Theraflu
Friday, January 30th, 2009, 7:32 PM
QUOTE (Mercury69 @ Friday, January 30th, 2009, 7:28 PM)

You being snotty? How can you fact check this show? I think he's just "talkin'", ya know?
Yes. Lostpedia. I don't like talkers, only talkies.
I enjoy this thread immensely, I have trouble putting things together the same way others here do, and it helps my enjoyment of the show a lot.
I just have trouble not being a dick sometimes.
troyomac
Friday, January 30th, 2009, 7:37 PM
QUOTE (Theraflu @ Friday, January 30th, 2009, 6:51 PM)

The important thing is you stated what you thought as fact without any fact checking.
Totally called me on that one! My apologies for misinterpreting what happened in a confusing tv show.
Mercury69
Friday, January 30th, 2009, 7:39 PM
QUOTE (Theraflu @ Friday, January 30th, 2009, 10:32 PM)

Yes. Lostpedia. I don't like talkers, only talkies.
I enjoy this thread immensely, I have trouble putting things together the same way others here do, and it helps my enjoyment of the show a lot.
I just have trouble not coming across like a dick sometimes.
You and me both, sir, you and me both...also, fyp :-)
PS: Ray, dude, big SW on that one? lol
troyomac
Friday, January 30th, 2009, 7:55 PM
QUOTE (Mercury69 @ Friday, January 30th, 2009, 7:39 PM)

You and me both, sir, you and me both...also, fyp :-)
PS: Ray, dude, big SW on that one? lol
It was implied.
coug2828
Saturday, January 31st, 2009, 10:54 AM
what would happen if Locke had gotten killed in 1954 when he came into the military camp? since he was born in '56, would getting killed in '54 mean that he wasn't born and therefore couldn't have been on the plane, found the hatch, pushed the button etc etc?
looshle
Saturday, January 31st, 2009, 12:08 PM
QUOTE (coug2828 @ Saturday, January 31st, 2009, 10:54 AM)

what would happen if Locke had gotten killed in 1954 when he came into the military camp? since he was born in '56, would getting killed in '54 mean that he wasn't born and therefore couldn't have been on the plane, found the hatch, pushed the button etc etc?
I'm assuming no chance that him dying as an adult in 54 would have any impact on him being born. Also, I thought he couldn't change the past only desmond and faraday? could.
I like how everything lockes done in the past he has already experienced from it like Richard coming to his house.
WKTSWAY
Monday, February 2nd, 2009, 12:03 PM
QUOTE (coug2828 @ Saturday, January 31st, 2009, 2:54 PM)

what would happen if Locke had gotten killed in 1954 when he came into the military camp? since he was born in '56, would getting killed in '54 mean that he wasn't born and therefore couldn't have been on the plane, found the hatch, pushed the button etc etc?
I may be way off here, but I think the flashes are preventing stuff like that from happening. Since things can not change like Faraday said, he can't die when he goes back. When Ethan was about to kill him, there was a flash...Maybe some other change was going to happen when another flash went off.
So, I think if something would make the past change, it brings you back to the Present (or future?).
And I think Faraday was able to talk to Desmond (where Sawyer couldn't) because maybe he had spoken to him at some point in time before he knocked on the hatch door. Or it could just be because both of them have gone through time.
El Guapo
Monday, February 2nd, 2009, 12:10 PM
QUOTE (WKTSWAY @ Monday, February 2nd, 2009, 12:03 PM)

I may be way off here, but I think the flashes are preventing stuff like that from happening. Since things can not change like Faraday said, he can't die when he goes back. When Ethan was about to kill him, there was a flash...Maybe some other change was going to happen when another flash went off.
So, I think if something would make the past change, it brings you back to the Present (or future?).
And I think Faraday was able to talk to Desmond (where Sawyer couldn't) because maybe he had spoken to him at some point in time before he knocked on the hatch door. Or it could just be because both of them have gone through time.
That cannot be correct, because a few of the no name island survivors died in between flashes.
Mercury69
Monday, February 2nd, 2009, 12:48 PM
QUOTE (El Guapo @ Monday, February 2nd, 2009, 3:10 PM)

That cannot be correct, because a few of the no name island survivors died in between flashes.
They could die because they are inconsequential to the future of the island. Locke cannot die because he is in the future and that cannot be changed because it already happened.
looshle
Monday, February 2nd, 2009, 1:22 PM
QUOTE (Mercury69 @ Monday, February 2nd, 2009, 1:48 PM)

