Unless Wade wants to play with Lebron, which actually has me slightly worried.

I dont see it. Why would they want to share the spotlight? Plus, I dont see how their games mesh well. Who gets the ball in crunch time? By previous performance it would be Wade; he has more game winners by a long shot. How would that work?

Its a bad idea.

You sure about that?


Here's a good link too.

the 2nd website backs me up and the 1st website is a REALLY broad definition of a game winning shot.

Lebron has one buzzer beat his whole career.....just saying. No one is perfect.

You think this:

Game Winning Shot Opportunity = 24 seconds or less left in the game, team with the ball is either tied or down by 1 to 2 points.

is a "REALLY broad definition?"

To limit it to true buzzer beaters is a little silly because, "If we make it too restrictive, as in a real last second shot at the buzzer, then you are dealing with tiny, tiny sample sizes."

But fine, I'll concede the buzzer beaters, so let's say this: if there's about 20 seconds left in the game, give it to Lebron, but if there's less than 3 seconds left, it goes to Wade.

I think the second link shows that you really can't go wrong with either one, but Wade averages 2.2 more points per 48 minutes of clutch time while Lebron averages 3.6 more assists per. Why does that make Wade the better choice to give the ball?

Edit: Wade has a better assist to turnover ratio. I just think the actual performance is so close that other factors would determine who gets the majority of the touches in crunch time. Like who has been having the better game or who has the better matchup.

If they would just allow the crab dribble - this wouldn't even be an issue

I'd rather have Wade with the ball on a last possession than Lebron.

The fact that it is so hard to figure out who would be the better option pretty much proves my larger point: whose team would it be? A team has to be well defined to win. Scottie Pippen was an awesome NBA star but it was understood that MJ got the ball in crunch time and that was that.

Plus, Wade and Lebron do mostly the same things.....having both is a bit redundant.
I like the idea of Wade and Bosh in Miami much better. (Or Lebron and Bosh in NY).

Wade has done the crunch time thing to great effect in the NBA Finals so he gets my vote. But, yeah, I clearly thought Lebron's late game numbers were worse than they are. He has gotten a lot better than last year and change.

In Dantoni's system would it really matter if you had Wade and Lebron on the same team? It just means they could play at an insane tempo and you would always have one of them on the court running the team. I prefer Wade with the ball in his hands at crunch time too (see NBA Finals), but imagine what they could do with a two man game or if they had a legit big guy on the team.

I also love the idea of Bosh coming to Miami.

To play with Lebron, and to be coached by Da Ant. But, I could also see Lebron going to Miami.

pretty sure Bosh in 2010 is Riley's ultimate plan. Their games fit.

Yeah, I mean I am sure Lebron and Wade COULD work. But would it? I am not sure. I worry it would turn into a situation like when Tiger and Phil Mickelson pair up during the Ryder Cup.

Obviously, if Lebron wanted to come to Miami I would be more than happy to see what happens! But, I would not be on here the next day saying "eat it suckers, the Heat just locked up the NBA for years. HA HA HA!"

Did you watch the olympics?




Don't worry, I'll do enough of that for you, because on that day I become a heat fan.

If they had even a serviceable big man and any sort of depth, they would have it locked for years. And you wouldn't have to say it, because I would.

Well I hope he comes and you guys are right. I bet it would be hard to find a big man and depth with that drain on your cap. Have to convince some vets to take a paycut for a ring.

I'm just not sure Lebron, Wade and whoever would be that much better than Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, et al. Basketball is so much about proper chemistry.

I certainly would not be against Lebron coming to Miami though. I'm cautious, not silly.

We would be happy to have you. Certainly would be the most fun team to watch ever.

I saw a bunch of Olympics games. I am not sure how much you can glean from that since the players around them are so good and because international basketball and the NBA are so different.

Well, see, I meant more that the problem with Phil and Tiger is that they hate each other, and tiger doesn't give a crap about international golf competitions. In the olympics, both Wade and Lebron really wanted to be there, and they legitimately like each other. That's where all these rumors of them playing each other are coming from, because they like each other so much, and started fantaizing about playing with each other at those olympics

thats a fair point.

Thats also why a lot of people think Bosh is headed somewhere with one of them in 2010 too.

Which, from what I understand, can pretty much only be NYC, from a cap consideration point of view. I think Bosh is likely headed to dallas, however.

Why makes you think that?

A Dallas - Raptors trade in the off season wouldn't be surprising. It's where Bosh is from.

The flaws in Bosh's game are really showing. He's at times a laughably bad defender and he is a below average rebounder since he never ever boxes out but instead just relies on his athleticism.

On offense he has a ton of tools but he's been a total black hole this year and far far far too often he forces things when he is double teamed instead of moving the ball.

I think Bosh will make a nice complimentary piece but most NBA fans way overvalue his game.

I like the way Bosh communicates on defense, I think he was clearly the best defender of the bigs on the Olympic team.

In the NBA Bosh is a below average defender. He struggles against bigger, stronger players and his perimeter defense against some of the quicker more perimeter bigs is really poor. He also isn't a very good on the ball defender so forwards who can put the ball on the floor can get by him pretty easily.

I have a different opinions I guess. I thought he was a solid team defender and patrols the lane pretty well. If he is out guarding 3 point shooters something is wrong to begin with.

It's his home town.

I've watched pretty much every NBA game that he's played either live or on TV.

When you're playing a team like Orlando he gets really exposed. He can't guard Howard down low and he can't guard Lewis or Turkoglu on the permiter.

He isn't a horrible defender by any means but is at best average. Especially since his rebounding is flawed since he relys on his athleticism and his rebounding fundementals aren't very good.

