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fleung22
QUOTE (LongLiveYorke @ Friday, May 1st, 2009, 12:44 AM) *
Except I don't think it's going to happen. They're going to end up in the present (2007 or whatever) at the end of the next episode or two. That's my prediction.


Present should be 2010 since they arrived on the island in 2007 and then there was the 3 years passed for all of them.
fleung22
QUOTE (Tactical Bear @ Friday, May 1st, 2009, 2:35 AM) *
Yeah, that's what I was saying above. It seems to make the most sense, at least if we're using coherence with respect to time-travel plots as the critical lens. The Greeks have been pulling this stuff since the 500s BC, when Sophocles was using prophecy and fate to get Oedipus to tragically bone his own moms.

I especially like what the writers did with Farraday's narrowly escaping death at the hands of the Dharmans, only to have him murdered by his own mother, which I thought was cool for two primary reasons:

1) Daniel states that he "got lucky," since the bullet just grazed him. In Ancient Greek art, a common maxim was "no man should be considered fortunate until he is dead." Farraday dies, terribly and alone, when he realizes right before his passing that his own mother sent him knowingly and willfully to his death.

2) It's an interesting reversal of the Oedipal myth. Oedipus was sent away by his father, because Oedipus was fated to murder his father and marry his mother. Daniel was sent BACK to the island by his father, so he could be murdered by his mother.

I usually try to stay away from LOSTian analysis, since I just like to watch and have fun, but this episode was too fascinating, and happened to be right in my mythological wheelhouse.


hmm...I studied roman and greek mythology and never really thought of it that way. I think the lack of warriors and raping/pillaging kind've changes things.

however, stylistically I understand what you're saying. but who knows. I don't get to see previews but I'd imagine we're ready to go back to Locke, present Ben storyline. you'd think that these two parties will meet again somehow.
El Guapo
QUOTE (fleung22 @ Thursday, April 30th, 2009, 11:29 PM) *
Present should be 2010 since they arrived on the island in 2007 and then there was the 3 years passed for all of them.



No, it was 2004
fleung22
QUOTE (El Guapo @ Friday, May 1st, 2009, 2:36 PM) *
No, it was 2004


I stand corrected.

very confusing for me because I went to the future myself. I took flight AC007 and suddenly warped 12-hours ahead!! crazy stuff. true story.
jmbreslin
QUOTE (vbnautilus @ Thursday, April 30th, 2009, 7:02 PM) *
Yeah, good luck getting one of those up to 88 mph.


Crap, you're right. That's a bit of a flaw in the plan.
serge
"Like Fonzie times"

Hurley is awesome
Cappy37
QUOTE (Tactical Bear @ Wednesday, April 29th, 2009, 6:50 PM) *
I just wanted to say I would, in order, do horrible things to the following characters:

1) Penny

2) Juliette



3) Jin's Wife
4) Kate




Also, half the actors aren't even trying anymore.


Agree with both those statements. Matthew Fox seriously looks like he doesnt want to be there anymore (feeling is mutual, I assure you, Matt!).

QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Thursday, April 30th, 2009, 1:44 PM) *
You're all wrong. Jack is going to figure out how to put a flux compasitor into one of the VW buses and then they'll use lightning to generate the 1.21 gigawatts necessary to get them back to the future. Solved.


It would be beyond awesome if they had to tie that back in there.. Like it's something Hurley suggests (cuz Hurley is a man of the people) and they find out in Daniel's notes that was his master plan all along.
Cappy37
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Friday, May 1st, 2009, 8:12 AM) *
Crap, you're right. That's a bit of a flaw in the plan.


there seems to be no shortage of hills and valleys on the island.. *all you need to do is believe!*
troyomac
Am I the only one that thinks Penny is butt-ugly?
ltrainkoja55
QUOTE (troyomac @ Saturday, May 2nd, 2009, 7:53 PM) *
Am I the only one that thinks Penny is butt-ugly?


Troymac--- say it isn't so! you have demonstrated excellent taste in the past. She is very attractive. I haven't even addressed the fact she has an ass on her chest--- love her!
troyomac
QUOTE (ltrainkoja55 @ Saturday, May 2nd, 2009, 7:53 PM) *
Troymac--- say it isn't so! you have demonstrated excellent taste in the past. She is very attractive. I haven't even addressed the fact she has an ass on her chest--- love her!

