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Jadaki
Beasley added some nice minutes too last night even in crunch time.
CaneBrain
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Tuesday, March 10th, 2009, 8:34 AM) *
Beasley added some nice minutes too last night even in crunch time.



If you watch the Heat every game (and I basically do because I am a boring, boring man) you see that Beasley still makes a bunch of dumb mistakes. You understand a little better why Spolestra is bringing him along so slowly. A stupid pass here and a blown D assignment there....look at beasley's plus/minus ratios this year and you will see a lot of minuses.

That being said, Beasley is SO offensively gifted that it is getting tough to keep him off the floor. His defense and awareness seem to improve just a tiny bit each game. He is only 19 or 20 after all. And he has no fear.....he is willing take and make big shots....he sank a bunch of big FTs last night too.

I see him getting more and more minutes down the stretch as the Heat will need a 2nd scorer when teams start doubling Wade early in the shot clock. It helps Beasley that Haslem has noticeably regressed this year. (And the fact that if I took a dump on the basketball court and labeled it "Jermaine O'Neal" that piece of poop would be just as effective as the actual Jermaine Oneal. The guy had ZERO rebounds in the first half against the Bulls....not a team known to be loaded in the frontcourt.)
Jadaki
QUOTE (CaneBrain @ Tuesday, March 10th, 2009, 10:54 AM) *
If you watch the Heat every game (and I basically do because I am a boring, boring man) you see that Beasley still makes a bunch of dumb mistakes. You understand a little better why Spolestra is bringing him along so slowly. A stupid pass here and a blown D assignment there....look at beasley's plus/minus ratios this year and you will see a lot of minuses.


I don't get to watch them all, only the national televised games. My roommate and I are both Wade fans so it they always get top priority on sports viewing.
Jadaki
Wade has the look of an MVP

QUOTE (Lebron James)
Count James among the growing number of NBA observers who believe Wade belongs in the MVP conversation.

"To me,'' James said, "the way you judge an MVP is if you take a guy off their team, who struggles the most? Like last year. If you took Kobe off the Lakers or Chris Paul off the Hornets, who's struggling the most? It's the Hornets, right? But everyone has their own set of rules. Other people look at it as an individual thing. They go for numbers. Now, if you were looking at strictly the team last year, then that means either Paul Pierce or Kevin Garnett should have won it.

"So I don't know what the [MVP] voters want. But whatever they're looking for, I'm pretty sure D-Wade has it.''


QUOTE (Kobe Bryant)
"I'd make the same case for Dwyane that people used to make for me when I was on a team that didn't have a lot of talent and we still managed to get to the playoffs,'' Bryant said. "People don't realize how difficult it is to do literally everything to get your team in.''


The comment by Kobe is exactly why he probably won't win it, but taking a 15 win team to team that can end up with home court in the first round is amazing.

His 3 pt shooting is only 1% behind Lebrons now too.
CaneBrain
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Wednesday, March 11th, 2009, 11:40 AM) *
Wade has the look of an MVP





The comment by Kobe is exactly why he probably won't win it, but taking a 15 win team to team that can end up with home court in the first round is amazing.

His 3 pt shooting is only 1% behind Lebrons now too.



Wade probably wont win. For whatever reason, the NBA powers have decided that the MVP means the best player on an elite team. I think thats dumb but whatever. At least they are consistent.

The point is that Wade HAS to be in the debate. What more could he possibly do? He has to score, create and anchor the D and his teammates are mostly neophytes. And he has several dramatic moments....the insane comback against the Knicks where he scored 15 points in a 19-0 run and the magic against Chicago. If he is not in the debate, then NO ONE can be in the debate if their team doesnt win 50+ games.
BigDMcGee
QUOTE (Poppy Hillis @ Monday, March 9th, 2009, 7:16 PM) *
Fair enough, I just expect more from someone who's been there before.

It was a great game though, I was even watching it instead of the Lakers Blazers game.



LOL Old man poppy hates shit.


I've never understood people grumpily saying that people need to " act like they've been there be fore" and restrain their emotions. Let people have fun and celebrate, you kill joys.



Also, that might have been the "signature" game in Wade's MVP season. I can't argue with him winning it, at this point.
Poppy_Hillis
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Wednesday, March 11th, 2009, 5:49 PM) *
LOL Old man poppy hates shit.