Bosh is a legit All Star caliber player but the flaws in his game and his leadership qualities have been exposed this season. He is far from a Superstar caliber player but will make a good complimentary player if he ends up playing with a true superstar.

There is no one in the league that can guard Howard, even Shaq was trying to flop against him last night. Bosh isn't built to defend Lewis and Turk, so basically you listed the perfect team for him to have problems with. Only I can't think of a defender in the league who can guard all 3 of those guys effectively so I'm not sure what you want from the guy.

I agree he would be a better 2nd option than a first, but that makes him one of the best #2 options in the league.

That's out of line.



He's like the RuPaul of big men.

I was using that as an example and your points are valid about Howard but if Bosh can't defend inside power players which he doesn't do well not just against Howard and he can't defend other 6'10" forwards on the perimeter it shows that at best he is average.

The worst thing that happened to Bosh and the Raptors this season was when Bosh started out the season so hot on the offensive end. He made the claim that he wanted to be the MVP and that has made him a very selfish player who really has become a black hole on offense and is a major reason that the Raptors offense has stagnated so much this year. The two best Raptors are Bosh and Bargiani and they both have the same problem with moving the ball to others.

Last night's game against Houston is a perfect example. In the first quarter he put up a ton of shots while the rest of the players didn't get a sniff and eventhough his numbers look good he had a poor game.

I love Shaq.

Have you seen the officiating in the last 2 minutes of Cav games on TV this season?

Care to retract that statement?

And for the record, everyone is coming to Portland, for the chance to have a locker next to the great Michael Greg Odenwakandi.

Bron and Wade would give Showtime a run for its money.

I was in class for the first half of the Cavs game (worst timing). But I will say that I got in the car with about 6 mins left in the 2nd and the Heat radio guy was about to have a freakin aneurysm about the ridiculous bad bailout calls Lebron was getting. I have never heard a radio guy (not named Heinsohn lol) get that upset over refs. He was making snide comments every time the Cavs got called for a foul. It was amusing.

Wade gets almost the same bs calls lebron does. Not quite but almost. I just think you can force Lebron to do what you want him to do on one possession, and can even get him to give up the ball and make another guy beat you which I can live with. I just don't think there's that much you can do to Wade other than get him to take a contested mid range jumper which is his shit. I don't think Miami has enough but I would love to see a Cleveland Miami 2nd rd series so I can root for Wade to take it to him.

Miami wont get by Atlanta if they keep the five seed or Orlando if they get the 6. They dont match up well with either team. Sadly.

Miami could end up at 7 playing the Cavs in round one. That would be fun.

Wade throws up 36 and 16 and 6. His assists are starting to pile up.....his teammates need to keep converting open shots and dunks.

Howard is a one of a kind talent in the league right now. So saying he can't effectively guard Howard isn't saying anything, who can? But he can play in the post against the vast majority of other big men in the league and more than hold his own.

I also think Bosh is wildly disenchanted with the Raptors situation. He looks disinterested and is perhaps seething that his franchise is taking two steps back while all the other top players in his draft (not named Darko) have had and are having much more team success than him.

42, 8 and 6 for Wade in a road win for the Heat.

8 turnovers was bad......but 17 of 23 from the field is lights out.

Wade became just the 3rd player in NBA history to average 40pts and 10assts over a four game span. sick.

Also was 3rd player in NBA history to have a 4 game stretch where he averaged 40 points and 10 assists per. He is averaging 35.8 points since the All-Star break, tops in the league.

I was at the game last night.

The Raptors in general are a pretty bad defensive team but even when he was defended well Wade always made the right play whether it was hitting a shot that couldn't be defended or making a play to an open teammate.

If Miami can get some shooters look out.

The fadeaway turnaround off glass to ice the game was just disgusting. You cant guard that.

When Daequan Cook and Chalmers and Beasley are hitting from long range, the Heat look as good as the Cavs. They are just inconsistent. If Haslem could hit a wide open 15 footer, everyone would be in trouble.

Did the Heat just win the championship?

please. like any team would not be enjoying that ending. Dwayne Wade, ladies and gentleman. This just in.....he's pretty good.

C'mon, jumping on the scorer's table, victory lap, laying on the floor after all that.

well give me some precedent. oh yeah, there's not much precedent.......you just dont see too many steal/running swish 3 to win the game in double OT moments. that was an ESPY level play so it deserved an ESPY level celebration.

the Heat also went 15-67 last year so any success must feel fantastic.

Fair enough, I just expect more from someone who's been there before.

It was a great game though, I was even watching it instead of the Lakers Blazers game.

48 points (15-21 overall, 5-6 from 3)
12 assists
6 rebounds
4 steals
3 blocks
+20

And the game winning steal and shot in double OT.

lol at +20 in a double OT game. How bad does his backup suck?

Also lol at only 7 players on the Bulls playing in a double OT game. What was the deal with that?

I saw that too, 4 players who DNP due to coaches decision. That's a lot of minutes for 7 guys when the other team is going 10 deep.

Also, the Heat don't really have a backup 2 guard. Cook is the closest but he is more of a spot up shooting specialist and actually plays a lot of the same time Wade does.

Luther Head will probably be the de facto backup SG/PG once he learns the system. They just picked him up....probably a good move.

the bulls have some injuries and obviously Vinny does not trust his scrubs. the bulls really need every win.

Wade is just off the charts the last few weeks. Not only is he shooting way over 50% in all these 40 points games but he is finding ways to get to double digit assists AND he is filling up the defensive stat sheet. It was very fitting that the game winner came off a Wade steal.