Dude I'm attracted to ****ing everything. I'd bang Hurley, but Penny is UGGO!
fleung22
QUOTE (Cappy37 @ Sunday, May 3rd, 2009, 9:54 AM) *
Agree with both those statements. Matthew Fox seriously looks like he doesnt want to be there anymore (feeling is mutual, I assure you, Matt!).


But don't you think that may be the state-of-mind of his character? I do wish Jack was more like the leader than the bummed out drunk dude but this could be the lull before he becomes a big part of the story again.
fleung22
QUOTE (troyomac @ Sunday, May 3rd, 2009, 10:53 AM) *
Am I the only one that thinks Penny is butt-ugly?


it may be the fact she is crying half the time. but I disagree...if you ever see her on CSI: NY she is a voluptuous hottie.
fleung22
btw, thought I'd throw this out there.

Loving the actor who plays Sawyer and think he'd do well in other roles as well. heard he was cast for Gambit but something happened so it was a no go. Sawyer would have been SO much better than the actual Gambit who looked kind've ghey IMO.

but I was thinking...if you ever had to replace Jack Bauer in 24 I think Sawyer could pull it off. especially if they killed Jack this season and then went back in time where it followed Jack in some other scenario and introduced Sawyer as some other character. hmm...I should really google to find out Sawyer's real name. and no, I don't mean James.

ltrainkoja55
QUOTE (troyomac @ Saturday, May 2nd, 2009, 11:53 PM) *
Dude I'm attracted to ****ing everything. I'd bang Hurley, but Penny is UGGO!



lol-- too funny but you are just a money whore! You are just after Hugo's lottery money--- gold digger

haven't seen CSI NEW YORK-- anyone have a link? check out hbo's tell me you love me for Penny's "full" body of work! nice-

if anyone needs a lost fix and found a site with lost quizes:

http://www.funtrivia.com/quizzes/televisio...ed_quizzes.html

good time killer
Voldemort
QUOTE (ltrainkoja55 @ Sunday, May 3rd, 2009, 12:11 PM) *
check out hbo's tell me you love me for Penny's "full" body of work! nice-

This is the correct answer......I could not remember the name of that show.
JubilantLankyLad
Ok I just finished watching from the Pilot to Dead Daniel in the past few weeks. How come no one told me how good this show was before now?

QUOTE (runthemover @ Thursday, April 9th, 2009, 7:20 AM) *
If 5 year old Alex had the same power over Ben that dead Alex has

Richard: Ben, you've been pushing her on the swing for two hours now.
Ben: I realize that, Richard.
Richard: There are important things that need your attention.
Ben: THE ISLAND wants me to do this.
Alex: weeeee
Richard:
Ben: Jacob, told me to do it. If you don't like it then go talk to him.
Richard: [walking away/muttering] It was never like this on the Black Rock
Ben: What? Richard: Huh? Ben: What?

LOST

Awesome.
loogie
QUOTE (JubilantLankyLad @ Sunday, May 3rd, 2009, 12:57 PM) *
Ok I just finished watching from the Pilot to Dead Daniel in the past few weeks. How come no one told me how good this show was before now?

I no right? omg!!!!
JubilantLankyLad
QUOTE (loogie @ Sunday, May 3rd, 2009, 1:00 PM) *
I no right? omg!!!!

I'm a little choked, because I was deliberately waiting for the show to finish before watching (or actually even learning anything about it, beyond the fact that an island was involved), and I thought this was the last season. I was most of the way through season 2 when I found out I was a year early.

vbnautilus
QUOTE (troyomac @ Saturday, May 2nd, 2009, 11:53 PM) *
Dude I'm attracted to ****ing everything.


Damn, now I don't feel special anymore.

QUOTE (JubilantLankyLad @ Sunday, May 3rd, 2009, 9:57 AM) *
Ok I just finished watching from the Pilot to Dead Daniel in the past few weeks. How come no one told me how good this show was before now?


That is an impressive amount of television watching, I commend you. And, welcome aboard.
JubilantLankyLad
QUOTE (vbnautilus @ Sunday, May 3rd, 2009, 1:41 PM) *
That is an impressive amount of television watching, I commend you. And, welcome aboard.