They could die because they are inconsequential to the future of the island. Locke cannot die because he is in the future and that cannot be changed because it already happened.
Faraday said that you can't change the past no matter what. That includes killing people in the past, it has nothing to do with the future of the island, just the future in general.
Mercury69
Monday, February 2nd, 2009, 2:07 PM
QUOTE (looshle @ Monday, February 2nd, 2009, 4:22 PM)

Faraday said that you can't change the past no matter what. That includes killing people in the past, it has nothing to do with the future of the island, just the future in general.
We meet again...MR LOOSHLE

Yes, true-ish (given what little we know of the actual rules). The Red Shirts could die in the past because they were going to die regardless and, maybe, just maybe, the past was their future to die in.
<this is why this show is so good>
BTW...If you (all of you) aren't already reading the write-ups on The Onion TV Club in the AV section, you should start. It's quite fun...
vbnautilus
Monday, February 2nd, 2009, 2:37 PM
I really cannot stand Faraday and his demeanor.
coug2828
Monday, February 2nd, 2009, 2:53 PM
the "can't change stuff in the past" thing has me confused. i mean you can change stuff, but if you do then the sh** hits the fan i guess?? but then someone pointed out that something was about to be changed and a flash happened to prevent anything from being changed, so maybe it's physically impossible to change something.
Theraflu
Monday, February 2nd, 2009, 3:44 PM
QUOTE (vbnautilus @ Monday, February 2nd, 2009, 2:37 PM)

I really cannot stand Faraday and his demeanor.
Oh? He's my second favorite character.
Naked_Cowboy
Monday, February 2nd, 2009, 4:03 PM
i love me some faraday. he's one of most convincing characters and i don't think a lesser actor could pull it off as well as he is
vbnautilus
Monday, February 2nd, 2009, 4:37 PM
QUOTE (Theraflu @ Monday, February 2nd, 2009, 3:44 PM)

Oh? He's my second favorite character.
QUOTE (Naked_Cowboy @ Monday, February 2nd, 2009, 4:03 PM)

i love me some faraday. he's one of most convincing characters and i don't think a lesser actor could pull it off as well as he is
Wow I'm really surprised to hear this. I find his anxious routine to be totally overacted and unconvincing. He pulls me out of the disbelief more than any other character.
gobears
Tuesday, February 3rd, 2009, 9:19 AM
QUOTE (vbnautilus @ Monday, February 2nd, 2009, 4:37 PM)

Wow I'm really surprised to hear this. I find his anxious routine to be totally overacted and unconvincing. He pulls me out of the disbelief more than any other character.
I think that Faraday is great - exactly my image of how all scientists behave
vbnautilus
Tuesday, February 3rd, 2009, 9:56 AM
QUOTE (gobears @ Tuesday, February 3rd, 2009, 9:19 AM)

I think that Faraday is great - exactly my image of how all scientists behave

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Mercury69
Tuesday, February 3rd, 2009, 10:03 AM
QUOTE (vbnautilus @ Monday, February 2nd, 2009, 7:37 PM)

Wow I'm really surprised to hear this. I find his anxious routine to be totally overacted and unconvincing. He pulls me out of the disbelief more than any other character.
Well, with the big reveal that he's closely tied to Widmore, wouldn't YOU be anxious and evasively truthful? He knows more than he's letting on and I think his demeanour is as much an act as it is the actor's take on how Faraday should act.
QUOTE (gobears @ Tuesday, February 3rd, 2009, 12:19 PM)

I think that Faraday is great - exactly my image of how all scientists behave

Pretty much
troyomac
Tuesday, February 3rd, 2009, 10:40 AM
Faraday bugged me a bit when we first saw him, but he grew on me fast, and now he's one of my faves.
vbnautilus
Tuesday, February 3rd, 2009, 11:02 AM
QUOTE (Mercury69 @ Tuesday, February 3rd, 2009, 10:03 AM)

Well, with the big reveal that he's closely tied to Widmore, wouldn't YOU be anxious and evasively truthful? He knows more than he's letting on and I think his demeanour is as much an act as it is the actor's take on how Faraday should act.
By act I meant the actor's acting. I have no problem with the character being anxious, I just find the way Jeremy Davies acts anxious to be totally caricatured and silly.
Mercury69
Tuesday, February 3rd, 2009, 2:02 PM
QUOTE (vbnautilus @ Tuesday, February 3rd, 2009, 2:02 PM)

