if they can rescind the flagrant on Anthony Johnson, they could be able to revoke the T. They should that was pretty weak.

and mo williams throws balls at the other team.

we have a skip to my lou sighting ladies and gentlemen

clutch free throws.

What a joke.

Lebron runs over a guys leg and trips, gets a call. Vlade Jr. undercuts and pulls down Howard, nothing. Oh and I guess we can throw out that blocking a shot from behind is an automatic foul, cause Lebron raped Howard from behind on a shot with no call.

If there is any justice, Orlando wins the overtime by double digits.

Howard is really playing like a man in overtime.

I'm really shocked the last two plays of regulation were decided by the refs.

Im almost certain that if Orlando was losing instead of it being tied up that it would have been an automatic foul on Anderson V on the final play.

Dwight, stop blocking Lebrons shots. Didn't they teach you in 4th grade the ball is part of Lebrons body?

umm you are half right

Mild justice seeing Lebron not get the calls against Howard in the OT where Howard made good plays.

I meant to say that I was shocked the last two plays had some kind of refereeing controversy.

I am convinced that no matter what happens with this series, Orlando is the superior team.

man you gotta serious hard on for the Cavs.

if the cavs lose the series i think mike brown and big Z are both gone

Other than Vlade Jr. there isn't anyone on the Cav's I don't like, or just don't care about one way or the other. I'm just annoyed with the NBA trying to crown James the best everything ever before he earns anything and then being obnoxious enough to try and bail him out when he is getting tested. I think it's funny the "greatest athlete" in the game today got tired.

Kinda like the ridiculousness that was James being second in defensive player of the year voting. Didn't I see him guarding Alston while he was making his own highlight reel? I thought he could play/guard 5 positions! Who was guarding Lewis while he was going off in the 4th?

few things:

it is a disgrace to mention varejao in the same breath and the great vlade divac
you're greatest athlete getting tired point is just stupid and idiotic
i agree on your other points

god i hate the offensive mind of mike brown

when they sent lebron to the line at the end of regulation - i was like "wow jadaki will be bitching about that two years after he's dead" and i smiled

i don't care who you are - i don't care if you get kicked in the balls after the defender announced his intentions to do so - you don't get a foul called in a tie playoff game with a half a second left

the best thing vlade divac ever did was become Kobe Bryant - similar to how David Robinson's top NBA achievement was to get hurt so the spurs could get Tim Duncan

i don't care if you are the dream team - it's tough to win when skip to my lou is banking in threes

Sorry but there's something very wrong with that statement.

The Dream Team wouldn't have been in that position in the first place. We're talking HOF defenders here. I think they'd do just fine guarding Skip to my Lou.

I kind of want orlando to win it all now, if just to shut all this "experts" up who say a perimeter team can't win a championship, and bag on Stan Van Gundy for basically being ugly. I love Stan Van, I think he's one of the most open and honest coaches around ( most coaches talk 100 percent in coach speak) and he's a much better coach than the people brutalizing him on TV would lead you to believe.

but with .06 seconds left its fine for Lebron, right?

Varejao is the most obnoxious flopper since Vlade. And both their names start with V, I don't care if it's a first and a last name. There aren't a lot of V's in the NBA.

Lebron did get tired in toward the end of the game. He had no lift in OT when he drive and Howard was able to palm the ball to force the jump. He was sloppy with his handle in the 4th and OT turning the ball over several times.

1 turnover in the first 3 quarters and what was it, 7 in the 4th and overtime? That's a product of getting tired. He usually isn't that sloppy with the ball.

The no call had everything to do with the game being tied. Lebron got his call with .5 seconds left because the Cavs were down two.

That's sort of my point. But I guarantee that if Lebron was the one undercut on the last play and not Howard, he would have gotten the call.

yea lebron was tired, but my point being that you make is sound like he shouldnt be tired. also both calls at the end of the game were correct so quit crying about phantom fouls and no calls

I'm pretty sure all I've heard about Lebron the last 6 years and even before that was that he was the most impressive physical specimen to ever play the game, yet he was getting tired why other people weren't. It's my way of ripping on the hype that surrounds the guy. I'm sure they will blame the coach for it though.

And sorry, I don't buy bailing out the guy for stepping on the defenders leg with .5 seconds left. If he wasn't trying to run the guy over it wouldn't have happened.

lol i hate lebron, apparantly not as much as you, but you cant just blame the refs for everything. they get it right sometimes too. if you're gonna rag on them for getting it wrong then you cant rag on them for getting it right.

I don't hate Lebron, just the silly hype around him.

I do hate the officiating I've seen in the playoffs in general.

I just don't see how you can call that foul when the defender right with Lebron, planted his foot first, and then Lebron tried to cut into him stepping on his leg and running him over. What is the point of playing defense if the player with the ball is allowed to just run you over at any point and always come out ahead.

The only reason I think the no call against Howard is bad is because of the call on the other end. if your going to give a star call to him, you have to give it to Howard too.

Not to get in the middle of your and Keith's slap fest, but this is just absurd. Sure he was getting tired, you would to if you were the only offensive weapon on the team. The Jordan comparison is an easy one, go back to the 87-88 bulls, Jordan was 60% of their offense and he got tired too in this situation.

