DemonDonk
Friday, April 24th, 2009, 11:51 AM
Right this is a live game with friends (we're 18). Before I speak about the hand I'd just like to explain the screwed up rules we play. It is sort of a capped no limit game, however you're allowed to go all in at any time. There is a max bet but if you want to bet more you have to push. It is really screwed up and I've always wanted to change it but they are stuck in their ways.
So this is first hand so everyone has £5.00 worth in chips. Blinds are 5/10 at this point, max bet is 100.
UTG (very loose mildly aggressive) raises to 40
UTG+1 (novice) calls 40
3 folds
CO (TAG) calls 40
1 fold
Me in small blind look down at AA.
I re-raise to 100, and everyone but BB calls (now the max bet screwed me over here.)
Flop comes 9h 4h 4c
pretty good flop for aces
I make a continuation bet of 70 (Was expecting to pick this up now, especially as i had Ah)
UTG raises to 100 (oh yeah we don't have to double raises, wierd no?)
1 fold
CO calls 100
and I figure for a while before calling the 30 (almost shoved, but chickened out)
Turn comes 5c
I then lead out again for 75 (probably a mistake)
UTG quickly raises to 100 again
and CO quickly moves all in 340 or so.
Now at this point I was obviously folding, after cursing my bad luck for a while and making out like this was such a good fold etc. I layed it down, and so did the UTG. Now the CO then revealed pocket 9s, really the only hand he could really have, and the UTG was going crazy with 77. So I triumphantly revealed my aces, proclaiming myself to be a genius, naturally because I knew that no one else there could fold them. Then in my third hand got on the wrong side of Ks vs As and I was out, pretty sick, but how would you better players have played AA here?
MaxStPolish
Friday, April 24th, 2009, 12:05 PM
QUOTE (DemonDonk @ Friday, April 24th, 2009, 2:51 PM)

Right this is a live game with friends (we're 18). Before I speak about the hand I'd just like to explain the screwed up rules we play. It is sort of a capped no limit game, however you're allowed to go all in at any time. There is a max bet but if you want to bet more you have to push. It is really screwed up and I've always wanted to change it but they are stuck in their ways.
So this is first hand so everyone has £5.00 worth in chips. Blinds are 5/10 at this point, max bet is 100.
UTG (very loose mildly aggressive) raises to 40
UTG+1 (novice) calls 40
3 folds
CO (TAG) calls 40
1 fold
Me in small blind look down at AA.
I re-raise to 100, and everyone but BB calls (now the max bet screwed me over here.)
Flop comes 9h 4h 4c
pretty good flop for aces
I make a continuation bet of 70 (Was expecting to pick this up now, especially as i had Ah)
UTG raises to 100 (oh yeah we don't have to double raises, wierd no?)
1 fold
CO calls 100
and I figure for a while before calling the 30 (almost shoved, but chickened out)
Turn comes 5c
I then lead out again for 75 (probably a mistake)
UTG quickly raises to 100 again
and CO quickly moves all in 340 or so.
Now at this point I was obviously folding, after cursing my bad luck for a while and making out like this was such a good fold etc. I layed it down, and so did the UTG. Now the CO then revealed pocket 9s, really the only hand he could really have, and the UTG was going crazy with 77. So I triumphantly revealed my aces, proclaiming myself to be a genius, naturally because I knew that no one else there could fold them. Then in my third hand got on the wrong side of Ks vs As and I was out, pretty sick, but how would you better players have played AA here?
really tought format, basically have a 100 cap bet per betting round unless all in.
if everyone's starting with 500 and there's already 120 of drift/blinds in, I might thing about going all in. I dunno though, it's tough rules to work with, as the rules obviously promote seeing flops and hands down.
If anything, I would have bet the flop like you did, to leave room for that slight raise, and prolly pushed on the guy right there. I don't know if I'm putting someone on 4x or 99 solely here....but a lot of that is your read on the players, etc.
mtdesmoines
Friday, April 24th, 2009, 12:06 PM
QUOTE (DemonDonk @ Friday, April 24th, 2009, 12:51 PM)