By act I meant the actor's acting. I have no problem with the character being anxious, I just find the way Jeremy Davies acts anxious to be totally caricatured and silly.
I see what you mean, but I think it's meant to convey that he's being very careful about the words he chooses to reply with about what he's being asked, as well as the fact that he is, in many respects, a lot smarter and more knowledgable than most of the castaways. He's also socially inept (the character), so his tics and odd demeanour are attempts to find a middle ground where he doesn't give away anything he "shouldn't", yet gives either a satisfactory answer or something so convoluted and weird people will just walk away frustrated.
I like Faraday
fleung22
Wednesday, February 4th, 2009, 3:09 AM
Just finished watching the first 3 episodes. Wow, I always forget how much I really love this show. AWESOME just awesome...
two things:
1. any body figure out who that chick is from the past timeline? the one who takes Faraday to the bomb? For some reason I thought it might be a young Danielle but isn't she supposed to be French?
2. I'm thinking that past Richard doesn't quite know/have the ability to time travel yet or maybe it's more like Whoopi's character in STNG. Understands time travel and feels it without actually traveling physically. Could it be that when Richard goes to see a young Locke he's actually looking to see if he picks the compass to see if a certain part of time disturbance has already occurred? uhh...I totally can't explain this correctly. help!
SlapStick
Wednesday, February 4th, 2009, 3:37 AM
QUOTE (vbnautilus @ Tuesday, February 3rd, 2009, 2:37 AM)

Wow I'm really surprised to hear this. I find his anxious routine to be totally overacted and unconvincing. He pulls me out of the disbelief more than any other character.
Faraday tilts me beyond belief.
bigkg
Wednesday, February 4th, 2009, 6:35 AM
QUOTE (fleung22 @ Wednesday, February 4th, 2009, 6:09 AM)

1. any body figure out who that chick is from the past timeline? the one who takes Faraday to the bomb? For some reason I thought it might be a young Danielle but isn't she supposed to be French?
I'm going to guess that she is Ms. Hawking (the woman doing calculations for Ben) and Faraday's mother. Which leads me to believe that Charles Widmore is his father.
fleung22
Wednesday, February 4th, 2009, 6:59 AM
QUOTE (bigkg @ Wednesday, February 4th, 2009, 10:35 PM)

I'm going to guess that she is Ms. Hawking (the woman doing calculations for Ben) and Faraday's mother. Which leads me to believe that Charles Widmore is his father.
Ms. Hawking looks older than Widmore but that's possible I suppose.
I wonder when/if we see the return of Claire and whether the Jack-Claire sibling storyline ever resurfaces.
jeff_536
Wednesday, February 4th, 2009, 8:51 AM
QUOTE (fleung22 @ Wednesday, February 4th, 2009, 9:59 AM)

Ms. Hawking looks older than Widmore but that's possible I suppose.
I wonder when/if we see the return of Claire and whether the Jack-Claire sibling storyline ever resurfaces.
I read that Claire won't be in this season, but will be back for the final season next year.
Anyone else see Charlie guest star on Chuck as a rock star? I guess he's typecast now.
Mercury69
Wednesday, February 4th, 2009, 10:40 AM
Coming up on Maury Povich:
Charles Widmore...the baby is yours!
fleung22
Wednesday, February 4th, 2009, 10:56 AM
QUOTE (Mercury69 @ Thursday, February 5th, 2009, 2:40 AM)

Coming up on Maury Povich:
Charles Widmore...the baby is yours!
YOU SUCK!!

how things in t-dot buddy?
and btw, that really DID suck
Mercury69
Wednesday, February 4th, 2009, 2:06 PM
QUOTE (fleung22 @ Wednesday, February 4th, 2009, 1:56 PM)

YOU SUCK!!

how things in t-dot buddy?
and btw, that really DID suck
Back into the woodwork with you, Canuck fan!
Toronto is getting lots of snow. I'm sure you miss it...Other than that, just trying to remain calm when my QQ loses to T2 sooted...
BTW, I hear Macao is taking a hit because of the economy. What's the scoop?
Mercury69
Wednesday, February 4th, 2009, 2:06 PM
wow...first triple postaments ever!
Mercury69
Wednesday, February 4th, 2009, 2:06 PM
Fckn internet lol
fleung22
Wednesday, February 4th, 2009, 2:13 PM
QUOTE (Mercury69 @ Thursday, February 5th, 2009, 6:06 AM)

Back into the woodwork with you, Canuck fan!
Toronto is getting lots of snow. I'm sure you miss it...Other than that, just trying to remain calm when my QQ loses to T2 sooted...
BTW, I hear Macao is taking a hit because of the economy. What's the scoop?
isn't the world taking a hit?
ya, definitely slowdown in Macau but there was no way the casino biz was going to sustain 40% YTD growth forever. it's probably a good thing so that the government here actually starts investing into other things.
troyomac
Wednesday, February 4th, 2009, 7:03 PM
Wow, am I just in a grumpy/tired mood, or was that episode extremely boring?
Moneyball16
Wednesday, February 4th, 2009, 7:11 PM
I thought the episode was pretty good. I like it more than the premiere.
SBriand
Wednesday, February 4th, 2009, 7:55 PM
QUOTE (Moneyball16 @ Wednesday, February 4th, 2009, 10:11 PM)