I blame Mike Brown. There were no plays called, from about 7 minutes to go in the 4th, they handled Lebron the ball at the top of the Key and let him drive. That would wear anyone out. Hell they weren't even really setting screens for him.


Alos, I am on board with Big D, I want Orlando to win it all now.

And there it is.

Actually they did run some plays. They posted West, then posted Lebron and got back to back easy buckets with like 3 minutes left to go. Also did anyone else notice toward the end of the game one of the assistant coaches drawing up the plays while Mike Brown just did commentary in the huddle.

I think the "master of panic" label looks ridiculous now which is great. Shaq is a funny dude and I get his popularity.....but, to be honest, he is a huge prick. Whenever he leaves a town, he leaves with zero class. And how great can he be if he has played for 4 different teams. I am glad to see SVG get his due.

That said, every game in this series is close and I expect Cleveland to win Game 5 with relative ease. Game 6 should be a classic.

The block on Pietrus was absolutely the right call. There was obvious contact. Lebron beat him to the spot. So was the non-call on Varejao. Yes, maybe Lebron gets that call (who can know that?).....but it was not a foul. Varejao just stood there while Howard grabbed his arm. All in all, I thought the refs did a very decent job in Game 4. Orlando has simply been better than Cleveland so far (though Games 1 and 4 could have easily gone the other way.....Game 2 as well).

Finally, at the end of Game 4, Mike Brown went small (gibson, Mo, West, Bron, Varejao). That's their money lineup this series. Let West harass Turkoglu and stick Lebron on Lewis (since no one else on the Cavs can guard him at all).

Putting Ben Wallace on Rashard Lewis for that possession near the end of regulation was just retarded. Mike Brown's reputation as a coach has rightfully gone up this year.....but that one decision knocked him right back down to "just ok" in my eyes. Terrible decision and it cost them.

No he didn't, that's why he stepped on him. If Lebron was there first, Lebron wouldn't have tripped. And Vlade Jr. did a whole lot more than get grabbed, he was undercutting Howard while Howard was in the air.

Not to steer this thread off in a complete tangent, but what is up with NBA head coaches these days? Half of them suck.

The Kings are looking right now, and Eddie Jordan is the front runner. WTF is that? Mike Brown and Doc Rivers coaching two of the best teams in the league. I just don't get it.

Mike Brown is a pretty good defensive coach, he could use a Tex Winter type assistant to help out the offense though.

please. no one agrees with you not even I fold. Lebron beat him badly....and tripped when Pietrus blocked him. If you step on a moving foot, that's a block. Pietrus was not even close to set.

Vlade jr. (I like that nickname btw it fits) was undercutting him but was also being grabbed by Howard. The definition of a no-call in my book.

I never said he was set, they were both moving at an angle and Lebron cut into him intentionally running him over. It's a bullshit sissy move he pulled out to make the refs bail him out.

It's the same as sticking out his off arm and pushing off.

*EDIT* I've been trying to track down the replay of the above the court view where you can clearly see Lebron cut right into him, but all the replays I can find online are the side view.

thats how they always call that, though. that's a veteran move. no different than MJ giving Russell that pushoff in 1998.

edit: the NBA rescinded the T on Howard from last night. The right move....he did not taunt anyone for even a split second from what I saw.

i think lebron fucked jada's girlfriend or something.

He can have my baby's momma.

i think i used that before. my internet posting game is really slipping.

mike brown is an idiot, i cant wait for the "coach of the year" to get fired

putting Ben Wallace on Rashard Lewis at the end of the game was an F- move. He would be my 2nd to last pick to guard Lewis (after Ilguaskus). Defensive expert, my ass. His system might be sound but his preferred squad does not match up well with the perimeter oriented Magic and he has been unable to adapt. Orlando is topping 100 with ease against a team that rarely lets teams get over 90.

His only wise recourse is to go super small and pray that they can figure out a way to not get destroyed on the glass. That way the Cavs can make a real attempt at guarding the 3 point line instead of praying that Orlando starts to miss.

Gibson, Williams, West, Bron, any big guy. I am sure he wont do it.

i thought wally did a good job on lewis, the few minutes that he got

THat's an option....but Wally was pretty ineffectual on the offensive end.

West did a pretty good job on Turk during the last few minutes of the 4th guarding the pick-n-rolls.

So, who wins tonight? Lakers are a 6 point favorite with pretty close to even action on both sides. Is Carmello healthy?

I like LA in a close one they probably wont deserve.

Take Denver and the 6 points.

Has anyone heard anything about Anthony? I know hes going to play but is he going to be effective?

That philosophy is what's giving the officials problems. It seems they've kinda stopped making the right call on each individual play, instead trying to call a whole game on each trip, and now they're so confused as to what they're supposed be doing out there they've gotten away from why they're there in the first place.


I know, but the only coaches available are coaches that were fired, and a lot of good assistants don't want to be head coaches. Too much responsibility and no job security.

I can't wait until Jadaki misreads and distorts this

I think the foul on Lebron's drive was a bad call and a bail out - but calling a foul on a drive to the hoop at least is reasonable

calling a foul in a tie playoff game on an inbounds play with 0.5 seconds left that would give free throws would be absurd and should never ever be called

How am I going to distort that?