HighwayStar
Saturday, May 9th, 2009, 11:00 AM
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Friday, May 8th, 2009, 9:55 PM)

Also, Orura ( SP?) is really, really hot.
She was smokin'. Looked great in the uniform.
I thought the movie itself was kinda...crap.. but great fun.
dreamcaster
Saturday, May 9th, 2009, 3:17 PM
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Saturday, May 9th, 2009, 3:29 AM)

the character of Kirk is more like Han Solo than it is Shatner's kirk, which is not a bad thing by the way. It's a very, very good thing.
this.
Jadaki
Saturday, May 9th, 2009, 7:10 PM
Got to see it this afternoon.
I thought most of the characters were done really well. The only one I didn't like much was Checkov since they spent too much time highlighting his speech issues.
Simon Peg didn't get enough screen time as Scotty. Bones wasn't bad, but wasn't great. Kirk and Spock were both really good. The thing that I got the least was the relationship between Spock and Ohura which seemed a bit out of place.
I didn't mind the time traveling plot, it helps explain that this is an alternate reality with the same people.
runthemover
Saturday, May 9th, 2009, 7:12 PM
Eric Bana was bad. big suprise there.
vbnautilus
Saturday, May 9th, 2009, 7:35 PM
QUOTE (runthemover @ Saturday, May 9th, 2009, 8:12 PM)

Eric Bana was bad. big suprise there.
I thought he was ok until he started talking.
Then he was baaaad.
I like the look of the Romulans.
Fluffdog87
Sunday, May 10th, 2009, 12:38 AM
As a fan of Star Trek this was a really great, faster-paced, new aged Star Trek movie that sets the stage for a lot of different ways to make Star Trek even bigger and better.
gilbertology
Sunday, May 10th, 2009, 3:04 AM
I was never a huge Star Trek fan, I watched the Next Generation tv show and a few of the movies. I went to see this new Star Trek movie with my dad, who is in his mid 50s and was a pretty big original Star Trek fan.
I really enjoyed the movie, despite not knowing all the little intricacies that were placed in the movie that my dad knew. Like Sulu and the fencing/sword references. There were many of these spliced throughout the movie that were meant for the hardcore fans.
I thought the movie was a really well done action movie with great potential for sequels. Also, for those that may not have understood some of the back story on Nero/Spock, such as how Nero obtained the red matter, what the red matter was, and how his ship turned from a simple mining ship to an ultimate destroyer, there is a 4 part comic series that came out recently that is a "prequel" to the movie starring Spock, Piccard, LaForge, Warf, and Data in the future. Having read the comic miniseries I wasn't confused at all about any elements of the plot but I could see how some people might be a little confused without the full backstory. Also, having the original Spock in the movie was necessary and a great decision imo. As soon as he appeared on the screen the entire theater let out a thunderous applause. No one captures the essence of the original series like Spock, and to the old time Trekkies he is like their god.
Anyway, my dad absolutely loved it. He said it was his favorite Star Trek movie and one of his all time favorite movies, right up there with Apollo 13. The producers did an amazing job capturing the spirit of Star Trek and the characters. I'm guessing that almost all Star Trek fans that grew up watching the series will love the movie and probably see it more than once. Even though the movie appeals to a wide audience, the hard core fans who are mostly older are really in for a treat.
Moneyball16
Sunday, May 10th, 2009, 12:51 PM
As someone who had only seen like half of one of the other movies and none of the TV shows I liked the movie quite a bit.
Oziumrules
Sunday, May 10th, 2009, 8:50 PM
BigDMcGee
Sunday, May 10th, 2009, 9:05 PM
QUOTE (gilbertology @ Sunday, May 10th, 2009, 6:04 AM)