I thought the episode was pretty good. I like it more than the premiere.
I liked the premiere, hated the second episode, and enjoyed this one. Mainly because I found a post on another site that I posted on 8/2808 where I told the posters in that thread that
it was obv back then that Jin was not dead. It was good to bump that topic and show how smart I am.
Balloon guy
Wednesday, February 4th, 2009, 9:15 PM
QUOTE (vbnautilus @ Monday, February 2nd, 2009, 2:37 PM)

I really cannot stand Faraday and his demeanor.
I picture LLY acting EXACTLY like this.
with women
coug2828
Wednesday, February 4th, 2009, 10:07 PM
bloody nose severity is related to exposure to the island...so i'm guessing that we're at least being led to think that Miles is the son of the guy who does the dharma initiative training films??
anybody for a dharma beer?
Mercury69
Thursday, February 5th, 2009, 7:51 AM
I knew...
We were going to meet a young Danielle Rousseau when Locke discovered the French writing on the wreckage. The twist for this story arc is that she is clearly pregnant already...
Jin would turn up. That was one of the first spoilers that was verified.
Everyone's nose would start bleeding at some point. But...why isn't Daniel's nose bleeding? Is it because he has a constant already and the other two do not? Why are Juliet and Sawyer "different"? Is it because they haven't actually "left" the island...ever? Maybe it is leaving the island (and then coming back) that cause the brain clock to break down, along with the "constant" concept.
Sun's motives would be clearer once she found Ben. Did Widmore give her the intel on what Ben would do to flush out Kate, thereby making her able to locate Ben?
I have no clue...
Who those people in the outrigger were, the ones shooting at Locke and crew.
...there is more that I can't think of right now...
LongLiveYorke
Thursday, February 5th, 2009, 7:51 AM
QUOTE (Balloon guy @ Thursday, February 5th, 2009, 12:15 AM)

I picture LLY acting EXACTLY like this.
with women
....
no comment
Mercury69
Thursday, February 5th, 2009, 8:10 AM
QUOTE (LongLiveYorke @ Thursday, February 5th, 2009, 10:51 AM)

....
no comment
Do we need a LongLiveFaraday joke account?
fleung22
Friday, February 6th, 2009, 6:42 AM
QUOTE (Mercury69 @ Thursday, February 5th, 2009, 11:51 PM)

Everyone's nose would start bleeding at some point. But...why isn't Daniel's nose bleeding? Is it because he has a constant already and the other two do not? Why are Juliet and Sawyer "different"? Is it because they haven't actually "left" the island...ever? Maybe it is leaving the island (and then coming back) that cause the brain clock to break down, along with the "constant" concept.
We already know Juliet was brought on the island by Ben and then Sawyer crashes later. Thus the bleeding order. Faraday's buddies must've been to the island at some other point but don't remember. I mean Miles does have a fukked up power.
Mercury69
Friday, February 6th, 2009, 6:45 AM
I know there's 30 games remaining in the season, but I wanted to point out the Canucks are not in a playoff spot right now...
fleung22
Friday, February 6th, 2009, 7:08 AM
QUOTE (Mercury69 @ Friday, February 6th, 2009, 10:45 PM)

I know there's 30 games remaining in the season, but I wanted to point out the Canucks are not in a playoff spot right now...
hey, this ain't the fukkin hockey forum!! I don't want to have my balls busted in more than one forum!
WKTSWAY
Friday, February 6th, 2009, 10:58 AM
QUOTE (Mercury69 @ Thursday, February 5th, 2009, 10:51 AM)

I knew...
We were going to meet a young Danielle Rousseau when Locke discovered the French writing on the wreckage. The twist for this story arc is that she is clearly pregnant already...
Jin would turn up. That was one of the first spoilers that was verified.
Everyone's nose would start bleeding at some point. But...why isn't Daniel's nose bleeding? Is it because he has a constant already and the other two do not? Why are Juliet and Sawyer "different"? Is it because they haven't actually "left" the island...ever? Maybe it is leaving the island (and then coming back) that cause the brain clock to break down, along with the "constant" concept.
Sun's motives would be clearer once she found Ben. Did Widmore give her the intel on what Ben would do to flush out Kate, thereby making her able to locate Ben?
I have no clue...
Who those people in the outrigger were, the ones shooting at Locke and crew.
...there is more that I can't think of right now...
The earlier you were on the island, the sooner your nose starts bleeding. I'm guessing because Daniel has a constant, his will not. Charlotte was on the island before anyone else, so her nose started to bleed first.
I think Sun's intel has all come from Ben myself. The same reason that Ben was the one trying to get Aaron. He wanted everyone to meet at the pier at the same time so they could all go back to the island.
vbnautilus
Friday, February 6th, 2009, 2:01 PM
QUOTE (WKTSWAY @ Friday, February 6th, 2009, 10:58 AM)

