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Piddle Duck
Have had a rough few days and need to get my mind off shit so I thought I would make a thread for us to post our teams this year, ask questions, stuff like that.

I only have on teams. It's a 10 person league, head to head, been running for a few years. Tons of ridic stats that are scored...

R, H, 1B, 2B, 3B, HR, RBI, SB, BB, TB, FPCT, AVG, OBP, SLG, OPS, W, CG, SHO, SV, K, HLD, ERA, WHIP, K/BB, K/9


Here is my roster for this season...

1. (6) Ryan Howard 1B
2. (15) Tim Lincecum SP
3. (26) Manny Ramírez OF
4. (35) Ichiro Suzuki OF
5. (46) Geovany Soto C
6. (55) Joakim Soria RP
7. (66) Chad Billingsley SP
8. (75) Dan Uggla 2B
9. (86) Bobby Jenks RP
10. (95) Ryan Zimmerman 3B
11. (106) Miguel Tejada SS
12. (115) Willy Taveras OF
13. (126) Scot Shields RP
14. (135) Ted Lilly SP
15. (146) Brian Wilson RP
16. (155) Clayton Kershaw SP
17. (166) Alex Gordon 3B
18. (175) Kyle McClellan RP
19. (186) Juan Pierre OF
20. (195) James Loney 1B
21. (206) Adam LaRoche 1B
22. (215) Gil Meche SP
23. (226) Kevin Kouzmanoff 3B
24. (235) Rafael Pérez RP
25. (246) Elijah Dukes SENT PACKING AND PICKED UP Cameron Maybin

Not great but was happy to pick up Loney and LaRoche late.
TB17
wtf at howard at 6.
gobears
I used Rotowire's handy dandy value generator with your league's inputs (minus FPCT, CG, SHO and Holds since RW didn't have those stats). Here's where they ranked your players

1. (6) Ryan Howard 1B (25) - why so high?
2. (15) Tim Lincecum SP (16) - I like the Freak
3. (26) Manny Ramírez OF (47) - Boo Dodgers
4. (35) Ichiro Suzuki OF (24) - Add in FPCT and he's probably higher
5. (46) Geovany Soto C (72) - Catcher inflation
6. (55) Joakim Soria RP (69) - I like the pick
7. (66) Chad Billingsley SP (125) - Groin Strain ftw
8. (75) Dan Uggla 2B (71)
9. (86) Bobby Jenks RP (181)
10. (95) Ryan Zimmerman 3B (65) - first big steal
11. (106) Miguel Tejada SS (263) - go away steroid boy
12. (115) Willy Taveras OF (572) - fielding can't make that big of a difference
13. (126) Scot Shields RP (250)
14. (135) Ted Lilly SP (87) - second big steal
15. (146) Brian Wilson RP (245)
16. (155) Clayton Kershaw SP (182)
17. (166) Alex Gordon 3B (99) - third big steal
18. (175) Kyle McClellan RP (339)
19. (186) Juan Pierre OF (554) - Ask PMJackson about this guy
20. (195) James Loney 1B (86) - fourth big steal
21. (206) Adam LaRoche 1B (117) - fifth big steal
22. (215) Gil Meche SP (195)
23. (226) Kevin Kouzmanoff 3B (254)
24. (235) Rafael Pérez RP (150) - this guy should close/Indians didn't need Kerry Wood
25. (246) Elijah Dukes SENT PACKING AND PICKED UP Cameron Maybin (444) - they had Dukes at 234. - Dukes is better in short term/Maybin better in keeper/dynasty leagues of course
Snamuh
QUOTE (TB17 @ Wednesday, March 25th, 2009, 4:02 PM) *
wtf at howard at 6.


+1

I'm not sure how I feel about the Lincecum pick either. And I think you reached too much for catcher and closer (Soto and Soria).
Piddle Duck
QUOTE (Snamuh @ Wednesday, March 25th, 2009, 4:55 PM) *
+1

I'm not sure how I feel about the Lincecum pick either. And I think you reached too much for catcher and closer (Soto and Soria).



Everyone was taking their Ace in the second round so I kind of was forced on that one and same with the closers. All of sudden everyone was taking one so I grabbed one. I have been caught too many times in the past where I ignore the draft trend and do my thing and then end up screwed on a position.

I don't mind howard. Do I do better taking Sizemore or Braun or Hamilton?




gobears
QUOTE (Piddle Duck @ Wednesday, March 25th, 2009, 2:08 PM) *
Everyone was taking their Ace in the second round so I kind of was forced on that one and same with the closers. All of sudden everyone was taking one so I grabbed one. I have been caught too many times in the past where I ignore the draft trend and do my thing and then end up screwed on a position.

I don't mind howard. Do I do better taking Sizemore or Braun or Hamilton?


I'd go Sizemore and then Braun. I'd take Howard over Hamilton.
Snamuh
QUOTE (Piddle Duck @ Wednesday, March 25th, 2009, 5:08 PM) *
Everyone was taking their Ace in the second round so I kind of was forced on that one and same with the closers. All of sudden everyone was taking one so I grabbed one. I have been caught too many times in the past where I ignore the draft trend and do my thing and then end up screwed on a position.

I don't mind howard. Do I do better taking Sizemore or Braun or Hamilton?


I'd go Sizemore, then Braun. If Cabrera were available, I'd take him over all of those. After Braun, I'd take Teixiera. Hamilton I'd take around the end of the first round. I'd pass on Howard entirely and probably not even take him top 16.

Edit: Utley and Rollins belong in the mid to late first round as well.
TB17
ok here's my team, lot of upside I think, took a lot of risks with pitchers cuz I think they're really deep this year. 12 team 5x5 with 5 OF, 1 1b/3b, 1 2b/ss, UTIL, 9 Ps.

