PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($26.95)
Hero (MP) ($45.30)
Button ($34.55)
SB ($26.25)
BB ($57.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8, 10, J, Q
UTG calls $0.50, Hero bets $1.50, Button calls $1.50, SB raises to $7, 1 fold, UTG calls $6.50, Hero calls $5.50, Button raises to $34.55 (All-In), SB calls $19.25 (All-In), UTG calls $19.95 (All-In), Hero calls $27.55

Flop: ($122.80) J, 8, K (4 players, 3 all-in)


I felt like each time it came around PF I had the equity to call. Yes? No?

Yeah, I think it's fine.

Who doesn't like to gamble?

What a mess. The problem is with that much action preflop you know several of your straight outs are likely gone.

i'm having problems with exactly these kind of hands. today i got it in three ways and only had 20%. i guess its just going to be a matter of practice and experience and running equities but any tips would be appreciated.

my first guess is that hands with pairs that aren't aces or sometimes kings in them are bad.

You have to be very cautious with paired hands, even AA hands. I tend to think of all paired hands in Omaha as low-med pairs in NLHE - you're looking to flop a set or get out. That's why it's so important to have additional value, such as suited and/or connected cards. I'd much rather have QQT9 suited than AAQQ rainbow.

Everything I've read about PLO suggests that high pairs are the most overplayed hands for players who transition from Hold em to PLO.

so hands with pairs are no good to get it in with. i've also read that hands with aces or broadwayish textures tend to play poorly against preflop all ins. i guess if i have to i'm looking for hands like 5678ds?
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how about calling three bets and hands like QQ88 and TT97ds?

i'm in the blind and its bet and three bet. the opener is really lose and deep, i don't think he's gonna 4 bet.

what can i call with?

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same scenario but I'm on the button and the CO 3 towned it. assume blinds are total nits. what can i cold call a 3 bet with?

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high pairs do seem to give me trouble. they are so much more valuable in plo8 than plo. i stack people all the time in plo8 with aces and i got the money in good the whole way. because i don't have the low to add to my equity those wonky two pairs kill me.

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i know i'm hijacking the thread but these 3 bet pots are seeming to give me a lot of trouble. any advice or should i post some hands with reads?

It depends. High double pairs are solid hands but they stack up better in heads-up pots than in multi-way pots. And it's much better if your pairs are close together to give you straight potential.


Just like the hand posted here, the problem with broadway hands in multi-way all-in situations is that you know the hands your opponents are pushing are going to be AAxx and AKKQ type hands, which kills many of your outs. So yes, if I'm going to call a couple of all-ins preflop, I'd rather have the 8765ds hand than KQJT.


I'd probably prefer to do it with the TT97 hand because you can flop a big straight draw whereas with the QQ88 hand you're basically calling 3 bets to set mine...and even if you hit your set, a bare set doesn't stack up well to big combo draws. You could flop your set of Q's and still be a dog to a combo straight +flush draw. Sets in PLO aren't nearly as valuable as sets in HE.


Since you'll be OOP you should only be calling with a premium hand, IMO.


Wider, because you'll have position.

Here's an example of one of the situations we're talking about, although it's not a multi-way all-in situation:

Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($5.88)
SB ($0.36)
BB ($1.20)
UTG ($3.57)
Hero (MP) ($2.12)
CO ($3.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, 9, 10, A
1 fold, Hero calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, Button bets $0.11, SB raises to $0.36 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls $0.34, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.12) 9, 4, 4 (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, Button bets $1.12, Hero folds

Turn: ($1.12) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($1.12) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $1.12 | Rake: $0.07


In this hand, the "garbage" KKT3 hand actually had quite an edge over the two of us because so many of our outs were dead. However, if you change my hand to T987 instead of the broadway cards, suddenly we have a 3-way equity-wise.

thank you for all that jm

Just realized I forgot to include the hands

The winning hand was the KKT3 hand and the other villain had a broadway hand as well, something like AQQJ.