I was never a huge Star Trek fan, I watched the Next Generation tv show and a few of the movies. I went to see this new Star Trek movie with my dad, who is in his mid 50s and was a pretty big original Star Trek fan.
I really enjoyed the movie, despite not knowing all the little intricacies that were placed in the movie that my dad knew. Like Sulu and the fencing/sword references. There were many of these spliced throughout the movie that were meant for the hardcore fans.
I thought the movie was a really well done action movie with great potential for sequels. Also, for those that may not have understood some of the back story on Nero/Spock, such as how Nero obtained the red matter, what the red matter was, and how his ship turned from a simple mining ship to an ultimate destroyer, there is a 4 part comic series that came out recently that is a "prequel" to the movie starring Spock, Piccard, LaForge, Warf, and Data in the future. Having read the comic miniseries I wasn't confused at all about any elements of the plot but I could see how some people might be a little confused without the full backstory. Also, having the original Spock in the movie was necessary and a great decision imo. As soon as he appeared on the screen the entire theater let out a thunderous applause. No one captures the essence of the original series like Spock, and to the old time Trekkies he is like their god.
Anyway, my dad absolutely loved it. He said it was his favorite Star Trek movie and one of his all time favorite movies, right up there with Apollo 13. The producers did an amazing job capturing the spirit of Star Trek and the characters. I'm guessing that almost all Star Trek fans that grew up watching the series will love the movie and probably see it more than once. Even though the movie appeals to a wide audience, the hard core fans who are mostly older are really in for a treat.
1) having to read a comic book back story to understand what's going on in a movie is not good cinematic story telling
2) Having spock in this movie is not necessary at all. It was pandering to fans. Nemoy was profoundly terrible in this movie. The hard core star trek geeks were probably ecstatic to see him, but having a deus ex machina is bad story telling any time, and having it be an 80 year old who can barely deliver his lines is even worse. You don't need Nemoy to capture the essense of the old series. You do that with story telling.
3) what would have captured the essence of the original series better than a gimmick spock would be telling a socially relevant, modern story rooted in hard science, not a shallow pandering "continuity " focused storyline based in pseudo science.
brvheart
Sunday, May 10th, 2009, 9:59 PM
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Monday, May 11th, 2009, 12:05 AM)

1) having to read a comic book back story to understand what's going on in a movie is not good cinematic story telling
2) Having spock in this movie is not necessary at all. It was pandering to fans. Nemoy was profoundly terrible in this movie. The hard core star trek geeks were probably ecstatic to see him, but having a deus ex machina is bad story telling any time, and having it be an 80 year old who can barely deliver his lines is even worse. You don't need Nemoy to capture the essense of the old series. You do that with story telling.
3) what would have captured the essence of the original series better than a gimmick spock would be telling a socially relevant, modern story rooted in hard science, not a shallow pandering "continuity " focused storyline based in pseudo science.
This sounds plagiarized from Ebert's review. He gave it a thumbs down.
IQCrash
Monday, May 11th, 2009, 2:29 AM
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Sunday, May 10th, 2009, 10:05 PM)