3 Albert Pujols, StL
22 Nick Markakis, Bal
27 Matt Holliday, Oak
46 Brian McCann, Atl
51 Nate McLouth, Pit
70 Corey Hart, Mil
75 Derrek Lee, ChC
94 Raul Ibanez, Phi
99 Daisuke Matsuzaka, Bos
118 Matt Cain, SF
123 Alex Gordon, KC
142 Ricky Nolasco, Fla
147 Derek Lowe, Atl
166 Josh Johnson, Fla
171 Kelly Johnson, Atl
190 Brett Myers, Phi
195 Ryan Theriot, ChC
214 Shin-Soo Choo, Cle
219 Mike Gonzalez, Atl
238 Orlando Hudson, LAD
243 Chris Perez, StL
262 Wandy Rodriguez, Hou
267 Ubaldo Jimenez, Col
286 Josh Fields, CWS
291 Aaron Hill, Tor
gobears
QUOTE (TB17 @ Wednesday, March 25th, 2009, 3:56 PM) *
ok here's my team, lot of upside I think, took a lot of risks with pitchers cuz I think they're really deep this year. 12 team 5x5 with 5 OF, 1 1b/3b, 1 2b/ss, UTIL, 9 Ps.

3 Albert Pujols, StL
22 Nick Markakis, Bal
27 Matt Holliday, Oak
46 Brian McCann, Atl
51 Nate McLouth, Pit
70 Corey Hart, Mil
75 Derrek Lee, ChC
94 Raul Ibanez, Phi
99 Daisuke Matsuzaka, Bos
118 Matt Cain, SF
123 Alex Gordon, KC
142 Ricky Nolasco, Fla
147 Derek Lowe, Atl
166 Josh Johnson, Fla
171 Kelly Johnson, Atl
190 Brett Myers, Phi
195 Ryan Theriot, ChC
214 Shin-Soo Choo, Cle
219 Mike Gonzalez, Atl
238 Orlando Hudson, LAD
243 Chris Perez, StL
262 Wandy Rodriguez, Hou
267 Ubaldo Jimenez, Col
286 Josh Fields, CWS
291 Aaron Hill, Tor


Looks good. Choo has upside and is a good sleeper. Perez will be a good pick if he beats out Motte/Franklin for the closer role in St L. Wandy is another good sleeper. Nolasco and Johnson are underrated since they play on the Marlins.

Derrek Lee due to his age and possible decline is about the only player that I would have passed on.
AdamDarv
My team listed below, playing in TB17's 5 x 5 league, H2H. As with most fantasy baseball drafts I usually avoid starting pitchers until the latter rounds, instead focusing on hitting and closers. I also look to draft players with higher upside whcih usually means guys 27 years old and younger. Starting pitchers vary so much from year to year that you can usually find some decent waiver wire pickups throughout the season or trade excess closers/batters for them.


C Victor Martinez, Cle C
1B Justin Morneau, Min 1B
2B Brian Roberts, Bal 2B
3B Evan Longoria, TB 3B
SS Jimmy Rollins, Phi SS
2B/SS Stephen Drew, Ari SS
1B/3B Chris Davis, Tex 1B, 3B
OF Curtis Granderson, Det OF
OF Jay Bruce, Cin OF
OF Chris Young, Ari OF
OF Elijah Dukes, Was OF
OF Chase Headley, SD OF
UTIL Mike Jacobs, KC 1B
Bench Billy Butler, KC 1B, DH
Bench Daniel Murphy, NYM OF
P Kerry Wood, Cle RP
P Bobby Jenks, CWS RP
P Chad Qualls, Ari RP
P Heath Bell, SD RP
P Matt Lindstrom, Fla RP DTD
P Joey Devine, Oak RP DTD
P Johnny Cueto, Cin SP
P Armando Galarraga, Det SP
P Mark Lowe, Sea RP
Bench Manny Parra, Mil SP, RP
Flushgarden
This is the same 12 team 5x5 with 5 OF, 1 1b/3b, 1 2b/ss, UTIL, 9 Ps league that a couple other people have posted teams from.

I drafted with the intention of having a boom or bust team...and at first glance I'm sure some people aren't going to like it. This team is not complete however, and I'm sacrificing some early season equity with hopes of being very strong at the end, and win in the playoffs. I'm hoping a few people I took risks on will pay off, and then I can make trades to fill in some holes later, if necessary. It's going to look like I reached for a couple people, but where I got them is well below where their max potential is, in my opinion. One screw up though was Jorge Cantu at 72. That was a misclick. I was distracted and there were a couple other reasons why it happened, but it's not the worst misclick ever. He's still fairly young and I think he has the ability to beat his projections.

I'm going to try to trade for a closer but if it doesn't happen right away it's no big deal, and hopefully I can pick another one up from the free agent pool at some point. Also I'll defend the Garciaparra pick right now. At this point its looking like he's going to play pretty much every day, and he's going to have eligibility at SS, 1B and 3B pretty soon, and right now he's healthy. A healthy Garciaparra playing every day is worth the 289th pick, imo. If he hits the DL or starts sitting a lot then he's quite expendable.


