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sactownjoey
Multitabling so no real reads, no stats. Villain seems competent over about an hour's worth of play. I c-bet a lot, about 90% of the time. I've leaked a bit in calling too many hands so he may notice that if he's paying attention. After he calls the 3-bet pf, I'm putting him on 1010+ and AK. Obviously I'm only really worried about AA given what I know so what's the best way to get value...I think I sometimes lose value on these hands because I get too anxious on a dry board and give a villain with a marginal hand a reason to fold...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($10)
Hero (MP1) ($13.05)
MP2 ($2)
CO ($6.40)
Button ($7.90)
SB ($18.25)
BB ($1.90)
UTG ($13.15)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K icon_suit_diamond.gif, K icon_suit_club.gif
UTG raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 5 folds, UTG calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.15) 3 icon_suit_heart.gif, 4 icon_suit_spade.gif, 3 icon_suit_club.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.70, UTG calls $1.70

Turn: ($5.55) 9 icon_suit_heart.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $3, Hero ?

With villain's c/c on the flop and donk bet on the turn, IMO this is either AA looking for value or something else trying to figure out where they are. What's the best play?

Viticus
you either decide to push here or the river. a 3-bet doesnt leave you a pot size bet on the river and definitely commits you anyway.

I think i like it here because of the flush and straight draws. plus, if your range on him is correct he wont fold on a shove here anyway.

Zach6668
yaaaaaaaaaa, I prob just stick it, but I don't hate call/call (or call/shove if he bets tiny).
pokerinc
never ever a fold. Flatting and getting it in on the river's cool. Shoving's good. It's all good here.
albertoflamingo
Hmm, why are we thinking this is AA a lot? It seems far more likely that villain shows up with TT or JJ here given pf action. As played, I'd just stick it in on the turn to get actions from specified hands before a scare card hits the river.
AcesUp46
Yeah, jamming the turn seems right. Overpairs are a huge part of his range and you crush that. Stick it in!
NoBBiR
I shove on the turn, I don't like waiting. Make draws pay.
trystero
Easy turn shove, sucks when you lose to Krablar though
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (sactownjoey @ Sunday, January 25th, 2009, 11:04 AM) *
What's the best play?


If they called a 10xBB PF raise (?!?!?), I'm AT LEAST potting the flop. Especially a paired, 4 high flop because it is just that less likely that a set hit AND, and .... and, we get a TON and I mean A TON of overpairs coming with us for a very high price. If the table texture is really actioney, I'm going to overbet the pot. If it's aces, OK. If it's quads or fours, OK. If he's calling 10BB PF with 33 44, I'm noting it. We need to move chips along here, and the PF action says the villain will oblige.
Merby
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Tuesday, January 27th, 2009, 12:34 PM) *
If they called a 10xBB PF raise (?!?!?), I'm AT LEAST potting the flop. Especially a paired, 4 high flop because it is just that less likely that a set hit AND, and .... and, we get a TON and I mean A TON of overpairs coming with us for a very high price. If the table texture is really actioney, I'm going to overbet the pot. If it's aces, OK. If it's quads or fours, OK. If he's calling 10BB PF with 33 44, I'm noting it. We need to move chips along here, and the PF action says the villain will oblige.


UTG raised to 3xBB and hero 3-bet to 10xBB, which seems perfectly fine to me.

Like Zach said, I would shove turn, although I don't have hate call/call or call/shove
Zach6668
ya, I type bad
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (Merby @ Tuesday, January 27th, 2009, 6:24 PM) *
UTG raised to 3xBB and hero 3-bet to 10xBB, which seems perfectly fine to me.



I'm saying UTG shouldn't be in this hand with 33 44 w/e at a price of 10xBB PF.
Merby
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Wednesday, January 28th, 2009, 8:39 AM) *
I'm saying UTG shouldn't be in this hand with 33 44 w/e at a price of 10xBB PF.


Whoops, I misread your "?!?!?" as "??!??!?". You can see the resulting confusion that this caused.
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