I've never understood people grumpily saying that people need to " act like they've been there be fore" and restrain their emotions. Let people have fun and celebrate, you kill joys.



Also, that might have been the "signature" game in Wade's MVP season. I can't argue with him winning it, at this point.

I think I'm being mis-interpreted. As a fan I love to see guys show emotion and generally never have a problem with it, but if my star player, MVP candidate, best in the world candidate, arguably the best player in the olympics, guy who's won a championship acts like he just won another one against a non-playoff team at home in March, I would be somewhat embarrassed.
SuitedAces21
QUOTE (Poppy_Hillis @ Wednesday, March 11th, 2009, 10:10 PM) *
I think I'm being mis-interpreted. As a fan I love to see guys show emotion and generally never have a problem with it, but if my star player, MVP candidate, best in the world candidate, arguably the best player in the olympics, guy who's won a championship acts like he just won another one against a non-playoff team at home in March, I would be somewhat embarrassed.


one of the greatest things i've ever seen in sports was johnny unitas' reaction when the colts won the nfl championship in the "greatest game ever played". he sees the touchdown, and walks away. absolutely no emotion, and no celebration. then in the locker room a reporter asks him if he was worried that a key pass of his, that went into coverage, would be intercepted. he said, 'when you know what you're doing, you dont throw interceptions.'
BigDMcGee
QUOTE (SuitedAces21 @ Wednesday, March 11th, 2009, 7:17 PM) *
one of the greatest things i've ever seen in sports was johnny unitas' reaction when the colts won the nfl championship in the "greatest game ever played". he sees the touchdown, and walks away. absolutely no emotion, and no celebration. then in the locker room a reporter asks him if he was worried that a key pass of his, that went into coverage, would be intercepted. he said, 'when you know what you're doing, you dont throw interceptions.'



I have never been more convinced you were a faggot than I am right now.
CaneBrain
QUOTE (SuitedAces21 @ Wednesday, March 11th, 2009, 8:17 PM) *
one of the greatest things i've ever seen in sports was johnny unitas' reaction when the colts won the nfl championship in the "greatest game ever played". he sees the touchdown, and walks away. absolutely no emotion, and no celebration. then in the locker room a reporter asks him if he was worried that a key pass of his, that went into coverage, would be intercepted. he said, 'when you know what you're doing, you dont throw interceptions.'



thats kinda stupid. Unitas threw lots of interceptions. That comes off kinda pompous to me.


I think celebrations are just individual expressions. Some guys like Barry Sanders are more ho-hum been there done that and thats cool. Thats them. And there is a certain coolness about that which is great.

But not everyone has to be like that. Good celebrations are awesome. Great ones become legendary: the ickie shuffle, the sharpie, the superbowl shuffle, the cabbage patch, the pretend to be a dog and lift your leg on the corner flag (soccer), the pretend the end line is coke and do a fake line (soccer).

alright, soccer players are crazy, but, to be fair, goals are few and far between in soccer.
BigDMcGee
QUOTE (CaneBrain @ Wednesday, March 11th, 2009, 9:24 PM) *
thats kinda stupid. Unitas threw lots of interceptions. That comes off kinda pompous to me.


I think celebrations are just individual expressions. Some guys like Barry Sanders are more ho-hum been there done that and thats cool. Thats them. And there is a certain coolness about that which is great.

But not everyone has to be like that. Good celebrations are awesome. Great ones become legendary: the ickie shuffle, the sharpie, the superbowl shuffle, the cabbage patch, the pretend to be a dog and lift your leg on the corner flag (soccer), the pretend the end line is coke and do a fake line (soccer).

alright, soccer players are crazy, but, to be fair, goals are few and far between in soccer.



they are roughly as common as touchdowns, particularly receiving touchdowns.
Jadaki
From the Daily Dime

QUOTE
By John Hollinger | ESPN
The battle for the league player efficiency rating title continues to tighten, as Dwyane Wade keeps closing the gap on LeBron James' once-commanding lead. After another explosion from Wade on Wednesday in the Heat's win over Boston, his mark stands at 30.66, within hailing distance of James' 31.27.