1. Hanley Ramirez, SS Fla

24. Manny Ramirez, OF LAD

25. Cole Hamels, SP Phi

48. Felix Hernandez, SP Sea

49. Josh Beckett, SP Bos

72. Jorge Cantu, 3B/1B Fla

73. Robinson Cano, 2B NYY

96. Adam Dunn, OF Was

97. Andre Ethier,OF LAD

120. Pablo Sandoval, 1B SF

121. Adam Wainwright, SP StL

144. Mike Napoli, C LAA

145. Mike Lowell, 3B Bos

168. J.D. Drew, OF Bos

169. Jack Cust, OF Oak

192. Chien-Ming Wang, SP NYY

193. Clayton Kershaw, SP LAD

216. Chris Carpenter, SP StL

217. Jed Lowrie, 3B/SS Bos

240. Hank Blalock, 3B/1B Tex

241. Jair Jurrjens, SP Atl

264. Brad Penny, SP Bos

265. Denard Span, OF Min - Has been Cut, picked up Paul Maholm, SP Pit

288. Travis Snider, OF Tor

289. Nomar Garciaparra, SS(3b/1B) Oak
Flushgarden
QUOTE (AdamDarv @ Wednesday, March 25th, 2009, 4:23 PM) *
My team listed below, playing in TB17's 5 x 5 league, H2H. As with most fantasy baseball drafts I usually avoid starting pitchers until the latter rounds, instead focusing on hitting and closers. I also look to draft players with higher upside whcih usually means guys 27 years old and younger. Starting pitchers vary so much from year to year that you can usually find some decent waiver wire pickups throughout the season or trade excess closers/batters for them.


C Victor Martinez, Cle C
1B Justin Morneau, Min 1B
2B Brian Roberts, Bal 2B
3B Evan Longoria, TB 3B
SS Jimmy Rollins, Phi SS
2B/SS Stephen Drew, Ari SS
1B/3B Chris Davis, Tex 1B, 3B
OF Curtis Granderson, Det OF
OF Jay Bruce, Cin OF
OF Chris Young, Ari OF
OF Elijah Dukes, Was OF
OF Chase Headley, SD OF
UTIL Mike Jacobs, KC 1B
Bench Billy Butler, KC 1B, DH
Bench Daniel Murphy, NYM OF
P Kerry Wood, Cle RP
P Bobby Jenks, CWS RP
P Chad Qualls, Ari RP
P Heath Bell, SD RP
P Matt Lindstrom, Fla RP DTD
P Joey Devine, Oak RP DTD
P Johnny Cueto, Cin SP
P Armando Galarraga, Det SP
P Mark Lowe, Sea RP
Bench Manny Parra, Mil SP, RP


I'm not sure I like your strategy of going after a ton of closers, since its such a volatile position...there aren't many closers who have their jobs locked down.
SBriand
QUOTE (Snamuh @ Wednesday, March 25th, 2009, 6:23 PM) *
I'd go Sizemore, then Braun. If Cabrera were available, I'd take him over all of those. After Braun, I'd take Teixiera. Hamilton I'd take around the end of the first round. I'd pass on Howard entirely and probably not even take him top 16.

Edit: Utley and Rollins belong in the mid to late first round as well.

this was the 1st round

1. Hanley Ramírez uncle cracke...
2. Albert Pujols The Phantoms
3. José Reyes Miguelter Sk...
4. David Wright Laundryroom ...
5. Miguel Cabrera Marzipans
6. Ryan Howard Fearsome Bea...
7. Ryan Braun Oy my aching...
8. Grady Sizemore Ornery Otters
9. Jimmy Rollins Jason Smells
10. Josh Hamilton Rounders on ...
runthemover
haven't done a baseball fantasy league in quite a while but did one today at work. we only did 9 rounds (out of 25 (yikes)) so we have our work cut out for us next week. 14 teams.

my picks: (1-3 in order, rest not sure but generally right). I picked 3rd and 26th then 8th and 21st then 13th and 16th. repeat.

Jose Reyes ss
Jon Lester sp
Carlos Beltran of
Chien-Ming Wang sp
Joe Mauer c
Chipper Jones 3b
Brian Wilson rp
Jon Garland sp
Jose Lopez 2b

scoring by the week in Points which are

Scoring for Batting Categories
1B - Singles 1 point
2B - Doubles 2 points
3B - Triples 3 points
BB - Walks (Batters) 1 point
CS - Caught Stealing -1 point
CYC - Hitting for the Cycle 5 points
HP - Hit by Pitch 1 point
HR - Home Runs 4 points
KO - Strikeouts (Batter) -0.5 points
R - Runs 1 point
RBI - Runs Batted In 1 point
SB - Stolen Bases 2 points


Scoring for Pitching Categories
BBI - Walks Issued (Pitchers) -0.5 points
BS - Blown Saves -2 points
CG - Complete Games 5 points
ER - Earned Runs -1 point
HA - Hits Allowed -0.5 points
HB - Hit Batsmen -0.5 points
INN - Innings 2.5 points
K - Strikeouts (Pitcher) .5 points
L - Losses -3 points
NH - No-Hitters 5 points
S - Saves 8 points
SO - Shutouts 3 points
W - Wins 10 points


Rosters Lock on Mondays for the week. We can start 1 at each of the 8 positions plus a util. then 7 pitchers. 2 relief + 5 starters or 1 relief + 6 starters


I guess it's all about getting double starts for your SP so I need to get more pitching but my position players are quite strong, I think. you tell me.
TB17
QUOTE (runthemover @ Thursday, March 26th, 2009, 6:03 PM) *
haven't done a baseball fantasy league in quite a while but did one today at work. we only did 9 rounds (out of 25 (yikes)) so we have our work cut out for us next week. 14 teams.

my picks: (1-3 in order, rest not sure but generally right). I picked 3rd and 26th then 8th and 21st then 13th and 16th. repeat.