1) having to read a comic book back story to understand what's going on in a movie is not good cinematic story telling
2) Having spock in this movie is not necessary at all. It was pandering to fans. Nemoy was profoundly terrible in this movie. The hard core star trek geeks were probably ecstatic to see him, but having a deus ex machina is bad story telling any time, and having it be an 80 year old who can barely deliver his lines is even worse. You don't need Nemoy to capture the essense of the old series. You do that with story telling.
3) what would have captured the essence of the original series better than a gimmick spock would be telling a socially relevant, modern story rooted in hard science, not a shallow pandering "continuity " focused storyline based in pseudo science.
Stop being a fag, the movie was awesome.
Never having been a fan of the original series, having never seen any of the older movies, and only enjoying the occasional TNG episode while growing up - this movie was a fantastic reboot of the franchise.
It stood really well on its own and made just enough reference to things that casual and hard core fans alike would appreciate ("Dammit man, I'm just a doctor!") without being too dependent on its predecessors.
I look forward to the next installment.
Jadaki
Monday, May 11th, 2009, 8:34 AM
CountdownLink containing some information about the prequel comic stories that give background to Nero and tie in ST:TNG timelines.
Mercury69
Monday, May 11th, 2009, 8:57 AM
My bro-in-law is a comic book geek and very, very picky about this kind of stuff and he gave Star Trek a 9.5 out of 10, citing 4 very minor "flaws". Also, the Onion gives it a B+. Based on those two review alone, I would say this is likely the next movie I will see.
The naysayers can go lick a dick.
Jadaki
Monday, May 11th, 2009, 9:12 AM
I've seen a few nitpicks about the film, the three that are somewhat legit are...
1. Red Matter: if it only takes a drop to create a singularity then wtf was Spock rolling around with the huge bubble for. And why didn't that huge amount cause a bigger event than a single drop did previously?
2. The Mining beam: how come it took Spock to go shoot it down on his little ship instead of someone on Vulcan or Earth doing this previously? Granted we get the defense grids for each planet were shut down, but how come no one tried to fly up and shoot it down. A two minute scene of the ship defending the mining beam takes care of this.
3. Chance meeting: Kirk getting kicked off the enterprise to find alternate time line old Spock and Scotty on Hoth was a little cheesy
The ones that are being complained about but not really having any merit...
1. Nero's Ship: It's a mining ship... so how does it destroy all these other ships that are built for combat? Answer: The explanation is in the prequel comics, it's a vessel from 130 years in the future, and has been retrofitted with Romulan war tech that was based off the Borg.
2. Time Travel: It's always been a part of the ST universe, and people are whining over the destruction of Vulcan. It's clearly explained in the movie that this is an alternate universe where what you know from the original series/TNG/DS9 etc doesn't exactly apply. So complaining that "how can this be when there was a episode where Spock hung out with his mom and blah blah blah" means nothing. It's an alternate reality, which allows them to reboot the series and do whatever they want with it.
David_Nicoson
Monday, May 11th, 2009, 11:50 AM
I enjoyed the introductory parts with Spock immensely. Particularly when he gives the Vulcans the finger without showing any emotion. That was very satisfying.
I hated the scene when Kirk goads him.
Why the **** is Kirk captain now? The music stopped and he's in the seat? Why do any of these characters think this is a good idea? Did we really need to see Spock lose control emotionally again?
Isn't building the Enterprise on Earth kind of like building a boat in the basement? How's that going to work?
It was fun though, and I recommend it.
Piddle Duck
Monday, May 11th, 2009, 11:58 AM
I hate Star Trek.
Despise it.
Wife was a DS9 and THG fan and made me go see it.
Loved it.
It was entertaining. Lots of space porn, no big lulls to make you lose interest.
I don't care to nitpick a sci-fi action flick. If it's not based on a true story then anything pretty much goes in my opinion. Fantasy is just that fantasy and there are no "rules."
Fromt the above post, and I don't see how this can be a spoiler since it is seen on the trailers....
Isn't building the Enterprise on Earth kind of like building a boat in the basement? How's that going to work?
I don't get it? Did you think the Enterprise was bigger than earth?
Jadaki
Monday, May 11th, 2009, 12:05 PM
QUOTE (Piddle Duck @ Monday, May 11th, 2009, 2:58 PM)

I don't get it? Did you think the Enterprise was bigger than earth?
No, he means that every time we have seen them building a spaceship throughout the history of ST, it's been getting constructed in space.
Piddle Duck
Monday, May 11th, 2009, 12:11 PM
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Monday, May 11th, 2009, 4:05 PM)

No, he means that every time we have seen them building a spaceship throughout the history of ST, it's been getting constructed in space.
Oh I took his analogy a different direction I guess. nevermind
David_Nicoson
Monday, May 11th, 2009, 12:44 PM
QUOTE (Piddle Duck @ Monday, May 11th, 2009, 3:58 PM)

I don't get it? Did you think the Enterprise was bigger than earth?
I don't think the star ships can actually take off from the ground and fly through the atmosphere by tradition. It's not something I can visualize, at any rate. Hey, people can jump down from space in a suit and not burn up so I guess the necessary thermal shielding is pretty trivial. I dunno. It just looked wrong to me.
gilbertology
Monday, May 11th, 2009, 2:12 PM
From everything I've read and heard, almost every original trekkie(I doubt any post on this forum) that were hippies growing up in the 60s absolutely love this film. I am guessing they will keep seeing this movie and after all the money it made the first week, it will not fall off drastically the following week like Wolverine did. I'm guessing Star Trek pulls in at least another $30 million next week.
Also, I think the movie definitely accomplished one of it's main goals - appeasing the original fans while bringing in new fans to the franchise. They made a movie that everyone can find exciting, entertaining, and just downright awesome. There are some people who don't like the movie but they are heavily outweighed by the people who loved it.
CobaltBlue
Monday, May 11th, 2009, 2:59 PM
QUOTE (David_Nicoson @ Monday, May 11th, 2009, 2:50 PM)

Isn't building the Enterprise on Earth kind of like building a boat in the basement? How's that going to work?
Maybe they just built pieces of it? Or "towed" it into space?
SBriand
Monday, May 11th, 2009, 4:20 PM
Well, this movie is before everything else. In first contact they went back to when the first warp drive was being put in a space ship and that was all done on earth.
BigDMcGee
Monday, May 11th, 2009, 5:15 PM
QUOTE (brvheart @ Monday, May 11th, 2009, 12:59 AM)

