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Mongoose6
Ive started to play 25 NL 6max quite a lot recently, but just thought id share some hands with u guys, see what you think about my line.
This is about the 4th hand of the table, and i have won $10 when a guy tried to bluff me, but obv didnt lol.

Is my raise on the flop big enough? and on the turn...how much would you bet? or would you check.
Thanks.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($17.65)
UTG ($26.65)
Hero (Button) ($35.30)
Villain (SB) ($25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, Q
1 fold, Hero bets $0.75, Villain calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.25) 9, Q, 2 (3 players)
Villain bets $1.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4.75, Villain calls $3.50

Turn: ($11.75) 8 (2 players)
Villain checks
Hero?

Total pot: $11.75
Biff Goods
I flip flop on whether to bet or check here depending on my read but I tend lean more towards betting half pot. Usually Villain will have a 9 or a worse Q here so you can try to milk him.
NoBBiR
It sort of depends on the player. You can bet and if he calls check behind on the river, bet now and bet the river or check now and call the river. Without reads I usually check behind and then call on the end I guess.
Dictius
I'd proabably check the turn and try and get some value on the river since it is unlikely he has a drawing hand at this stage. A follow up bet on the turn might make him fold a weaker Q or 9.
SCS
Bet/fold turn. Most villains at 25NL will call with worse Qs, JJ, TT, T9, KJs and will raise JT, and sets.

If villain is good, checking behind on the turn is good.

If you are going to raise this flop, why wouldn't you bet this turn. Unless you put him exactly on JT.
AimHigher
I think it's pretty close between pot controlling and betting the turn for value, but I'd probably be more inclined to bet than check. This turn gives him a lot of pair + draw hands and I'd rather just get value from those hands now then try to squeeze out thinner value from 9x/Qx on the river. There are also a decent amount of river cards that can peel off which we don't particularly like. We can be more inclined to pot control if we have a read he's likely to bluff the river or if the card is a little more innocuous.

I'd bet about $7.50 and fold to a shove. I think betting any less is probably missing value.
trystero
QUOTE (SCS @ Thursday, April 30th, 2009, 8:38 PM) *
Bet/fold turn. Most villains at 25NL will call with worse Qs, JJ, TT, T9, KJs and will raise JT, and sets.

If villain is good, checking behind on the turn is good.

If you are going to raise this flop, why wouldn't you bet this turn. Unless you put him exactly on JT.


^

Bet/fold AINEC.

I'm going for 3 streets against some rando donk. The only hand I"m afraid of is JT and if he has that we'll know for sure. How would we play kings in this spot? We'd bet them. And AQ isn't much different from KK because villain never has an overpair. I guess you can say that we're sorta blocking TP, so it makes that less likely, but whatever, just bet.
SCS
Also, against draws we are more likely to get value by betting the turn, than we are by checking behind and calling a bet on a blank river. And if villain has a worse Q, or JJ-TT we will get 3 streets of value.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (Mongoose6 @ Thursday, April 30th, 2009, 9:00 AM) *
Ive started to play 25 NL 6max quite a lot recently, but just thought id share some hands with u guys, see what you think about my line.
This is about the 4th hand of the table, and i have won $10 when a guy tried to bluff me, but obv didnt lol.

Is my raise on the flop big enough? and on the turn...how much would you bet? or would you check.
Thanks.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($17.65)
UTG ($26.65)
Hero (Button) ($35.30)
Villain (SB) ($25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, Q
1 fold, Hero bets $0.75, Villain calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.25) 9, Q, 2 (3 players)
Villain bets $1.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4.75, Villain calls $3.50

Turn: ($11.75) 8 (2 players)
Villain checks
Hero?

Total pot: $11.75


Actually, I perceive the 8 as a pretty ugly card.


It's really really weak, but I think the turn might be a bet fold or a check behind, and I'm not paying off a big river move.
We did the right thing on the flop and the deck didn't cooperate.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (trystero @ Thursday, April 30th, 2009, 8:14 PM) *
^

Bet/fold AINEC.

I'm going for 3 streets against some rando donk. The only hand I"m afraid of is JT and if he has that we'll know for sure. How would we play kings in this spot? We'd bet them. And AQ isn't much different from KK because villain never has an overpair. I guess you can say that we're sorta blocking TP, so it makes that less likely, but whatever, just bet.



