why punish the coach and team because a few of their teammates made poor decisions..?
If the head coaches were involved directly with the cheating or were aware of the cheating, then I'd have a different feeling about it, I suppose. But what good do retroactive wins and conference titles really do for a school/program that recieves them anyway?
So, I'm curious what you all think.
Full Version: Vacating Wins..
QUOTE (DrawingDeadInDM @ Monday, June 22nd, 2009, 2:13 AM) 
I'm torn.
I understand the need for the NCAA and the conferences to hold schools accountable, I really do. But why punish the coach and team because a few of their teammates made poor decisions..?
If the head coaches were involved directly with the cheating or were aware of the cheating, then I'd have a different feeling about it, I suppose. But what good do retroactive wins and conference titles really do for a school/program that recieves them anyway?
So, I'm curious what you all think.
I understand the need for the NCAA and the conferences to hold schools accountable, I really do. But why punish the coach and team because a few of their teammates made poor decisions..?
If the head coaches were involved directly with the cheating or were aware of the cheating, then I'd have a different feeling about it, I suppose. But what good do retroactive wins and conference titles really do for a school/program that recieves them anyway?
So, I'm curious what you all think.
If it was anyone but Bobby Bowden, I would probably feel the punishment was unfair. But it's FSU, so **** em.
Vacating wins is the biggest joke punishment ever. In regards to the Alabama situation this quote pretty much sums it up...
"Unless a school has to vacate a National Championship, I really don't see how vacating past wins is any sort of punishment for a college football program. Either you think the rules they broke are serious enough to penalize them now, or it's pure B.S. Does Alabama have to return any of the bowl revenues they earned during the seasons where they made it to the post season, allegedly between the 2005 and 2007 seasons? That would include one Independence Bowl, where they probably lost money to begin with and a Cotton Bowl, which had to be a profitable venture.
Do they have to return any of the TV money they received from the SEC during those years where these infractions took place? Not likely. So it's either a big deal, or it's not a big deal. Do I think it's a good idea to have the book sale that their student athletes are alleged to have had? No. Do I think it's worth vacating wins for something like that? No, because if that's the only penalty, that they have to break out the white out for next year's media guide, a.) no one really cares and b.) no one is going to remember."
"Unless a school has to vacate a National Championship, I really don't see how vacating past wins is any sort of punishment for a college football program. Either you think the rules they broke are serious enough to penalize them now, or it's pure B.S. Does Alabama have to return any of the bowl revenues they earned during the seasons where they made it to the post season, allegedly between the 2005 and 2007 seasons? That would include one Independence Bowl, where they probably lost money to begin with and a Cotton Bowl, which had to be a profitable venture.
Do they have to return any of the TV money they received from the SEC during those years where these infractions took place? Not likely. So it's either a big deal, or it's not a big deal. Do I think it's a good idea to have the book sale that their student athletes are alleged to have had? No. Do I think it's worth vacating wins for something like that? No, because if that's the only penalty, that they have to break out the white out for next year's media guide, a.) no one really cares and b.) no one is going to remember."
QUOTE (Sportsmack @ Monday, June 22nd, 2009, 2:57 PM)
Vacating wins is the biggest joke punishment ever. In regards to the Alabama situation this quote pretty much sums it up...
"Unless a school has to vacate a National Championship, I really don't see how vacating past wins is any sort of punishment for a college football program. Either you think the rules they broke are serious enough to penalize them now, or it's pure B.S. Does Alabama have to return any of the bowl revenues they earned during the seasons where they made it to the post season, allegedly between the 2005 and 2007 seasons? That would include one Independence Bowl, where they probably lost money to begin with and a Cotton Bowl, which had to be a profitable venture.
Do they have to return any of the TV money they received from the SEC during those years where these infractions took place? Not likely. So it's either a big deal, or it's not a big deal. Do I think it's a good idea to have the book sale that their student athletes are alleged to have had? No. Do I think it's worth vacating wins for something like that? No, because if that's the only penalty, that they have to break out the white out for next year's media guide, a.) no one really cares and b.) no one is going to remember."
"Unless a school has to vacate a National Championship, I really don't see how vacating past wins is any sort of punishment for a college football program. Either you think the rules they broke are serious enough to penalize them now, or it's pure B.S. Does Alabama have to return any of the bowl revenues they earned during the seasons where they made it to the post season, allegedly between the 2005 and 2007 seasons? That would include one Independence Bowl, where they probably lost money to begin with and a Cotton Bowl, which had to be a profitable venture.
Do they have to return any of the TV money they received from the SEC during those years where these infractions took place? Not likely. So it's either a big deal, or it's not a big deal. Do I think it's a good idea to have the book sale that their student athletes are alleged to have had? No. Do I think it's worth vacating wins for something like that? No, because if that's the only penalty, that they have to break out the white out for next year's media guide, a.) no one really cares and b.) no one is going to remember."
And in 10 years, they just act like it never happened and the media guide reflects the actual results as if they never vacated the wins. I think that taking scholarships away is a better way of dealing with it, although it may not be fair to the current coach if it was a different coach.
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