Jose Reyes ss
Jon Lester sp
Carlos Beltran of
Chien-Ming Wang sp
Joe Mauer c
Chipper Jones 3b
Brian Wilson rp
Jon Garland sp
Jose Lopez 2b



Rosters Lock on Mondays for the week. We can start 1 at each of the 8 positions plus a util. then 7 pitchers. 2 relief + 5 starters or 1 relief + 6 starters


I guess it's all about getting double starts for your SP so I need to get more pitching but my position players are quite strong, I think. you tell me.


I honestly dont get the bolded. And why on earth would you draft Mauer? Hes injured for like 2 months.
Moneyball16
I havent done any real analysis on your leagues scoring, but I cant imagine taking Wang or Garland in the top 100 or so of any draft.

Same goes with Wilson or Lopez. Lopez has to be one of the most overrated fantasy players out there. Kelly Johnson is pretty much superior in every way imo and will go probably 5 rounds later.

Im not sure about your actual order outside of Reyes at 3 so I cant comment on the others.
runthemover
I thought it was only a few weeks but I guess my info was old. oopsie. but I can still pick up a crappy catcher in a late round and be on par with 50% of the league in that position until he comes back and then I'll be tops in that spot)

as to the bolded,

1st +2nd round: 3rd and 26th

3rd + 4th round:8th and 21st

5th + 6th round: 13th and 16th

repeat




I haven't followed baseball closely in a while so I was following projections by league scoring but in general for fantasy it's not always about getting the best players but making sure you don't get the worst players at a position. this is why good SS, 3B, 2B and C are way more vaulable than 1B and OF (yes. very obvious). this was my strategy / reasoning. maybe I took it too far but hard to say since I'm not as familiar with the players as I am in hockey or football.
TB17
I don't understand how that kind of draft works.
runthemover
It's like a regular snake draft but there's different snake orders after two rounds


In a 10 team league, if you pick 1st and 20th in rounds 1 and 2, you will NOT pick 21st and 40th. The rounds 3 and 4 are randomly assigned snaked again. You might pick 8th and 13th (28th and 33rd overall). New snake order happens in rounds 5 and 6.


7th and 8th rounds go back to the round 1 and 2 order
TB17
that sounds ridiculous.

but yea, your teams kinda weak so far. Even for a 14 teamer you should have better pitchers. And you only have one OF too.
gobears
Standard 5x5 Mixed Dynasty League with 8 teams - live auction draft.

C Jorge Posada
C Mike Napoli
1B Joey Votto
2B Ian Kinsler
SS Troy Tulowitzki
3B David Wright
MI Derek Jeter
CI Chipper Jones
OF Ryan Braun
OF Jay Bruce
OF Vladmir Guerrero
OF Shane Victorino
OF Jacob Ellsbury
U Nelson Cruz

SP Jake Peavy
SP Francisco Liriano
SP Cole Hamels
SP Rich Harden
RP Brian Fuentes
RP Matt Capps
RP Frank Francisco
SP/RP Matt Lindstrom
SP/RP Erik Bedard

Bench Garret Atkins
Bench Chris Young (OF)
Bench Kevin Gregg
Bench Rickie Weeks
Bench Chris Carpenter
Bench David Price
Bench Steve Strasburg
Moneyball16
Post auction values for your players and what are you dynasty rules?
TheCinciKid
QUOTE (runthemover @ Thursday, March 26th, 2009, 7:03 PM) *
haven't done a baseball fantasy league in quite a while but did one today at work. we only did 9 rounds (out of 25 (yikes)) so we have our work cut out for us next week. 14 teams.

my picks: (1-3 in order, rest not sure but generally right). I picked 3rd and 26th then 8th and 21st then 13th and 16th. repeat.

Jose Reyes ss
Jon Lester sp
Carlos Beltran of
Chien-Ming Wang sp
Joe Mauer c
Chipper Jones 3b
Brian Wilson rp
Jon Garland sp
Jose Lopez 2b


Frankly, this team is awful so far. Reyes was an okay pick at 3 depending on who went one and two and Beltran is a decent pick, but the rest of these seem pretty terrible for the most part. The thing that stands out the most for me is that you reached for mediocre SPs way too early. Lester and Wang had no business being drafted where you picked them, same with Garland really same with Brian Wilson.

Also, you and your friends are wayyyy over complicating fantasy baseball. Your draft set up is frankly insane. Outside of like round one or two, it really doesn't matter where you drafting. Just set up a standard snake draft and be done with it. I've drafted good teams from virtually every position in a draft. I didn't really look at your categories in depth, but I'm sure you've got too many.
gobears
QUOTE (Moneyball16 @ Friday, March 27th, 2009, 10:46 PM) *
Post auction values for your players and what are you dynasty rules?


Every year that you keep a player will add $5 more to his salary in the following year. So if I kept Posada for next year, he'd cost me $11. $300 salary cap total per year (fixed).

C Jorge Posada $6
C Mike Napoli $3
1B Joey Votto $11
2B Ian Kinsler $19
SS Troy Tulowitzki $11
3B David Wright $26
MI Derek Jeter $6
CI Chipper Jones $4
OF Ryan Braun $11
OF Jay Bruce $16
OF Vladmir Guerrero $16
OF Shane Victorino $10
OF Jacob Ellsbury $9
U Nelson Cruz $8

SP Jake Peavy $19
SP Francisco Liriano $17
SP Cole Hamels $16
SP Rich Harden $8
RP Brian Fuentes $6
RP Matt Capps $11
RP Frank Francisco $6
SP/RP Matt Lindstrom $6
SP/RP Erik Bedard $5

Bench Garret Atkins $10
Bench Chris Young (OF) $5
Bench Kevin Gregg $3
Bench Rickie Weeks $1
Bench Chris Carpenter $6
Bench David Price $6
Bench Steve Strasburg $7
Moneyball16
This isnt the first year is it? If not who were your keepers?
gobears
QUOTE (Moneyball16 @ Friday, March 27th, 2009, 11:05 PM) *
This isnt the first year is it? If not who were your keepers?