This has obvious implications for the MVP vote, as many of us (myself included) want to see how these two fare over the final month of the season before endorsing either candidate.

One thing that should be perfectly clear, however, is that these guys need to be Nos. 1 and 2 on every ballot. As good as Chris Paul, Dwight Howard and Kobe Bryant have been, they'd have to be historically great over these final weeks to present a body of work on the season that can match James' and Wade's.
CaneBrain
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Wednesday, March 11th, 2009, 10:30 PM) *
they are roughly as common as touchdowns, particularly receiving touchdowns.



and wide receivers like soccer players are mostly insane. there you go.
BigDMcGee
I don't know where else to put this, and I don't really want to make a new thread about it. ALl the NBA fans check this thread anyway, so here's a HILARIOUS Sam Cassel interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHZhKKkmW_w...feature=related
Poppy_Hillis
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Friday, March 13th, 2009, 9:25 PM) *
I don't know where else to put this, and I don't really want to make a new thread about it. ALl the NBA fans check this thread anyway, so here's a HILARIOUS Sam Cassel interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHZhKKkmW_w...feature=related

I don't know how this guy gets interviews. You'd think the players or PR guys would know what he's about.
Poppy_Hillis
That was a nasty behind the back crossover. He's like a young Grant Hill with a J.
CaneBrain
50/10/9/4/2 for Wade in a triple OT win over Utah. He did miss a couple buzzer beater chances so he isnt quite perfect yet.

Kirilenko is still looking for his ankles after that behind the back crossover.

I_fold08
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Saturday, March 14th, 2009, 1:25 AM) *
I don't know where else to put this, and I don't really want to make a new thread about it. ALl the NBA fans check this thread anyway, so here's a HILARIOUS Sam Cassel interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHZhKKkmW_w...feature=related

wow, just wow
fleung22
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Saturday, March 14th, 2009, 1:25 PM) *
I don't know where else to put this, and I don't really want to make a new thread about it. ALl the NBA fans check this thread anyway, so here's a HILARIOUS Sam Cassel interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHZhKKkmW_w...feature=related


hrmm...didn't really do anything for me
SuitedAces21
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Thursday, March 12th, 2009, 12:05 AM) *
I have never been more convinced you were a faggot than I am right now.


yeah, well, whatever, man.
chgocubs99
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Friday, March 13th, 2009, 9:30 AM) *



Interesting how stats are overrated and you don't care about Hollinger or Simmons, etc...until one of them is making an argument for your guy. Then suddenly we get Hollinger links.

That being said, I'd flip a coin to decide who the MVP is between those two now. And the coin may be ever so slightly weighted towards Wade.
Jadaki
QUOTE (chgocubs99 @ Friday, March 20th, 2009, 10:09 AM) *
Interesting how stats are overrated and you don't care about Hollinger or Simmons, etc...until one of them is making an argument for your guy. Then suddenly we get Hollinger links.

That being said, I'd flip a coin to decide who the MVP is between those two now. And the coin may be ever so slightly weighted towards Wade.


Actually I think it's more interesting they are just waking up to it now.

If they were actually watching games and seeing what players were preforming on both sides of the court in crunch time all season long then they wouldn't just now be jumping on the Wade bandwagon in the last two months of the season.

chgocubs99
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Friday, March 20th, 2009, 10:39 AM) *
Actually I think it's more interesting they are just waking up to it now.

If they were actually watching games and seeing what players were preforming on both sides of the court in crunch time all season long then they wouldn't just now be jumping on the Wade bandwagon in the last two months of the season.


I had a few paragraphs written here but it's stuff we've argued about a hundred times before, so I'll just let it go
BigDMcGee
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Friday, March 20th, 2009, 7:39 AM) *
If they were actually watching games and seeing what players were preforming on both sides of the court in crunch time all season long then they wouldn't just now be jumping on the Wade bandwagon in the last two months of the season.



The idea that Hollinger and Simmons aren't watching games, including D-Wade games, is clearly absurd. Simmons just said that wade is one of the few stars that he'll always go out and see live.
Jadaki
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Friday, March 20th, 2009, 11:48 AM) *
The idea that Hollinger and Simmons aren't watching games, including D-Wade games, is clearly absurd. Simmons just said that wade is one of the few stars that he'll always go out and see live.


