i have 5-8 offsuit. I'm playing a really bad, horrible .10 - .25 NL game at Pokerroom cuz a duder just gave me $20 bucks.

Im at $36 bucks when this hand comes.

As I said, 58o, the entire table limps to me, and I think, damn I should limp in and try to catch a miracle flop. Basically the only flop I'd be completely happy with would be a boat as two pair would give someone most likely, an OESD with all these limpers.

But I still fold.

Flop is 558 and this horrid player fires 2 into the pot, all fold of course and he shows 510. I would have busted him here.

The question though is, although the entire table limped to you, and you have a big stack at the table, do you still fold 58o?

I couldn't believe the flop afterwards...espicially after saying to myself..I should maybe just sneak in here and hope to get super lucky. I don't play result oriented, but what do you think? Pot odds dictate this? Or implied odds? Oh, and this was a full 10 table. The SB folded so the flop was taken 8 handed.

- Jordan

I don't think pot odds dctate that you should call, but meh, its a quarter, why not see a flop? if only purely for entertainment value, because not playing poker is... not fun.

We have all had the miracle flop come up right after we had folded our crap hands. With all those limpers, you might be getting the proper pot odds to call (I have no idea when it comes to that stuff), but unless they were suited (and then it is still a stretch to consider them suited-connectors), seems like an easy fold to me. :wink:

I agree with Rocket - anything suited I'll limp in with these kind of pot odds, but otherwise, Ill save that one bet for another round. When you are playing a game that averages 1-2BB/100, saving a few bets here or there are the difference between profit and loss.

Dev

there's never a time in the game where you fold and a miracle flop comes up for you. If that never happens to you then you're playing way too many pots.

And look at it this way. 8 5 vs. 5 10. What if the flop is 552? Does he get a lot off of you? Probably

i've always been of the belief that if this hand is excessively loose and i'm in late position, i'll limp with just about anything.

hell, some of you know that i called two cold with 3-2 on the button after UTG raised and got five cold-callers, in a limit game. the big blind also called, so the flop was seven-handed.

in retrospect, that was bad because i was facing two cold. but if it was just one bet to me, i still think it's correct to limp there.

with the entire table limping, i would have limped in a heartbeat with 8-5 offsuit, because i'm an implied odds junkie. if it was suited, i'd limp in half a heartbeat.

this is debatable, though, and it's also about personal style.


this is no limit--a good player will be averaging 5-10 bb/100, sometimes as high as 15 bb/100. there are also massive implied odds in NL, and one big blind is almost meaningless when you face these kinds of prospects for hitting a big flop and doubling up.

if it was limit, your statement is closer to the truth, but i still disagree on the basis of implied odds again. in that big of a pot, you are getting 8-to-1 to call, and your implied odds are through the roof (if you were getting 8-to-1 while facing two cold, your implied odds would be severely cut in half, but you're not facing two cold here). the pot is massive (at least it almost always WILL be--the fact that seven people folded on this flop after limping in is vastly abnormal in a game as loose as this), and i will gladly sacrifice 0.5 BB at such a great and rare proposition.

if EVERY hand was like this, you must tighten up again, since these opportunities will continuously present themselves, and you can wait for better hands. in a rare situation like this, though (which i'm assuming is rare because the OP posted it), i will take it.

personal taste, maybe.

aseem

Not always. Same kinda thing came up. I had 10-2 in sb, all limped to me. I flopped trip 10s, got a lot of action from MP...game was pretty passive...i layed down..he had QT.

Lost a minimum there. So, I dunno.

- Jordan