This is the 19th year of the league.

My keepers were Votto, Kinsler, Wright, Tulowitzki, Braun, Bruce, Ellsbury, Carpenter, Harden, Hamels, Fuentes, Capps, Francisco, Lindstrom, and Price
cujo33
Have a question for my team. My first base position is filled with Mike Jacobs, and Casey Kotchman. This team needs a RP and has offered me Derrek Lee for my RP BJ Ryan. Good trade?

Moneyball16
Nice Team especially getting Napoli, Chipper and Weeks. I wouldn't have kept Carpenter though. And for this years auction I wouldn't have went that high for Posada. Also not sure about Strasburgh at 7, seems pretty high for someone who will eat a bench spot for 7 this year and probably 12 for the next and I'm not sure if I would go with that many mediocre relievers for those prices.
Moneyball16
QUOTE (cujo33 @ Saturday, March 28th, 2009, 12:24 AM) *
Have a question for my team. My first base position is filled with Mike Jacobs, and Casey Kotchman. This team needs a RP and has offered me Derrek Lee for my RP BJ Ryan. Good trade? If I did trade BJ Ryan these are the RP's on the waiver wire, who do you like?

Your first basemen are trash. Make the trade and drop both those guys. Also don't feel like you have to add a reliever just because your losing one with Ryan.
runthemover
QUOTE (TheCinciKid @ Friday, March 27th, 2009, 10:50 PM) *
Frankly, this team is awful so far. Reyes was an okay pick at 3 depending on who went one and two and Beltran is a decent pick, but the rest of these seem pretty terrible for the most part. The thing that stands out the most for me is that you reached for mediocre SPs way too early. Lester and Wang had no business being drafted where you picked them, same with Garland really same with Brian Wilson.

Also, you and your friends are wayyyy over complicating fantasy baseball. Your draft set up is frankly insane. Outside of like round one or two, it really doesn't matter where you drafting. Just set up a standard snake draft and be done with it. I've drafted good teams from virtually every position in a draft. I didn't really look at your categories in depth, but I'm sure you've got too many.



I'm not trying to be all contrary when I asked for opinions but [sawyer paraphrase]you're just reacting. you didn't think. and how'd that turn out? people died[/sawyer paraphrase]. Our categories are definitely different from standard and I haven't done a league in a few years but I know strategy. I went to yahoo and looked at their rankings and guess who's right up there? yep mr. reyes. calling him an "OK" pick seems quite silly to me and makes me skeptical of your whole post. would you rather have a top SS or a top 1B? I'd go with the SS because the 14th best 1B is going to be worlds better than the 14th best SS. If I have better players at the weaker positions then I'm boosting my overall potential. that's just basic fantasy baseball which has served me well in the past. somehow I don't think that's changed. fyi, the top two picks were Hanley and Lincecum in that order. I'd call Lin an "okay" pick.

I have to say, it was quite dumb of me to make my original post in here since the rules were obviously quite different from standard leagues. Also without you knowing who was drafted where and how the rules affect points, it's unfair of me to comment on your comments. BUT, lester was a top 15 pitcher (includes RP) in points last year for this format. So, he's definitely a good top SP in this league.


One thing I have to say is I'm sorry that our league doesn't fit your preferences. btw, it's not my league so I wasn't the one setting up the rules but calling it overcomplicated is quite the exaggeration (it definitely evens out the draft). If you're going to give an opinion on it then you could at least figure out what's going on in the league or your post becomes useless and is a waste of time for everyone. but it was dumb of me to post it here anyway so we'll call it even. thanks for the post.
Snamuh
QUOTE (runthemover @ Saturday, March 28th, 2009, 11:43 AM) *
I'm not trying to be all contrary when I asked for opinions but [sawyer paraphrase]you're just reacting. you didn't think. and how'd that turn out? people died[/sawyer paraphrase]. Our categories are definitely different from standard and I haven't done a league in a few years but I know strategy. I went to yahoo and looked at their rankings and guess who's right up there? yep mr. reyes. calling him an "OK" pick seems quite silly to me and makes me skeptical of your whole post. would you rather have a top SS or a top 1B? I'd go with the SS because the 14th best 1B is going to be worlds better than the 14th best SS. If I have better players at the weaker positions then I'm boosting my overall potential. that's just basic fantasy baseball which has served me well in the past. somehow I don't think that's changed. fyi, the top two picks were Hanley and Lincecum in that order. I'd call Lin an "okay" pick.

I have to say, it was quite dumb of me to make my original post in here since the rules were obviously quite different from standard leagues. Also without you knowing who was drafted where and how the rules affect points, it's unfair of me to comment on your comments. BUT, lester was a top 15 pitcher (includes RP) in points last year for this format. So, he's definitely a good top SP in this league.


One thing I have to say is I'm sorry that our league doesn't fit your preferences. btw, it's not my league so I wasn't the one setting up the rules but calling it overcomplicated is quite the exaggeration (it definitely evens out the draft). If you're going to give an opinion on it then you could at least figure out what's going on in the league or your post becomes useless and is a waste of time for everyone. but it was dumb of me to post it here anyway so we'll call it even. thanks for the post.


Lincecum at two would seem like a terrible pick. Most probably wouldn't take him top 15 and I wouldn't take him in the first 2 rounds. Reyes would normally be OK at 3, except you passed on Pujols to take him, which I'm not a fan of. Regardless, it's still an "acceptable" pick. Lester in round 2 and Wang in round 4 are pretty bad, it would seem.