Yeah, this.
RISEorFall
QUOTE (SCS @ Friday, May 1st, 2009, 4:30 AM) *
or JJ-TT we will get 3 streets of value.

i doubt we're getting a good sized turn and big river bet against these if they dont improve. that said, they do have several outs by the turn and we want to charge them.
i dont see how the 8 is a horrible card for us. the only hands that it helped were JT, 88, 98, and Q8, and of those usually all but JT fold the flop.

i bet the turn again because we want to charge TT, JJ, QJ, QT, KQ.
i bet a blank river, and check behind any K, J, or T. i guess we could make a thin value bet on a K, as there's only one hand that it helps, unless he cant let go of AK.

if we're raised on the turn i guess we have to fold, but he'd have to have a set or JT, both of which would probably take the b/c, c/r line.
SCS
QUOTE (RISEorFall @ Friday, May 1st, 2009, 5:01 PM) *
i doubt we're getting a good sized turn and big river bet against these if they dont improve. that said, they do have several outs by the turn and we want to charge them.
i dont see how the 8 is a horrible card for us. the only hands that it helped were JT, 88, 98, and Q8, and of those usually all but JT fold the flop.

i bet the turn again because we want to charge TT, JJ, QJ, QT, KQ.
i bet a blank river, and check behind any K, J, or T. i guess we could make a thin value bet on a K, as there's only one hand that it helps, unless he cant let go of AK.

if we're raised on the turn i guess we have to fold, but he'd have to have a set or JT, both of which would probably take the b/c, c/r line.



To clarify, we aren't always getting 3 streets of value from JJ-TT. But we will often enough to make betting each street for value profitable against villain. A lot of players at this level will call a 1/2 psb on the river with 2nd pair.

One of the biggest leaks players have at this level is not value betting thinly enough.
Mongoose6
So from what i hear a bet or a check behind is ok? I tend to do either depending on the situation, i just want to extract max value, and i feel i dont, like SCS said.

Well can i tell you what happens in the rest of the hand?

I bet $5.50 - is this too small? - and he called.

The river was a 7s. He then bet out $10

What do you do? What do you think he has? How often is he bluffing here?

Thanks
RISEorFall
QUOTE (SCS @ Friday, May 1st, 2009, 4:37 PM) *
To clarify, we aren't always getting 3 streets of value from JJ-TT. But we will often enough to make betting each street for value profitable against villain. A lot of players at this level will call a 1/2 psb on the river with 2nd pair.

One of the biggest leaks players have at this level is not value betting thinly enough.

i agree. i dont think we get 3 streets of value, but it doesnt mean we dont try. we bet the turn to protect our hand/get value, and if a blank river rolls off there's no reason not to bet if we think our hand is still best

as played, the turn bet is pretty weak. with almost 12 in the pot i'd bet about 8-9.

his line on river doesnt make much sense. the 7 rarely helped him, unless he's a station and would get this far with 77.
i'd just call in case he took an odd line with JT, but i'd rarely fold.
gooch
QUOTE (RISEorFall @ Saturday, May 2nd, 2009, 11:27 AM) *
i agree. i dont think we get 3 streets of value, but it doesnt mean we dont try. we bet the turn to protect our hand/get value, and if a blank river rolls off there's no reason not to bet if we think our hand is still best

as played, the turn bet is pretty weak. with almost 12 in the pot i'd bet about 8-9.

his line on river doesnt make much sense. the 7 rarely helped him, unless he's a station and would get this far with 77.
i'd just call in case he took an odd line with JT, but i'd rarely fold.


why is it an odd line with JT? villan is hoping that hero has AQ KK or AA there and would c-bet the turn trying to push villan of of KQ which he very well may have too, if he bet the turn and got a call then a shove on the river he would know it was JT, since he didn't this could very well be KQ now
RISEorFall
QUOTE (gooch @ Saturday, May 2nd, 2009, 10:51 AM) *
this could very well be KQ now

or TT, JJ, QJ, yeah it could, which is why Id call.

im just saying, b/c the draw, then c/c when he makes it and donking the river is a bit odd for JT. i mean it's not horrendous or super crazy, just most players would c/r the turn when they hit or go for c/r the river since we've been so aggressive. doesnt mean he doesnt have it, ive seen much stranger lines with the nuts than that, i just think it's the 3rd or 4th line villain would usually take with JT in this hand, behind b/c, c/r; b/c, c/c, c/r; b/c, b/r
gooch
QUOTE (RISEorFall @ Saturday, May 2nd, 2009, 12:08 PM) *
or TT, JJ, QJ, yeah it could, which is why Id call.

im just saying, b/c the draw, then c/c when he makes it and donking the river is a bit odd for JT. i mean it's not horrendous or super crazy, just most players would c/r the turn when they hit or go for c/r the river since we've been so aggressive. doesnt mean he doesnt have it, ive seen much stranger lines with the nuts than that, i just think it's the 3rd or 4th line villain would usually take with JT in this hand, behind b/c, c/r; b/c, c/c, c/r; b/c, b/r


if i had JT there i'm not sure i would want to check rs the turn there are a lot of good hands the hero could have that could get better and make for more action on the river like an Ace for instance, if villan does put hero on a hand like AQ, as played i would just call the river
Mongoose6
Well, i personally thought this was a great line for 10J. I would sometimes play it this way. It looks waaay like a bluff methinks.

I thought and i thought, but i eventually called.

Opponent showed KQ. Weeeee.

Ty for your replies guys, it seems most of you would call this bet yeah?
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