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machine1984
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($9.01)
MP ($2.41)
CO ($2.62)
Hero (Button) ($5)
SB ($3.36)
BB ($2.62)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K icon_suit_spade.gif, J icon_suit_spade.gif
UTG calls $0.05, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.22, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.17

Flop: ($0.51) 4 icon_suit_heart.gif, A icon_suit_club.gif, K icon_suit_diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.51) 3 icon_suit_diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.30, UTG calls $0.30

River: ($1.11) J icon_suit_club.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.64, UTG raises $1.28, Hero?

villans 43/3/1.4 over 84 hands
Biff Goods
I snap call this. Villain usually shows up with Ax here.

Also I would consider betting the flop. You are the PF raiser and you will probably take it down there. Also you will get a better idea of what your opponent has. Checking gives you no information. If he calls he will usually check the turn and you still get to the river with the same price...the added bonus is that you have a high percentage chance of wining the pot. Check/bet turn screams you have a king.
Solar
QUOTE (Biff Goods @ Saturday, April 18th, 2009, 10:00 AM) *
Also I would consider betting the flop. You are the PF raiser and you will probably take it down there. Also you will get a better idea of what your opponent has. Checking gives you no information. If he calls he will usually check the turn and you still get to the river with the same price...the added bonus is that you have a high percentage chance of wining the pot. Check/bet turn screams you have a king.


I disagree with this. Villains range here is pretty much small pocket pairs, suited connectors and Ax hands. Betting the flop pretty much just helps to valuetown ourselves against Ax or a set and folds out all the missed pairs or connectors that have hit a pair that we can get value from later. Betting for information or to 'take down the pot' is usually wrong.
Whats the point of taking down the pot now when all the hands that fold are way behind, and may call bets on later streets?

I like the line hero took on this hand, and would snap call the river. The only hands that make sense and beat us are A3/A4 or 33/44 although there is a chance that he would have lead the turn with these hands.
Dictius
Since the guy is 43/3 hi range on the flop is huge, way bigger than small pocket pairs, suited connectors and Ax hands.

I probably call river, but I don't love doing it. He is so loose preflop he could pretty much any two pair like K3, 34 or maybe even a lone Ace sometimes.
Solar
QUOTE (Dictius @ Saturday, April 18th, 2009, 3:23 PM) *
Since the guy is 43/3 hi range on the flop is huge, way bigger than small pocket pairs, suited connectors and Ax hands.


Oh true, didn't even see the stats down there. My point remains.
LJB723
He did limp UTG so 43 is a possibility. I call here as it's an odd line for anything that beats us to take.
Dubey
he took a wierd line..

I think I play it the same and call river.
Nashtak
QUOTE (machine1984 @ Friday, April 17th, 2009, 4:34 PM) *
villans 43/3/1.4 over 84 hands


What do each digits stand for?
RISEorFall
QUOTE (Nashtak @ Tuesday, April 28th, 2009, 9:52 PM) *
What do each digits stand for?

they're PokerTracker stats.
they mean VP$IP/PFR%/AF

which basically means:
Voluntarily Put $$ In Pot - the % of the time you call/raise preflop. 43% means the guy plays about 43% of his hands

PreFlop Raise % - the % of time he raises preflop instead of calling. So he raises about 3% of the time preflop. (Is this 3% of the time total, or 3% of the 43% of hands he plays? someone who's better with these help me out)

Aggression Factor - not sure exactly how they come up with this, but it's basically a number based on how often a player bet/raises, calls, and folds after the flop. the higher the number the more they bet/raise instead of call.

there is (or atleast used to be) a good sticky on this that explained all the stats and good/bad ranges for them
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (machine1984 @ Friday, April 17th, 2009, 1:34 PM) *
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($9.01)
MP ($2.41)
CO ($2.62)
Hero (Button) ($5)
SB ($3.36)
BB ($2.62)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K icon_suit_spade.gif, J icon_suit_spade.gif
UTG calls $0.05, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.22, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.17

Flop: ($0.51) 4 icon_suit_heart.gif, A icon_suit_club.gif, K icon_suit_diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.51) 3 icon_suit_diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.30, UTG calls $0.30

River: ($1.11) J icon_suit_club.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.64, UTG raises $1.28, Hero?

villans 43/3/1.4 over 84 hands



Meh, it looks all along like hero is value-betting a decent K.
I'd call and expect to see a really weak A.
NoBBiR
You have to call the river. It's not the greatest though.
gooch
no one thinks a guy this loose could have QT?
SCS
QUOTE (gooch @ Thursday, April 30th, 2009, 6:56 PM) *
no one thinks a guy this loose could have QT?


Sure, but it's a relatively small part of his range.

Villain will have Ax here a lot.

Hand is played perfectly if hero calls river.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (gooch @ Thursday, April 30th, 2009, 3:56 PM) *
no one thinks a guy this loose could have QT?


I think that's part of the point.
A guy this loose shows up with <.....................................> a ton of hands here.
Many of them, we beat. So we call.
TAGteam
my first thought was a shove, but we're only getting called if we're beat. a pretty confident call imo
NoBBiR
QUOTE (gooch @ Thursday, April 30th, 2009, 3:56 PM) *
no one thinks a guy this loose could have QT?


Sure, but if you fold, you're not putting him your opponent on a realistic range. He can have a ton of hands that he plays this way, not only the nuts.
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