What are the rules regarding pitching? Unless it's ridiculously weighted towards starting pitching, I just can't see the Lincecum pick being good.
runthemover
QUOTE (Snamuh @ Sunday, March 29th, 2009, 1:46 AM) *
Lincecum at two would seem like a terrible pick. Most probably wouldn't take him top 15 and I wouldn't take him in the first 2 rounds. Reyes would normally be OK at 3, except you passed on Pujols to take him, which I'm not a fan of. Regardless, it's still an "acceptable" pick. Lester in round 2 and Wang in round 4 are pretty bad, it would seem.


you're totally ignoring everything I said and just rehashing what what's his face said. I don't feel like re-typing what I said so go re-read my post(s)


QUOTE (Snamuh @ Sunday, March 29th, 2009, 1:46 AM) *
What are the rules regarding pitching?


everything has been listed in my first post in the thread. SP are favoured because there's 14 teams and since there's Monday roster locks, it's important to get many pitchers so you have 2 starts in a week.



no need to respond. there's no point.
GeneralGeeWhiz
AVG
C
Pablo Sandoval
(SF - C,1B,3B)
53% -/- - - - - -
1B
Adam Dunn
(Was - 1B,OF)
88% -/- - - - - -
2B
Mark DeRosa
(Cle - 2B,3B,OF)
73% -/- - - - - -
3B
Álex Rodríguez
(NYY - 3B)
51% -/- - - - - -
SS
Rafael Furcal
(LAD - SS)
92% -/- - - - - -
IF
Ryan Theriot
(ChC - SS)
34% -/- - - - - -
OF
Grady Sizemore
(Cle - OF)
97% -/- - - - - -
OF
Matt Holliday
(Oak - OF)
95% -/- - - - - -
OF
Chris Young
(Ari - OF)
55% -/- - - - - -
Util
Bengie Molina
(SF - C)
73% -/- - - - - -
Util
Khalil Greene
(StL - SS)
22% -/- - - - - -
BN
Rick Ankiel
(StL - OF)
28% -/- - - - - -
BN
Mark Reynolds
(Ari - 3B)
29% -/- - - - - -
BN
Hank Blalock
(Tex - 1B,3B)
15% -/- - - - - -
BN
Eric Byrnes
(Ari - OF)
4% -/- - - - - -
BN
Mark Ellis
(Oak - 2B)
3% -/- - - - - -
BN
Fred Lewis
(SF - OF)
5% -/- - - - - -
BN
Yadier Molina
(StL - C)
15% -/- - - - - -
BN
Carlos Gómez
(Min - OF)
11% -/- - - - - -

SP
CC Sabathia
(NYY - SP)
97% - - - - - -
SP
Jake Peavy
(SD - SP)
96% - - - - - -
SP
Dan Haren
(Ari - SP)
95% - - - - - -
RP
Francisco Rodríguez
(NYM - RP)
97% - - - - - -
RP
Carlos Mármol
(ChC - RP)
88% - - - - - -
P
Edinson Vólquez
(Cin - SP)
89% - - - - - -
P
Carlos Zambrano
(ChC - SP)
89% - - - - - -
P
Brian Wilson
(SF - RP)
85% - - - - - -
BN
Troy Percival
(TB - RP)
57% - - - - - -


I like my team. smile.gif Sandoval probably wont be the starting catcher. Depends on how Yadier and Bengie look.
Moneyball16
Sick pitching staff and outfield.
TheCinciKid
QUOTE (runthemover @ Saturday, March 28th, 2009, 8:43 AM) *
I'm not trying to be all contrary when I asked for opinions but [sawyer paraphrase]you're just reacting. you didn't think. and how'd that turn out? people died[/sawyer paraphrase]. Our categories are definitely different from standard and I haven't done a league in a few years but I know strategy. I went to yahoo and looked at their rankings and guess who's right up there? yep mr. reyes. calling him an "OK" pick seems quite silly to me and makes me skeptical of your whole post. would you rather have a top SS or a top 1B? I'd go with the SS because the 14th best 1B is going to be worlds better than the 14th best SS. If I have better players at the weaker positions then I'm boosting my overall potential. that's just basic fantasy baseball which has served me well in the past. somehow I don't think that's changed. fyi, the top two picks were Hanley and Lincecum in that order. I'd call Lin an "okay" pick.

I have to say, it was quite dumb of me to make my original post in here since the rules were obviously quite different from standard leagues. Also without you knowing who was drafted where and how the rules affect points, it's unfair of me to comment on your comments. BUT, lester was a top 15 pitcher (includes RP) in points last year for this format. So, he's definitely a good top SP in this league.


One thing I have to say is I'm sorry that our league doesn't fit your preferences. btw, it's not my league so I wasn't the one setting up the rules but calling it overcomplicated is quite the exaggeration (it definitely evens out the draft). If you're going to give an opinion on it then you could at least figure out what's going on in the league or your post becomes useless and is a waste of time for everyone. but it was dumb of me to post it here anyway so we'll call it even. thanks for the post.


I have some biases. I personally prefer to draft power guys in the early rounds over speed guys. I tend to feel like I can get speed cheaper later in the draft. So, I will probably never own a guy like Jose Reyes b/c I don't want to pick him in the first round. That said, I said he was an okay pick because that's exactly what he was, without knowing who went one and two, he may well have been the best player on the board in which case, he was a good pick. You know what, I'll change that...he WAS a good pick, not just an okay pick. Really, in the first round...as long as you're going off of the top 10 list, there generally aren't any outstanding picks and there generally aren't any bad picks. Though I would submit that Lincecum at 2 is a bad pick. In your spot, I'd have probably taken Pujols, but that's just personal preference, Reyes is perfectly fine there. At any rate, I wasn't criticizing that pick again, IMO as long as you're taking a hitter that's ranked in the top 10, you can't really go wrong in the first round and you did shore up a relatively weak overall position by taking Reyes there.