I would have been done ages ago if my wife hadn't kept falling asleep.
runthemover
QUOTE (JubilantLankyLad @ Sunday, May 3rd, 2009, 2:44 PM) *
I would have been done ages ago if my wife hadn't kept falling asleep.


you horny devil
conor_mw
ftops an lost , siiiiick night
Speed Limit
Add this young-ish Eloise to the bang list.
LongLiveYorke
What a good episode.

So, here's a question. Is there a monster in the 70's version of the island yet? Do we have confirmation of its existence in the past yet?

I have a feeling that it's going to come up in terms of the Jack/H-bomb situation.
jkalib
My theory (just a gut feeling) - it is the hydrogen bomb that creates the problem at the Swan - it doesn't prevent it. They have to do Faraday's theory to set everything in motion. I also get the sense that Jack has figured this out, based on his comment about trusting Eloise.
ltrainkoja55
QUOTE (Speed Limit @ Wednesday, May 6th, 2009, 5:48 PM) *
Add this young-ish Eloise to the bang list.


yep--- whoever does the casting is a sicko---- Daniel's mother sure is a milf!

It was very intersting during the entire episode that RA, I mean Richard, has no idea what is going on. He was certainly not very knowledgeable for a god or an advisor.

It was pretty funny when he said he was glad that Locke didn't die. He was like me and the show title: LOST!
Mercury69
QUOTE (jkalib @ Thursday, May 7th, 2009, 12:56 AM) *
My theory (just a gut feeling) - it is the hydrogen bomb that creates the problem at the Swan - it doesn't prevent it. They have to do Faraday's theory to set everything in motion. I also get the sense that Jack has figured this out, based on his comment about trusting Eloise.



That definitely sounds plausible.

I just get the sense that Jack is doing things ON PURPOSE for the wrong reasons. For example, why would he trust Eloise just because she gets them back to the island 30 years later? If the "plan" works and none of this "happened", then it wouldn't matter becasue the future would be different.

I also think that the "plan" won't work because they've already been in the future, so it's now their past and I really doubt that, no matter what temporal manipulations occur, whatever happened has happened and you can't erase that. Anyone who thinks they'll end up on the plane landing in LA should go to the back of the class, imo.


As for Richard, I think he doesn't know everything, but he does know a lot more than he's admitting to. He may just be the biggest proponent of destiny on the island.
jmbreslin
QUOTE (Mercury69 @ Thursday, May 7th, 2009, 9:27 AM) *

I also think that the "plan" won't work because they've already been in the future, so it's now their past and I really doubt that, no matter what temporal manipulations occur, whatever happened has happened and you can't erase that. Anyone who thinks they'll end up on the plane landing in LA should go to the back of the class, imo.


I raised this issue in my April 30, 8:26 am post:

"It doesn't make sense. Their present is the 1970's. If they prevent the hatch from being built and prevent the plane from crashing, they're all still going to be stuck on the island in the 1970's. And if they're stuck on the island in the 1970's, they won't be getting on the plane 30 years from now (then) anyway."
El Guapo
I had a feeling that Lock wanted to go and kill Jacob, not sure why. RA's comments to Ben about Lock being more of a problem than he anticipated, were very interesting.

Great episode, it answered a few things and created tons of more questions.
Tactical Bear
If there is a Jakob, it probably ends up being one of the current cast members. Who do we think it is? There might be a clue in the name, but -- if so -- I don't know what it is.

And, yeah, no way they end up fixing stuff. So far, everything that's happened has been consistent with the future from which the 815ers came.
jmbreslin
QUOTE (jkalib @ Thursday, May 7th, 2009, 12:56 AM) *
My theory (just a gut feeling) - it is the hydrogen bomb that creates the problem at the Swan - it doesn't prevent it. They have to do Faraday's theory to set everything in motion. I also get the sense that Jack has figured this out, based on his comment about trusting Eloise.


The one problem with the proposed plan is that nobody would survive the detonation of a hydrogen bomb on the island. The island would be incinerated, along with everyone and everything on it.
jkalib
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Thursday, May 7th, 2009, 9:05 AM) *
The one problem with the proposed plan is that nobody would survive the detonation of a hydrogen bomb on the island. The island would be incinerated, along with everyone and everything on it.