The earlier you were on the island, the sooner your nose starts bleeding. I'm guessing because Daniel has a constant, his will not. Charlotte was on the island before anyone else, so her nose started to bleed first.
I think Sun's intel has all come from Ben myself. The same reason that Ben was the one trying to get Aaron. He wanted everyone to meet at the pier at the same time so they could all go back to the island.
Yes, and he had to leverage everyone's strongest motivation to do that: for Sun, her anger about Jin's death, for Kate her desire to protect Aaron, for Jack his desire to save everyone, and Sayid he has been controlling all long with his desire to kill.
fleung22
Saturday, February 7th, 2009, 7:53 AM
QUOTE (vbnautilus @ Saturday, February 7th, 2009, 6:01 AM)

Yes, and he had to leverage everyone's strongest motivation to do that: for Sun, her anger about Jin's death, for Kate her desire to protect Aaron, for Jack his desire to save everyone, and Sayid he has been controlling all long with his desire to kill.
I think Jack's motivation is to save himself here...and Sayid hasn't actually shown that he 'likes' to kill people. it's always presented as a necessity for the context of the storyline.
jeff_536
Saturday, February 7th, 2009, 8:11 AM
Oh damn, I just had this whole thing typed out about how the outrigger shouldn't have made the jump with the gang while they were paddling because it's from the future, but then I remembered the compass John is holding jumps with him, so I guess being in physical contact with an object will allow it to jump time with you.
And did anyone really not think that was Rousseau on the raft when they started talking in French? I didn't need the big reveal of her name at the end to figure things out. Same with realizing the lawyer was working for Ben so they'd all meet up at the end.
I am enjoying the ride, however.
Theraflu
Saturday, February 7th, 2009, 8:36 AM
QUOTE (jeff_536 @ Saturday, February 7th, 2009, 8:11 AM)

Oh damn, I just had this whole thing typed out about how the outrigger shouldn't have made the jump with the gang while they were paddling because it's from the future, but then I remembered the compass John is holding jumps with him, so I guess being in physical contact with an object will allow it to jump time with you.
And did anyone really not think that was Rousseau on the raft when they started talking in French? I didn't need the big reveal of her name at the end to figure things out. Same with realizing the lawyer was working for Ben so they'd all meet up at the end.
I am enjoying the ride, however.
At this point in the show, I think they're trying to end possible speculation bit-by-bit. They got enough open questions out there, and even though some of this stuff is kind of obvious to even a dullard like myself, I think it's good to not leave any more open-ended possibilities if they don't have to.
I did like how they set up Claire's mother at first, since I've been thinking it was Ben since the storyline was introduced. Threw me off for a bit, then re-confirmed what was getting obvious.
One question I had...Have they ever showed Jack finding out that Claire is his sister? I don't rememeber...but either this week or last week Jack was talking to Kate and he said "Aaron is my family too" or something along those lines, and I was wondering if he knew he was his uncle, or if it was just some broader concept of family, like black people have.
jeff_536
Saturday, February 7th, 2009, 9:17 AM
QUOTE (Theraflu @ Saturday, February 7th, 2009, 11:36 AM)

At this point in the show, I think they're trying to end possible speculation bit-by-bit. They got enough open questions out there, and even though some of this stuff is kind of obvious to even a dullard like myself, I think it's good to not leave any more open-ended possibilities if they don't have to.
I did like how they set up Claire's mother at first, since I've been thinking it was Ben since the storyline was introduced. Threw me off for a bit, then re-confirmed what was getting obvious.
One question I had...Have they ever showed Jack finding out that Claire is his sister? I don't rememeber...but either this week or last week Jack was talking to Kate and he said "Aaron is my family too" or something along those lines, and I was wondering if he knew he was his uncle, or if it was just some broader concept of family, like black people have.
Ya, they did. During the episode where jack finally buried his father, she came up to him at the end, said she had a daughter by Christian and what a coincidence, she was on the plane. Jack asked her name, she said 'Claire'. And he instantly realized Aaron is his nephew.
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