My big probably is with drafting pitching in earlier rounds. Pitching in fantasy baseball tends to be much easier to pick up in the later rounds of a draft or on the waiver wire than hitting is. Therefore, in most drafts, I have a complete infield and at least a couple of solid outfielders before I ever draft a pitcher. My first pitcher usually doesn't get drafted until at the least the 10th round. So, I really felt like your reached for guys like Lester and Wang (who I really don't like in fantasy) and Garland (who I also don't like in fantasy). As it turns out, Jon Lester put up better numbers last year than I've been giving him credit for. I don't value pitching very highly so I tend to stay away from guys like Lester. I guess that pick may have been okay, but personally I still don't really like taking a pitcher in the 2nd round and there must have been a real run on pitchers if Jon Lester was the best available in that spot. I mean, you said he was top 15 your format, but that means there were still a minimum of 10 guys definitely better than him.

Also, I took a look at your format and it's much different from standard fantasy baseball. It's almost like trying to play Fantasy Football with baseball players. I'm guessing it's H2H and the rosters locking on Mondays certainly throws a monkey wrench in things (personally I would hate that b/c a lot of the fun for me is the day to day transactions and lineup changes, but I digress). I'm curious if there is an innings minimum for your pitchings stats to count because at first glance it seems like pitchers have a much better chance of getting you negative points than positive points. Which to me, means that you'd want to try to get your hands on like 3 or 4 elite pitchers and play no one else (then again, the best way to get points is IP, so I dunno, maybe you could just run as many pitchers out there as you can and hope that some of the other stats fall into place. Anyway, it's actually kind of an interesting format and I think you'd have to play a couple of weeks under it to get a feel for strategy.

Final note, I really do think I would have taken Pujols over Jose Reyes because of the way your league counts stats. HRs are twice as valuable as steals and that's really the big tradeoff b/w Reyes and Pujols, plus Pujols scores runs, drives them in and never strikes out, whereas Reyes doesn't get many RBI and had more K's last season. But, all of that is water under the bridge for you. In your league, I would draft power guys who hit a lot of doubles and HRs and try to get guys who score and drive in runs. I'd be cognizant of K's b/c they can hurt you, but also cognizant of OBP, b/c it's going to be a better indicator than AVG of who's going to help you the most in your format.

I'm now up way later than I'd planned to be tonight because I wrote all that. Sorry I came off like a dick in my earlier post. I still think your draft set up is silly, but it's not like you can change that. Your point system is unique and while I'm not necessarily a huge fan, I can embrace the fact that it would require a somewhat altered strategy from a regular draft.

Incidentally where is this league being hosted that allows it to be set up that way?



runthemover
the draft in done live so I don't think that portion of the league can be replicated. the hosting is done via cbs. I've never done a draft like that before but the people who run it are statisticians so it's not for show.


your roster has to be full so you can't start 3 pitchers. You have to start either 5 SP and 2 RP or 6 SP and 1 RP. people that have been in the league for a few years+ told me that generally people pick up a few more pitchers and leave a few everyday positions without backups just so they can guarantee double starts more often.



I think you misunderstood something/I didn't make it clear because HR vs SB or whatever doesn't matter. It's all points. My points > your points and I win the week. Categories are only for designating points. It's football style scoring for the week. TDs. yards. doesn't matter. same here.


to continue with this reyes vs pujols thing, think about it like this. I might be giving up 20 points (based on 2008 points) by not taking Puzols but I'm gaining them elsewhere in the difference from the 1B I will take vs the SS I would have to take.

EG: Carlos Pena 14th ranked 1B had 446 points last year. The 14th best SS had 362 points last year. Only 7 SS had more than 446 points.

So, in Reyes I get a guy who will most likely be a top 5 player and I strengthen my overall position by allowing myself to get a more productive player in the 1B position.


I'm not saying ALL my decisions are gold but that is one I'm very confident was the right one.
TheCinciKid
QUOTE (runthemover @ Tuesday, March 31st, 2009, 7:24 PM) *
the draft in done live so I don't think that portion of the league can be replicated. the hosting is done via cbs. I've never done a draft like that before but the people who run it are statisticians so it's not for show.


your roster has to be full so you can't start 3 pitchers. You have to start either 5 SP and 2 RP or 6 SP and 1 RP. people that have been in the league for a few years+ told me that generally people pick up a few more pitchers and leave a few everyday positions without backups just so they can guarantee double starts more often.



I think you misunderstood something/I didn't make it clear because HR vs SB or whatever doesn't matter. It's all points. My points > your points and I win the week. Categories are only for designating points. It's football style scoring for the week. TDs. yards. doesn't matter. same here.


to continue with this reyes vs pujols thing, think about it like this. I might be giving up 20 points (based on 2008 points) by not taking Puzols but I'm gaining them elsewhere in the difference from the 1B I will take vs the SS I would have to take.

EG: Carlos Pena 14th ranked 1B had 446 points last year. The 14th best SS had 362 points last year. Only 7 SS had more than 446 points.

So, in Reyes I get a guy who will most likely be a top 5 player and I strengthen my overall position by allowing myself to get a more productive player in the 1B position.


I'm not saying ALL my decisions are gold but that is one I'm very confident was the right one.