Locke was killed but is still alive.
Tons of people survived a plane crash.
Several of those people are living 30 years in the past.
Richard Alpert hasn't aged in who knows how long.
I'd say the usual rules don't apply.
Piddle Duck
Enjoying it. I don't get into the deep discussions, I just sit back and watch but my biggest question or biggest thing I am curious to know more about is what/who is Richard.
Speed Limit
QUOTE (Tactical Bear @ Thursday, May 7th, 2009, 11:42 AM) *
If there is a Jakob, it probably ends up being one of the current cast members. Who do we think it is? There might be a clue in the name, but -- if so -- I don't know what it is.

And, yeah, no way they end up fixing stuff. So far, everything that's happened has been consistent with the future from which the 815ers came.


I think it's Jack. Let's see, his father AND his sister are in the cabin. Jack-Jacob, kinda iffy but you could say Jack could be phonetically short for Jacob.
jmbreslin
QUOTE (jkalib @ Thursday, May 7th, 2009, 12:58 PM) *
Locke was killed but is still alive.
Tons of people survived a plane crash.
Several of those people are living 30 years in the past.
Richard Alpert hasn't aged in who knows how long.
I'd say the usual rules don't apply.


Point taken.

As for Jacob, I'm thinking he's Richard.
Piddle Duck
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Thursday, May 7th, 2009, 1:37 PM) *
As for Jacob, I'm thinking he's Richard.


That is what I was thinking but then it seemed to obvious. But it would make some sense.
crowTrobot
that was some mega realistic CGI going on there when the sub submerged icon_confused.gif
Mercury69
QUOTE (crowTrobot @ Thursday, May 7th, 2009, 3:15 PM) *
that was some mega realistic CGI going on there when the sub submerged icon_confused.gif


Yeah, funny, that's what I thought also...
crowTrobot
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Thursday, May 7th, 2009, 9:37 AM) *
As for Jacob, I'm thinking he's Richard.



jacob (supposedly) was shown briefly in season 3 episode 20 and it was a different actor.




El Guapo
I am thinking the H-Bomb may have something to do with the Key the Desmond turned in season 3 that blew up the hatch.
Piddle Duck
QUOTE (El Guapo @ Thursday, May 7th, 2009, 3:34 PM) *
I am thinking the H-Bomb may have something to do with the Key the Desmond turned in season 3 that blew up the hatch.



Wouldn't that have killed them all? That is a pretty large bomb. That would not be realistic. Wait...what?
vbnautilus
QUOTE (crowTrobot @ Thursday, May 7th, 2009, 12:34 PM) *
jacob (supposedly) was shown briefly in season 3 episode 20 and it was a different actor.


I thought that was Christian (jack's father) who flashed in the chair where Jacob was supposed to be. It could be him.

looshle
It's pretty obvious nothing is going to be saved, etc. We are just going to get to see how everything came to be and the last pieces of the puzzle.
looshle
Also, I had a bet with a friend from a few weeks ago that they are not going to travel back to the present. After this week we doubled it.

What side do you guys like?
LongLiveYorke
QUOTE (looshle @ Friday, May 8th, 2009, 7:20 AM) *
Also, I had a bet with a friend from a few weeks ago that they are not going to travel back to the present. After this week we doubled it.

What side do you guys like?



I think that they are all going to be reunited in the present;.
looshle
fml

also, i think someone figured the show out

http://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.html
LongLiveYorke
QUOTE (looshle @ Friday, May 8th, 2009, 9:55 AM) *
fml

also, i think someone figured the show out

http://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.html


Interesting, but I don't think it's correct. And he doesn't really address the statue, which I think will become more and more important.
vbnautilus
QUOTE (looshle @ Friday, May 8th, 2009, 6:55 AM) *
fml

also, i think someone figured the show out

http://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.html


I also doesn't address how two sets of people could be at different times on the island simultaneously. That is, if the island is now "in 1970" how can Sun and Ben ben in 2004?
Whiter Sr
QUOTE (LongLiveYorke @ Friday, May 8th, 2009, 6:44 AM) *
I think that they are all going to be reunited in the present;.

What he said.
I think Jin and Jun end up together for sure. Now whether that is the past or present is another question.
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