This sounds plagiarized from Ebert's review. He gave it a thumbs down.
I haven't read the review, but it doesn't surprise me. Ebert is awesome and so am I.
For the record, My issue isn't a "nit pick". It's a fundemental issue with the basis and structure of the plot, that's not a minor thing. I did enjoy the movie, over all, and I thought that new Kirk and Spock were excellent. but to say this movie is 9.5 out of 10 is patently absurd.
SuitedAces21
Sunday, May 17th, 2009, 3:31 PM
my only serious complaint was the camera work / edititing. i'm home now and still feel like i'm going to puke.
speedz99
Tuesday, May 19th, 2009, 7:21 AM
I got a little drunk and a little high before seeing it, which was a good idea...although the previews really freaked me out. I had to turn to my one sober friend and make sure that the previews were extremely odd, or if I was just fucked up. Damn you, Tim Burton.
I liked the movie a lot, didn't love it. My two big issues were:
1. The chance meeting with Old Spock and Scotty on the ice planet. I don't even buy the fact that Young Spock would send Kirk down to a planet when the ship would obviously have a brig. Running directly into Old Spock's cave, of all places on a large planet, is just ridiculous.
2. Nemoy's part was cheesy and unnecessary. It seemed like he was only there just in case traditional trekkies needed a reason to go see the movie.
To sum up the movie I'll quote my roomate. "That sure was a lot of cliffhangers. Literally. There was a lot of people hanging over edges of cliffs."
JubilantLankyLad
Tuesday, May 19th, 2009, 8:59 AM
I thought it was okay, except for the print breaking when Kirk met Uhura in the bar. 20 minutes later the lights dimmed again, and Kirk was chatting with Pike with his face all cut up. What did I miss?
Stupid budget movie theatre.
speedz99
Tuesday, May 19th, 2009, 11:07 AM
QUOTE (JubilantLankyLad @ Tuesday, May 19th, 2009, 9:59 AM)

I thought it was okay, except for the print breaking when Kirk met Uhura in the bar. 20 minutes later the lights dimmed again, and Kirk was chatting with Pike with his face all cut up. What did I miss?
Stupid budget movie theatre.
Kirk got in a fight with Uhura's federation buddies.
GeneralGeeWhiz
Sunday, May 24th, 2009, 6:50 PM
Finally saw it yesterday. I loved it and the main reason was each character was cast perfectly. They had the original attitudes down near perfect and each actor added their own little twist. Not to mention the CG was incredible. Overall a great movie that has re sparked my interest in Star Trek.
donk4life
Monday, May 25th, 2009, 5:38 AM
In the original Star Trek series, the show would always have 3-4 characters to waste. They were meaningless, they were going to die, it was just a matter of time. I wish they did this in this movie. It's fun knowing when someone is going to die, it's just a matter of how. I guess that crazy daredevil guy with the charges could count as that.
hank213
Monday, May 25th, 2009, 8:01 AM
QUOTE (donk4life @ Monday, May 25th, 2009, 7:38 AM)

In the original Star Trek series, the show would always have 3-4 characters to waste. They were meaningless, they were going to die, it was just a matter of time. I wish they did this in this movie. It's fun knowing when someone is going to die, it's just a matter of how. I guess that crazy daredevil guy with the charges could count as that.
Knew he was a goner as soon as I saw the red suit.
LJB723
Monday, May 25th, 2009, 9:20 AM
QUOTE (hank213 @ Monday, May 25th, 2009, 5:01 PM)

Knew he was a goner as soon as I saw the red suit.
Lol. I loved that touch. I leaned over to my gf and said "bet he dies" She said, "Why? Have you already seen this?"
speedz99
Monday, May 25th, 2009, 10:02 AM
Why red? I mean, I knew he was going to die too, but what did the color have to do with it?
Yoda
Monday, May 25th, 2009, 10:05 AM
QUOTE (speedz99 @ Monday, May 25th, 2009, 2:02 PM)

Why red? I mean, I knew he was going to die too, but what did the color have to do with it?
It's an old star trek cliche.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirt_(character)
LJB723
Monday, May 25th, 2009, 12:55 PM
QUOTE (Yoda @ Monday, May 25th, 2009, 7:05 PM)

That is ripe for parody!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWogTTQJRmE
Mercury69
Monday, May 25th, 2009, 1:05 PM
"Aw, crap"
CobaltBlue
Monday, May 25th, 2009, 2:31 PM
QUOTE (donk4life @ Monday, May 25th, 2009, 8:38 AM)