Haven't read/digested your whole post, but the bolded part jumped out at me. HR vs. SB absolutely DOES matter. HRs are twice as useful as SB in your format since you get 4 points for a HR and 2 for a SB. Not to mention that most HR hitters are going to get more extra base hits than guys like Reyes who get a lot of singles and steal bases.

That said, your position scarcity argument makes some sense. It's hard for me to get a good idea of the values in your particular format without being able to see the total point rankings, but it certainly could be that getting a guy like Reyes is more important than having a guy like Pujols.

Very intriguing and unique format at any rate. Is it something your friends made up, or just how the game is played on CBS?
Moneyball16
I plugged in the values in Baseball Prospectus's PFM and it had Pujols having more points over the season than Reyes, but when you consider the replacement levels of 1B and SS Reyes is more valuable.
cujo33
This may sound like a dumb question but...... I'm in a H2H league and this is my first time playing fantasy baseball. How does the scoring go down, for example my score compared to my opponents score at the moment is 3-4-3 compared to his 4-3-3. What does this mean?
Moneyball16
You get one win for every category you win for the week. So a 3-4-3 record means that you are winning 3 categories, losing 4 and tied for 3.
cujo33
Thanks for the clear-up
3A
This is an NL only keeper league, keep up to 9 players. From the year their drafted you get to keep players for 3 years and before the 3rd year starts you may extend up to 3 more years for $5 per year. Rosters are 23 players C,C,1b,2b,3b,ss,ci,mi,of,of,of,of,of,util and 9 pitchers.

This league has been going for 15+ years and I took over for the last place team, this is my 3rd year now. My Keepers:

Cantu $1 (10')
Reynolds $5 (09')
Theriot $8 (09')
Kemp $16 (11') extended 2 years
Church $8 (09')
Duncan $5 ($9)
Cook $5 (10')
Marshall $5 (10')
Rauch $3 (09')

I considered extending Reynolds also, and I wish I had at this point since I had $8 left over after the draft, but thats whe way it rolls. The draft went as follows:

Hamels $26
Helton $25
A Ramirez $31
Bradley $25
K. Johnson $19
Winn $17
Parra $5
K Matsui $15
Schneider $6
Castro $3
A Miller $11
DeLaRosa $1
R Soriano $11
Ohlendorf $1

Thats pretty much the order I got everyone. Catchers were pretty thin to start so I just decided to handcuff the Mets cacthers and pray for the best. I realize my pitching is very scetchy aside from having Hamels and even he has me scared with injury possiblity. Last year I tried to corner closers and I had 5 to try to trade for value, unfortunately 3 of them got injured 1 traded and turned into the set up man. Valverde would have ended up my loan closer, but he ended up being the one I got to trade off early... so I was frusterated with closers in general so I stayed away from them this year and just hope to pick up vulter saves later and try not to be in the bottom 3 in saves.. good luck me.

My hitting has been lights out so far, out categories are HR, RBI, R, SB, OBP and currently in my 12 team league I'm in 1st, 1st, 5th, 3rd, 1st. And the bad news.

K, ERA, WHIP, W, S 12th,12th,12th,10th,8th. So I got off to a bad start pitching... Cook giving up 4 7 runs or something in 3 innings will do that with no others starters going yet. I do wish I had shelled out for 1 or two better pitching upgrades before all the talent was gone. Also players with upside are there, but not enough. I almost went with Bonifico instead of Helton, but it was so early I wanted to get some proven guys and ended up snagging Ramirez in utility so I had no more room for him. The good news is I can't get much worse in pitching. I might just field these type of pitchers or find guys with less SO's and lower ERA/WHIP just to meet innings qouta then drop them all for middle relievers to try to climb in ERA/WHIP if I can maintain my batting categories.

Surprisingly there were so many studs kept this year for 40+ dollars the top talent wasnt their to draft.

My prospects here for having good keepers is bad. My idea right now is to push well into the all star break and then pick out the "losers" and trade off my stud keepers like Cantu for $1 and Kemp for $16. With the goal of picking up 2 or 3 good players for them to try to win the championship this year and just blow up the team and draft youth next year and try to rebuild.

Any comments or suggestions with the team are welcome. We do live pick up meetings every Monday night, no other pick ups can happen aside from trades. All moves cost $5 for a DL or sending someone to the minors and the new player gets that contract or if you just don't like a player you can drop them and pick up a new player for $10. The buy in for the league is $275, $260 of which is draft salary cap and $15 for live updates on CBSsportsline.com. I think last year 1st place was nearly $1500, and we pay top 5 places. Not sure on the breakdown as I've taken 12th and 8th so far.
TB17
35 HRs in one week in both my leagues, sustainable?
cujo33
Should I be keeping any of these pitchers?

Brandon Webb

Ervin Santana

Joey Devine
gobears
QUOTE (cujo33 @ Monday, April 13th, 2009, 10:21 PM) *
Should I be keeping any of these pitchers?

Brandon Webb

Ervin Santana

Joey Devine


Webb: Keep, he'll be back soon

E. Santana: depends on who's available in your league and how deep your league is. The shallower the league, the more likely you should let him go. He supposedly is due back soon

Devine: Put him on the DL in a keeper league, otherwise if this is just a one year league (no keepers), get rid of him as he won't be much use this year (60 day DL)
wsox8
I give BJ Upton and I get Ichiro. It's a keeper league. Thoughts?
Moneyball16
Id rather have BJ in a keeper.
BigDMcGee
do um.. yeah, do I drop manny in a 10 team mixed league. I have 3 bench spots.
3A
I don't think I would drop him, possibly trade him to another team or just eat the bench spot.
TB17
I wouldnt trade him he has such little value right now, I'd eat the spot and hope he comes back strong
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