I don't read much Hollinger so I know very little of his NBA viewing habits, I read Simmons occasionally depending on what the article is about and how bored I am at work. I have seen him say he considers Wade must see. Of course he said that like a week or two ago, not back in November. Back then he was all about LJ, and that's it.

The only difference between Hollinger and Simmons compared to any of us is they get paid to write about it while we don't, don't make them any more correct. And yea if it took them this long to realize how good of a year Wade was having, and they are trying to tell me Lebron plays better defense, I'm gonna question what they are watching.

Lebron got his ankles snapped last night, but all they will talk about is that he blocked Outlaws shot. Not that his teammate had to come help him because he couldn't guard Roy.
CindyLou
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Friday, March 20th, 2009, 3:01 PM) *
I read Simmons occasionally depending on what the article is about and how bored I am at work. I have seen him say he considers Wade must see. Of course he said that like a week or two ago, not back in November. Back then he was all about LJ, and that's it.

Simmons in his October 24th fantasy basketball preview:

2. Dwyane Wade
Loved him in the Olympics, loved him in the preseason, love him for a monster comeback season that will be the athletic equivalent of "Still D.R.E." I'm thinking something like 29.4 ppg, 6.2 rpg and 5.8 apg and a slew of "D-Wade is back and better than ever!" stories starting in late November. You watch.


Of course, he did have him 2nd after Lebron, so he was still obviously all about Lebron.
Jadaki
QUOTE (CindyLou @ Friday, March 20th, 2009, 3:02 PM) *
Simmons in his October 24th fantasy basketball preview:

2. Dwyane Wade
Loved him in the Olympics, loved him in the preseason, love him for a monster comeback season that will be the athletic equivalent of "Still D.R.E." I'm thinking something like 29.4 ppg, 6.2 rpg and 5.8 apg and a slew of "D-Wade is back and better than ever!" stories starting in late November. You watch.


Of course, he did have him 2nd after Lebron, so he was still obviously all about Lebron.


I never read his fantasy basketball preview...

He also left out second in the league in steals and blocking more shots than 90% of the forwards in the league.
CaneBrain
QUOTE (BigDMcGee @ Friday, March 20th, 2009, 9:48 AM) *
The idea that Hollinger and Simmons aren't watching games, including D-Wade games, is clearly absurd. Simmons just said that wade is one of the few stars that he'll always go out and see live.



yeah, but you really dont get a true sense of a player unless you watch him every game (like I do with Wade). I can only give you my impressions of Lebron having seen him play 12-16 times this year.

thats why MVP votes are always a bit silly to me. so subjective.

another good example of this is the Erik Spolestra for coach of the year phenomenon. Announcers/commentators see the vast win improvement and say "what a coaching job he should be in the running for COY."

of course, anyone who watches the heat regularly knows that the win improvement is solely due to Wade being healthy. Dont get me wrong Spolestra has been fine. I would give him a B- which is pretty good for a rookie coach who is in his mid-thirties and looks like he is 25 years old. But he makes lots of rookie mistakes (waits too long to call momentum stopping TOs), has the oddest substitution patterns, and the Heat have a penchant for blowing leads. so coach of the year is kinda laughable to me. Ron Jeremy (SVG) is more deserving, imo.
chgocubs99
QUOTE (CaneBrain @ Saturday, March 21st, 2009, 4:21 PM) *
of course, anyone who watches the heat regularly knows that the win improvement is solely due to Wade being healthy. Dont get me wrong Spolestra has been fine. I would give him a B- which is pretty good for a rookie coach who is in his mid-thirties and looks like he is 25 years old. But he makes lots of rookie mistakes (waits too long to call momentum stopping TOs), has the oddest substitution patterns, and the Heat have a penchant for blowing leads.


Is this a rookie coach thing...like they feel like they have to make a ton of moves or they aren't doing enough? Cause Del Negro on the Bulls has the strangest sub patterns too. He doesn't wait too long to call TO's, though, if anything, he calls too many, too early.
Jadaki
QUOTE (CaneBrain @ Saturday, March 21st, 2009, 3:21 PM) *
Ron Jeremy (SVG) is more deserving, imo.


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