In the original Star Trek series, the show would always have 3-4 characters to waste. They were meaningless, they were going to die, it was just a matter of time. I wish they did this in this movie. It's fun knowing when someone is going to die, it's just a matter of how. I guess that crazy daredevil guy with the charges could count as that.
Uh...yeah. It was pretty obvious. "Oh...he has a red shirt on...he's going to die."
Jadaki
Tuesday, May 26th, 2009, 5:19 AM
QUOTE (donk4life @ Monday, May 25th, 2009, 8:38 AM)

In the original Star Trek series, the show would always have 3-4 characters to waste. They were meaningless, they were going to die, it was just a matter of time. I wish they did this in this movie. It's fun knowing when someone is going to die, it's just a matter of how. I guess that crazy daredevil guy with the charges could count as that.
Yea, that's why he showed up in a red outfit.
hblask
Tuesday, May 26th, 2009, 6:19 AM
As usual, BigD got it right. When Ebert dies, I think BigD should be first in line to replace him.
I'm not a huge fan of the series, and I've only seen a couple episodes of the follow-on series (STNG, etc).
This movie seems like it pandered to people like me, the ones who know the characters and the cliches. The plot is a total mess, but fortunately, it was beside the point. The movie is about the humor, seeing all these old characters, and a whole bunch of action scenes.
In this case, I don't mind the pandering. I don't want to have to be a geek to enjoy the movie (as with, e.g., LotR trilogy). Make it fun and funny, and I'll give you my $8.
The Kirk character is very interesting, and in future movies could be quite interesting.
It's not a great movie, you really have to shut off your brain, but that's OK sometimes. I enjoyed it enough to not feel ripped off. I'd give it a marginal thumbs up.
speedz99
Tuesday, May 26th, 2009, 7:21 AM
I don't think the pandering was too bad except for Old Spock. The rest of it was either tip-of-the-cap stuff to the original series, which I think is cool and necessary, or character stuff (like...everything Bones said) that makes sense, since it's supposed to be the same people so of course they would have the same mannerisms and say the same catch-phrase type lines.
brvheart
Saturday, May 30th, 2009, 2:20 AM
I just saw this tonight. I thought all the 'classic lines' of all the people were annoying, but almost necessary. After the first 'I'm a doctor', I was already annoyed and that was at the very beginning of the movie. Each subsequent 'line' was just jamming the bamboo farther under my fingernails. Whatever though, because I enjoyed the movie.
The entire ice planet scene was the only one I hated.
What was bad about Chekov? I heard some people saying he was bad, but I don't even remember him. (He was played by the same kid that played Kyle Reece in the new Terminator movie and I thought he did really well in T4)
fitzinabox
Saturday, May 30th, 2009, 11:25 AM
QUOTE (brvheart @ Saturday, May 30th, 2009, 6:20 AM)

I just saw this tonight. I thought all the 'classic lines' of all the people were annoying, but almost necessary. After the first 'I'm a doctor', I was already annoyed and that was at the very beginning of the movie. Each subsequent 'line' was just jamming the bamboo further under my fingernails. Whatever though, because I enjoyed the movie.
The entire ice planet scene was the only one I hated.
What was bad about Chekov? I heard some people saying he was bad, but I don't even remember him. (He was played by the same kid that played Kyle Reece in the new Terminator movie and I thought he did really well in T4)
that checkov kid reminds me of dario mineri
Jadaki
Monday, June 1st, 2009, 5:27 AM
QUOTE (brvheart @ Saturday, May 30th, 2009, 5:20 AM)

The entire ice planet scene was the only one I hated.
By far the worst part of the movie.
runthemover
Monday, June 1st, 2009, 8:02 PM
FIRE EVERYTHING!
jmbreslin
Tuesday, June 9th, 2009, 8:42 AM
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Saturday, May 9th, 2009, 6:29 AM)

I'm particularly impressed with Kirk. It would have been very easy to take the route taken by a few of the other characters and just have done a shatner impression. But he really made the character his own, and the character of Kirk is more like Han Solo than it is Shatner's kirk, which is not a bad thing by the way. It's a very, very good thing.
Agree, but I loved the way he added just a hint of Shatner Kirk at the end of the movie with some of his mannerisms. They were very subtle but they were definitely there.
jmbreslin
Tuesday, June 9th, 2009, 8:44 AM
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Saturday, May 9th, 2009, 11:10 PM)