Right this is a live game with friends (we're 18). Before I speak about the hand I'd just like to explain the screwed up rules we play. It is sort of a capped no limit game, however you're allowed to go all in at any time. There is a max bet but if you want to bet more you have to push. It is really screwed up and I've always wanted to change it but they are stuck in their ways.
So this is first hand so everyone has £5.00 worth in chips. Blinds are 5/10 at this point, max bet is 100.
UTG (very loose mildly aggressive) raises to 40
UTG+1 (novice) calls 40
3 folds
CO (TAG) calls 40
1 fold
Me in small blind look down at AA.
I re-raise to 100, and everyone but BB calls (now the max bet screwed me over here.)
Flop comes 9h 4h 4c
pretty good flop for aces
I make a continuation bet of 70 (Was expecting to pick this up now, especially as i had Ah)
UTG raises to 100 (oh yeah we don't have to double raises, wierd no?)
1 fold
CO calls 100
and I figure for a while before calling the 30 (almost shoved, but chickened out)
Turn comes 5c
I then lead out again for 75 (probably a mistake)
UTG quickly raises to 100 again
and CO quickly moves all in 340 or so.
Now at this point I was obviously folding, after cursing my bad luck for a while and making out like this was such a good fold etc. I layed it down, and so did the UTG. Now the CO then revealed pocket 9s, really the only hand he could really have, and the UTG was going crazy with 77. So I triumphantly revealed my aces, proclaiming myself to be a genius, naturally because I knew that no one else there could fold them. Then in my third hand got on the wrong side of Ks vs As and I was out, pretty sick, but how would you better players have played AA here?
Because of the extremely specialized betting rules, we can't comment on proper strategy for this hand.
DemonDonk
Friday, April 24th, 2009, 12:14 PM
That's true I guess, but because we start off with shallow stacks I guess it allows for a lot of flops to be seen which I do like. It is proper screwed up in some ways.
Just ignore my post then.
trystero
Friday, April 24th, 2009, 1:23 PM
I get it in OTF, we're losing to 99/44
all-in, show me queens
SwolyswoND
Friday, April 24th, 2009, 2:31 PM
1) Find a new game or tell them to play real poker.
2) Bet the cap on the flop (which is still only a 1/3 pot bet. good lord this format sucks), as played, shove over the raise.
3) Don't include results in your post.
4) Don't show your aces after you fold. You'll get bluffed a lot more often now.
5) Find a new game or tell them to play real poker.
DemonDonk
Friday, April 24th, 2009, 2:51 PM
1. I'm not going to find a new game, as it is a game with school buddies and school ends in a couple of months, and i've been playing with the same people for over a year now so it's not worth burning any bridges this late on. Plus usually it's $$$ for me.
2. You're right about the format, although I thought a bet of 70 would achieve the same as a bet of 100 as I thought i'd pick up the pot there.
3. I haven't been on these forums long so I didn't know that I wasn't supposed to, I'll remember next time.
4. Probably right, but as i said, it's probably one of the last games we play, I'm not to worried about that.
Dictius
Friday, April 24th, 2009, 3:02 PM
Hmm I'd probably bet 100 on the flop and then go all in if anyone raises.
Aces are a good hand yo
DemonDonk
Friday, April 24th, 2009, 3:04 PM
Well, it probably would have been the best play, but as played it saved me a lot of chips, so it could be a case of wrong play, good result.
gooch
Friday, April 24th, 2009, 3:18 PM
all in open, you will get called by AK KK and QQ probably, given your weird betting rules I think it would be the best way to play them
Solar
Friday, April 24th, 2009, 4:03 PM
Actually the flop play is not too bad based on these rules. Bet out 70-80, some other guy will think "hey 70 is almost 100, may aswell raise" he pops it to 100, then you shove. Way more $$ in the pot in-case they want to fold.
SwolyswoND
Friday, April 24th, 2009, 4:30 PM
Well, that assumes something that I actually missed in the OP.
I realize that they are playing really messed up rules here, but technically (with normal rules), when OP bets 70 and gets raised to 100, he is not allowed to re-raise when the action swings back around to him.
SwolyswoND
Friday, April 24th, 2009, 4:36 PM
QUOTE (DemonDonk @ Friday, April 24th, 2009, 5:51 PM)

1. I'm not going to find a new game, as it is a game with school buddies and school ends in a couple of months, and i've been playing with the same people for over a year now so it's not worth burning any bridges this late on. Plus usually it's $$$ for me.
2. You're right about the format, although I thought a bet of 70 would achieve the same as a bet of 100 as I thought i'd pick up the pot there.
3. I haven't been on these forums long so I didn't know that I wasn't supposed to, I'll remember next time.
4. Probably right, but as i said, it's probably one of the last games we play, I'm not to worried about that.
1. Yeah I'm not asking you to burn bridges with your friends, but what's wrong with normal poker? If you want to set a cap fine set a cap, but these weird rules make it seriously into a different game. It's no longer NLHE, and as the first reply said, we cannot really comment on correct strategy for this.
2. How does 70 achieve the same as 100? It makes you less money when you get called and are ahead. The goal is not to make people fold when you have the virtual nuts.
3. I suggest reading the stickies for proper posting guidelines. The reason why you don't include results is that proper poker decisions have to be made without being results-oriented. (i.e. you don't want to say "well me shoving PF with J6s was clearly the right decision because everyone folded.") We try our best to not let the results influence us, but it's hard not to when you wave them in our face. Had you not told us he had 99, pretty much everyone here would have said your fold was awful.
4. Point taken, but we give advice for playing in general, not playing in one specific home game. As friendly as it might be, it's never wise to show your cards when you don't need to.
DemonDonk
Saturday, April 25th, 2009, 3:40 AM
1. I don't know exactly why we play like this, but when we started we were all novices and it just got incorporated into the rules somewhere a long the line. All I can say is that a couple of months ago it was worse, UTG started post flop, BB couldn't raise etc. I've managed to take out these other discrepancies but they won't get rid of max bet, and we are a democracy so every decision is voted on.
2. maybe I could of bet more, you're probably right.
3. Ok noted. And the fold was quite player specific, if the LAG player had shoved I'd have called, it's just the other player hesitated for a while before calling my re-raise PF and he usually plays his big hands fast so I couldn't put him on KK QQ JJ or TT then called on the flop to my surprise then instant shoved on the turn, my experience of this player tells me that he would at this point have either 99 55 or 4x, I think I could rule out A4s as he wouldn't call a re-raise with that, nor would he call on the flop with 55 so 99 is the hand I put him on.
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