I didn't mind the time traveling plot, it helps explain that this is an alternate reality with the same people.
Frickin brilliant, now that I think about it this way. It gives the writers free reign to explore entirely new storylines and create a whole new Star Trek franchise.
BigDMcGee
Tuesday, June 9th, 2009, 4:51 PM
QUOTE (speedz99 @ Tuesday, May 26th, 2009, 10:21 AM)

I don't think the pandering was too bad except for Old Spock. The rest of it was either tip-of-the-cap stuff to the original series, which I think is cool and necessary, or character stuff (like...everything Bones said) that makes sense, since it's supposed to be the same people so of course they would have the same mannerisms and say the same catch-phrase type lines.
I disagree with the fact that it's necessary, but I'm sure I'm in the minority here. Since I would have preferred them just make a new movie based on those character archetypes and not worry about wasting a movie to fit this new universe into a separate continuity ( which I find extremely geeky and anti-artistic), I also would have preferred them to flesh out these characters anew, to not worry about the fact that they are young versions of the original series, but make new stories on based on these archetypes. That way, instead of reducing Bones into a cheesey Deforrest Kelly impersonation that spits out catchphrases, they could have actually made him an interesting and 3-dimensional character. Since Star Trek is such an ensemble show/movie, it's probably too much to ask to make all the side characters like bones and scotty 3d, full and interesting characters. But the least they could have done is made them actually funny or clever.
But, on the plus side, the two important characters, Spock and Kirk were excellent and going to be a good backbone for future movies.
I'm not sure if I made sense here, the only thing I can compare it to is Batman. Over the years, in comics, TV, cartoons and movies, have taken this archetype ( a rich masked crusader fighting crime dressed up as a bat) and re shaped it many different ways. They haven't worried about the continuity ( except in comics, and even then some excellent comics ( like Frank Millers) have stepped outside of the continuity) and haven't been burdened by the way the characters were portrayed before, and instead would re-invent batman in several different ways, making him a very interesting modern myth. I wish things like star trek could dump the baggage of fan boy obessing and take these fantastically interesting characters, and just tell stories with them in different and interesting ways, without worrying about how they match up with previous material. A pipe dream, I'm sure.
fleung22
Wednesday, June 10th, 2009, 12:58 AM
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Wednesday, June 10th, 2009, 8:51 AM)

I disagree with the fact that it's necessary, but I'm sure I'm in the minority here. Since I would have preferred them just make a new movie based on those character archetypes and not worry about wasting a movie to fit this new universe into a separate continuity ( which I find extremely geeky and anti-artistic), I also would have preferred them to flesh out these characters anew, to not worry about the fact that they are young versions of the original series, but make new stories on based on these archetypes. That way, instead of reducing Bones into a cheesey Deforrest Kelly impersonation that spits out catchphrases, they could have actually made him an interesting and 3-dimensional character. Since Star Trek is such an ensemble show/movie, it's probably too much to ask to make all the side characters like bones and scotty 3d, full and interesting characters. But the least they could have done is made them actually funny or clever.
But, on the plus side, the two important characters, Spock and Kirk were excellent and going to be a good backbone for future movies.
I'm not sure if I made sense here, the only thing I can compare it to is Batman. Over the years, in comics, TV, cartoons and movies, have taken this archetype ( a rich masked crusader fighting crime dressed up as a bat) and re shaped it many different ways. They haven't worried about the continuity ( except in comics, and even then some excellent comics ( like Frank Millers) have stepped outside of the continuity) and haven't been burdened by the way the characters were portrayed before, and instead would re-invent batman in several different ways, making him a very interesting modern myth. I wish things like star trek could dump the baggage of fan boy obessing and take these fantastically interesting characters, and just tell stories with them in different and interesting ways, without worrying about how they match up with previous material. A pipe dream, I'm sure.
Us geeks love it!
BigDMcGee
Wednesday, June 10th, 2009, 1:05 PM
QUOTE (fleung22 @ Wednesday, June 10th, 2009, 3:58 AM)

Us geeks love it!

And I'm sure the producers of the movie care more about appeasing geeks than making real art, so you'll be in good shape for future movies.
Jadaki
Wednesday, June 10th, 2009, 1:27 PM
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Wednesday, June 10th, 2009, 4:05 PM)

And I'm sure the producers of the movie care more about appeasing geeks than making real art, so you'll be in good shape for future movies.
I get what your saying, but I don't understand it at the same time. I'm pretty sure that makes no sense.
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